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King Kai death; it makes no sence
Topic Started: Jun 24 2009, 01:59 AM (224 Views)
Blacky	Jun 24 2009, 01:59 AM Post #1
Posts: 37 Group: Member Member #4,142 Joined: April 21, 2009 Favourite Anime Dragon ball Z What Browser do you use? Internet Exploreri Favourite Manga Dragon ball Z	king kai was killed when goku brought cell to his planet and he exploded. that much is known. but how come when the z fighters wished back every one who had been killed by cell, King kai did not return. he hadn't died before so logically he should have been revived. give me your thoughts.



*Rebel X*	Jun 24 2009, 02:18 AM Post #2
Posts: 5,543 Group: Shadow Rep Member #88 Joined: January 16, 2005	My thoughts -I think once a Kai dies for real he can't be brought back to life. -The dragons power is not enough to bring back a Kai of a higher rank then the one that made him -He too wanted to stay with Goku in the Other World ( I duobt it'd be much different, he still has the halo over his head just no planet.) -If he was brought back to life he would have no planet to live on (I'm sure this wouldn't be a big issue) -Yes Cell killed them but technically it was Goku who brought and exploding bomb to King Kais Planet. So they might have to wish all those killed by Goku back to life. Which I don't think they would risk. These are just some theories.
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Emperor Cold	Jun 24 2009, 03:52 AM Post #3
Makaioshin Posts: 255 Group: Member Member #3,724 Joined: October 5, 2008 Favourite Anime Dragonball/Z/GT (yes I like GT...imagine that!) Detective Conan, FMA (original), Yu Yu Hakusho Favourite Manga Anything by Akira Toriyama	Rebel X Jun 24 2009, 02:18 AM My thoughts -I think once a Kai dies for real he can't be brought back to life. -The dragons power is not enough to bring back a Kai of a higher rank then the one that made him -He too wanted to stay with Goku in the Other World ( I duobt it'd be much different, he still has the halo over his head just no planet.) -If he was brought back to life he would have no planet to live on (I'm sure this wouldn't be a big issue) -Yes Cell killed them but technically it was Goku who brought and exploding bomb to King Kais Planet. So they might have to wish all those killed by Goku back to life. Which I don't think they would risk. These are just some theories. Kais can be wished back to life, Elder Supreme Kai is living proof of this. And I don't think anyone can refuse being wished back to life. It's not like the dragon asks them, it just happens. Goku never actually refused to be wished back he just told his friends not to bother using the Namekian dragon balls to wish him back. I think your last theory is the most likely. Goku was technically the one who killed him. Cell had no control of his actions at that point, he was nothing more than a bomb. And that would also explain why Bubbles and Gregory didn't come back. Edited by Emperor Cold, Jun 24 2009, 03:53 AM.



*Rebel X*	Jun 24 2009, 06:45 AM Post #4
Posts: 5,543 Group: Shadow Rep Member #88 Joined: January 16, 2005	Emperor Cold Jun 24 2009, 03:52 AM Rebel X Jun 24 2009, 02:18 AM My thoughts -I think once a Kai dies for real he can't be brought back to life. -The dragons power is not enough to bring back a Kai of a higher rank then the one that made him -He too wanted to stay with Goku in the Other World ( I duobt it'd be much different, he still has the halo over his head just no planet.) -If he was brought back to life he would have no planet to live on (I'm sure this wouldn't be a big issue) -Yes Cell killed them but technically it was Goku who brought and exploding bomb to King Kais Planet. So they might have to wish all those killed by Goku back to life. Which I don't think they would risk. These are just some theories. Kais can be wished back to life, Elder Supreme Kai is living proof of this. And I don't think anyone can refuse being wished back to life. It's not like the dragon asks them, it just happens. Goku never actually refused to be wished back he just told his friends not to bother using the Namekian dragon balls to wish him back. I think your last theory is the most likely. Goku was technically the one who killed him. Cell had no control of his actions at that point, he was nothing more than a bomb. And that would also explain why Bubbles and Gregory didn't come back. I know a Kai may be wished backed to life I should edit that out. I meant to elaborate. But I'm saying that it may not be in Shenrons power to bring a Kai of higher rank, like King Kai, back. I don't really know what you mean by Elder Supreme Kai being proof of that? I think the dragon does ask because after the defeat of Frieza Goku was on another planet. When Bulma asked Shenron to bring him back to Earth the dragon says that Goku doesn't want to be brought back to Earth but he'll come later. So I think in a way he might communicate or read the persons feelings or something to confirm the wish. As for gregory and bubbles. Well they're most likely to stay with King Kai no matter what.
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SSJVegito	Jun 24 2009, 10:54 AM Post #5
Ally to good. Nightmare to you. Posts: 435 Group: Member Member #3,979 Joined: February 11, 2009 Favourite Anime Neon Genesis Evangelion. Dragonball Z. Rurouni Kenshin. What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Neon Genesis Evangelion. Dragonball/Z. FMA.	Rebel X Jun 24 2009, 06:45 AM I don't really know what you mean by Elder Supreme Kai being proof of that? Elder Kai was brought back to life, after giving what was left of his life force to Goku, by Porunga the Namekian dragon. Surely a Supreme Kai is of a higher rank/power than anyone who created the Dragonballs. I think that's what he was getting at.



