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| Spain and World Cups; why can't they win one? | |
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| Topic Started: Jun 25 2009, 11:47 PM (105 Views) | |
| AngelicHottieDS | Jun 25 2009, 11:47 PM Post #1 |
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Yes, this discussion has been on my mind for a very long time. It seems Spain always has the most talented group of athletes to come to soccer, yet they can't win a World Cup. Why is that ? What does it take to win a world cup? luck? I want to get some clear cut answers because it has haunted Spain for a long time. It's hard defending Spain when people always accuse them of not having a world cup. So what is the deal? It seems like every time they get close something goes wrong like when South Korea took away 3 goals that were clearly in. So what is it?
Edited by AngelicHottieDS, Jun 25 2009, 11:48 PM.
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| Mitas | Jun 26 2009, 09:21 AM Post #2 |
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Well firstly I wouldn't say they've always had the most talented group of players. This is the first time that their team has the best group of players in the world. In the past they've had good players but other teams have had better groups of players. I think the main reason is that the expectations on them in the past were more than the team could actually achieve. Therefore when they got relativeley far, they were still a dissapointment to the fans who only winning is good enough. But remember that, as simple as it sounds, only one team can win. However the fact that they won the European Championships, coupled with the unbeaten run before it ended, shows that they are now the best team in the World. This will give them the momentum they need, and the self belief, to win the World Cup. |
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| Mc Esse | Jun 27 2009, 12:02 AM Post #3 |
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Prove it. |
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| Kyonko | Jun 27 2009, 12:34 AM Post #4 |
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Topic has gotten off to a bad start, hard to say if you ment to cause a reactiong there  The world cup is heavily fought for, there are many other teams who could arguably have won it because of the skill of the players, but haven't. Examples I can't really give because I lack football knowladge, especilly globally, I can manage European at best. Club football and country football are two diffrent things, in a club, the players have more time to get to know each other, internationally, that is a much slower process and the players are from all diffrent teams, some might have had disputes on feild, which might cause them to under preform on the pitch. Discapline, motivation and moral are all going to be important in an international game, those teams that have the best of those are going to preform better, regardless of individual skill of the players. Small countries like Luxembourg just play for fun I imagin, as they are mostly amature players and don't really have the motivation to win, nor are they too discaplined. All the same, it's always about who preforms on the night, not who looks the best on paper. |
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| Mc Esse | Jun 27 2009, 03:25 AM Post #5 |
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I think that there have been other teams which have also never won the World Cup, yet still have had better stats on paper than Spain, and a better pressence on the field than Spain. It just goes to show that there are many good teams on the FIFA circuit that are capable of winning a world cup, or ending another team's dream of that very same feat. The competition is very fierce. Edited by Mc Esse, Jun 27 2009, 03:39 AM.
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| Mitas | Jun 27 2009, 01:47 PM Post #6 |
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One notorious example and well known throughout football fans; Brazil '82. They were the tournament favourites for the World Cup, and widely considered the best footballing team ever, but they were knocked out by Italy early on. |
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| AngelicHottieDS | Jun 27 2009, 09:06 PM Post #7 |
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You're going to say Spain has not always had talented group of players? Even the announcers of the World Cup have said that Spain has had talented teams that have not won the world cup. I don't need to prove it because it's true. I can name players from the past that were popular. The past few world cups Spain has been cheated, which I can prove it. Even in the 94' world cup when they played Italy they were cheated out of a penalty kick, which I can also prove. |
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| Kyonko | Jun 27 2009, 09:19 PM Post #8 |
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They aren't the most talented team though, I wouldn't say any team is the most talented, skill might play a vital part but it's not the only factor. Besides, when you have so many talented nations, talent just because ones opinion, it is never really fact. Spain are not the best nation in the world, nor is any other nation, I would say Spain are up there with all the other teams which have great players, but it's also about how they play together, no one can judge that until they have played, even then, it changes everyday. Barcalona won the European Cup but that doesn't make them factually the best club in Europe, yes they are good but there are other teams which are just as good but might not have preformed on the day.
They say that about England, well except for the fact England won one in 1966, they do say they have had teams in the world cup capable of winning but didn't. Does that make England the most talented? No.
Yeah, so? That's unlucky that they cheated but it doesn't mean they could have still won. I remember in 2002, the Quater-Finals, England vs Brazil, Brazil cheated. 1986, England vs Argentena, the hand of god incident. Yes, cheating is wrong and it happens but it doesn't mean that team would have gone on to win anyway, Spain isn't the only team to have been cheated against, Italy have been in the past too and France and any other country. I agree that Spain have a lot of talented players but so do a lot of other countries, which means there is no definate most talented team. In a compertion like the World Cup, most of the nations left in the final stages are the most talented nations, except some of the time where some teams play well without the talent on paper. |
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| Mc Esse | Jun 27 2009, 11:13 PM Post #9 |
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Okay so just because the announcer's neglected the stats, it's true? The announcer expressed his opinion, but where are the facts. Show me some stats backing up what you said about Spain always having the most talented athletes bred to play football. Spain has a great team now, but there's no need to overrate them no matter how much of a loyal fan you are. Other than Igor Cassilas, Spain hasn't had a steady goalkeeper, since the 1950's. Spain had always missed something, and I think they fell short on their defense, until the "Puyol era". If you check their World Cup record, don't be surprised to see that Spain's last game of their tournament was a loss in which they allowed 3 or more goals. Which leads me to believe, a good defense is needed to win championships. Edited by Mc Esse, Jun 27 2009, 11:15 PM.
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| Mitas | Jun 28 2009, 12:23 PM Post #10 |
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No, we just disagreed with your statement that Spain have always had the most talented group of players, which is definately not true. Maybe this time round in 2010 that is true, but you could also argue that Brazil, Argentina and England also have a group of imensely talented players. And about being cheated, that happens. There are dozens of examples every season in various competitions, more than that even. It's football, it happens. Spain have almost certainly been the "cheating" side at one point in their history, just like every team in the world, both national and club. |
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| Itagaki Manabu | Jul 3 2009, 11:54 AM Post #11 |
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I think it comes down to both teams and who wants it more, as with the 2 - 0 defeat of spain by USA. USA clearly wanted it more and played very well. It also depends on how well the team works together, like England, if you see each individual player England would easily be in the top 3 but they never seem to work very well together, there are games were the play well but they are lacking team work. |
 
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