*Rebel X*	Jun 24 2009, 12:18 PM Post #6
Posts: 5,543 Group: Shadow Rep Member #88 Joined: January 16, 2005	Oh okay, I remember now. Your right, Porunga has way more power than Shenron. Alrighty well scratch the first concept then lol. leaving the last 3 for me.
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Graffiti	Jun 24 2009, 01:37 PM Post #7
Übergod Posts: 2,122 Group: Member Member #204 Joined: February 21, 2005 Favourite Anime Hellsing What Browser do you use? I.E Favourite Manga Hack / Slash	King Kai makes a one-time appearance in DBGT in the first or second or third episode when Android 17 & Artificial 17 open the gates betweem Hell and Earth, of the Super 17 Saga. He appears not to have the halo on him, meaning that appears to have been brought back to life, I'd say in between the end of the DBZ (Kid Buu Saga), and the beginning of DBGT (Black Star Dragonballs Saga). So yes, King Kai was brought back to life. He does get his planet back aswell. Edited by Graffiti, Jun 24 2009, 01:42 PM.
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Fused	Jun 24 2009, 02:00 PM Post #8
That Videl maniac Posts: 424 Group: Donator Member #4,028 Joined: March 14, 2009 Favourite Anime DB/DBZ, Bleach, Elfen Lied and Gundam Wing What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga DB	Or maybe the writers forgot he was dead
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BattleMetal	Jun 24 2009, 09:35 PM Post #9
Posts: 467 Group: Member Member #3,821 Joined: November 24, 2008	Watch that episode again or read the manga. Its the same for both. Goku says that King Kai will will stay with him in the after-life, king-kai forfeits his life to help/travel/train with Goku in the afterlife. Im pretty sure this is what happens. Id ignore anything GT does, that show was terrible and had problems with consistencies. If what your saying is true with King-Kai coming back and have his planet then that shows how bad the GT creators where.



*Rebel X*	Jun 24 2009, 10:08 PM Post #10
Posts: 5,543 Group: Shadow Rep Member #88 Joined: January 16, 2005	Alrighty here's a little bit more detailed answer on what happened and why the last 3 theories i mentioned before could still be valid. After watching some filler and GT which has been brought up and it's really all I had to work with, I've come to a conclusion. Firstly, BattleMetal has pointed out the same thing as me, that King kai wanted to stay in after life. If you remember druing that time period they had an Other World torny. In this torny West kai and North kai(the "dead" King kai) had a wager. Whoever wins in the torny gets the others planet. King kai had nothing to lose but something to gain. Goku beat Pikkon even though technically it was a tie. So King Kai either got a planet of his own later on or he got West kais planet. I think king Kai stayed with Goku and helped him train during all of DBZ. In GT he most likely left and went to his planet. Graffiti King Kai makes a one-time appearance in DBGT in the first or second or third episode when Android 17 & Artificial 17 open the gates betweem Hell and Earth, of the Super 17 Saga. He appears not to have the halo on him, meaning that appears to have been brought back to life This is false because in the Android saga he does appear, but he does have a Halo, and so do Bubbles and Gregory. Scene From King Kai's planet, DBGT, SUPER 17 SAGA Notice, Halos And just to show they had no halos when we first see them, This is a scene from Dragonball Kai Episode 8 Notice, No Halo
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Emperor Cold	Jun 25 2009, 05:11 AM Post #11
Makaioshin Posts: 255 Group: Member Member #3,724 Joined: October 5, 2008 Favourite Anime Dragonball/Z/GT (yes I like GT...imagine that!) Detective Conan, FMA (original), Yu Yu Hakusho Favourite Manga Anything by Akira Toriyama	But King Kai could've stayed in the afterlife whether he was dead or alive. Either way he would've had to go to the Grand Kai's planet until he could get a new planet. And I don't think he got West Kai's; the wager depended on one of them winning the tournament, and since they were both disqualified, West Kai would feel no obligation to follow through on his end of the bet. I think it's more likely that a new planet was constructed for him by whoever is in charge of that kind of stuff in the heavenly bureaucracy. It just took until mid-GT to finish it (I'm pretty sure he was still on the Grand Kai's planet when he appeared at the beginning). I still think the "Goku killed him, not Cell" theory is the most valid.



Psyam	Jun 29 2009, 03:06 PM Post #12
Posts: 1,193 Group: Super Moderator Member #3,439 Joined: May 18, 2008 Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Firefox	I agree with Emperor Cold as that being the most likely theory. Cell had no way to stop the explosion, he was too far gone. At that point he became helpless, and him being taken to King Kai's planet was no fault of his own. He could not stop the explosion at that point, and it was never Cell's intent to kill King Kai. Goku, however, willingly brought the helpless bomb that was Cell to King Kai's planet. I think for that reason, the death would of been on Goku's hands, as without him it wouldn't of happened, and Cell could do nothing to stop the events.



Blacky	Aug 12 2009, 02:10 AM Post #13
Posts: 37 Group: Member Member #4,142 Joined: April 21, 2009 Favourite Anime Dragon ball Z What Browser do you use? Internet Exploreri Favourite Manga Dragon ball Z	but cell kill king kai i doesn't matter if he wanted to or not.



*Rebel X*	Aug 12 2009, 05:58 AM Post #14
Posts: 5,543 Group: Shadow Rep Member #88 Joined: January 16, 2005	Blacky Aug 12 2009, 02:10 AM but cell kill king kai i doesn't matter if he wanted to or not. Not the point, forget the scenario on why King Kai died and you get: Just like Goku made the CHOICE to stay in the Other World, so did King Kai. It's just that simple now
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