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Tyson VS Bruce Lee
Topic Started: Jun 14 2009, 03:04 AM (5,176 Views)
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Mc Esse
Jul 1 2009, 05:43 PM
Now you're just making it seem as though he's immortal, when clearly he was not even undefeated in his career. Can you say; Overrating?
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You make it hard to imagine that Tyson is going to stand there and wait for an already risky, uncertain take down attempt.

And another thing, don't compare a jab to a takedown. A takedown can be executed on 360 angles. A jab can only go straight.



If you watch any type of MMA sport, you know that a jab landing is FAR more likely than a successful take down.

"Now you're just making it seem as though he's immortal, when clearly he was not even undefeated in his career."

I also forgot to mention that Mike Tyson isn't the only boxer that could kill Bruce Lee with their bare hands. In fact, the list is humongous.
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If you watch any type of MMA sport, you know that a jab landing is FAR more likely than a successful take down.

That's why I mentionned earlier that in an MMA type of sport combat Tyson would kill Bruce... WEIGHT DIVISIONS, that's why they exist!

If they fight outside a bar Bruce would easily pin him.
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Jul 1 2009, 06:16 PM
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If you watch any type of MMA sport, you know that a jab landing is FAR more likely than a successful take down.

That's why I mentionned earlier that in an MMA type of sport combat Tyson would kill Bruce... WEIGHT DIVISIONS, that's why they exist!

If they fight outside a bar Bruce would easily pin him.
You officially have lost in my book. MMA might as well be a street fight with less punching power, no knees, no groin shots, and no eye gouging. If anything Lee actually stands -more- of a chance than less, due to the slight reducing of Tyson's murderer power punching.

This can either be looked at as an MMA match up comparison, or a street fight. They're so similar that I hardly think there's a difference in the victor's success.

It's funny how you forfeit defending Lee in an MMA fight, but not a street fight when you mention "weight class." It's as though Mike's weight advantage is only present if the fight were MMA rules.
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Jul 1 2009, 01:00 PM
that's exactly what I meant.. If you don't mind me asking, as an experienced Martial Artist, don't you ever use or hear that lingo?
Ummm... when did I claim to be an experienced martial artist? Or even mention my martial arts experience?

And no one says "underground", lmao. It's on the ground, or on the mat.

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Jul 1 2009, 06:52 AM
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I can just as easily say, "Well what if Tyson's recorded spine breaking 1800 lbs of force connected with little Lee's skull?"

Nope. Being an experienced martial artist, Bruce Lee knows ways of disarming a larger person who prefers standing up and trading punches.
Right there.

Some people thought you were talking about yourself.
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Brian, for the most part your posts have said that tyson would win only because he has 70 lbs on lee. And you say were bigots because we think lee even stands a chance. I'm not going to speak for anyone else, but I have been stating facts every post i do, and mention that tyson is one of the best in boxing. all you have been doing is saying over and over, one punch, tyson has more weight, lee is dead. But after the 3rd time, that has no reasoning behind it. You say that tyson would kill him because of his power, but lee does his 1 in punch and it has half( thats an understatment) of tysons power. So how do you think he would stand against an actual punch to the chest or head from him. It would be full power. Tyson was fast, but when lee was doing his movies, they had to use special film in order to be able to do it in slow mo, because he was so fast. It was said, that if he actually tried, and kept boxing, he could of easily been top 3 in his weight class. Now your going to say possibly, but tyson isn't in his weight class, therefore he would murder him. If that is so true, then like I said before, tyson would lose to someone that is 400lbs, right? wrong, because weight doesn't always make or break the fight, if your a skilled fighter. Lee is so well known, because he is such a legendary fighter. Just like tyson is one of the top boxers. You keep calling everyone bigots because they believe lee would win, even though most have also said that tyson is top at what he does. But you never once said anything good about lee, just about tyson.
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Ummm... when did I claim to be an experienced martial artist? Or even mention my martial arts experience?

Oh I misread what you said, haha. Kotetsu got it in his latest post..

lol@ Brian;
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MMA might as well be a street fight

I'll remeber that next time I get into a rumble in a backalley. First thing I'll do is call my friend and tell him to arbitrate the brawl. No knees, no eye gauging, no fish hooking, and no shots below the belt.

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It's as though Mike's weight advantage is only present if the fight were MMA rules.

Of course, take into account the rules in a UFC match. The restrictions make in impossible for Tiny Tom to outlast Shrek. In a street fight all Lee has to do is pound 130 lbs of asian powerhouse onto Mike's lower body (which is a BIG and VULNERABLE target) and the fight is over.

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And no one says "underground", lmao. It's on the ground, or on the mat.

I guess It's time for me to stop using that slang.
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Jul 2 2009, 04:23 AM
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Ummm... when did I claim to be an experienced martial artist? Or even mention my martial arts experience?

Oh I misread what you said, haha. Kotetsu got it in his latest post..

lol@ Brian;
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MMA might as well be a street fight

I'll remeber that next time I get into a rumble in a backalley. First thing I'll do is call my friend and tell him to arbitrate the brawl. No knees, no eye gauging, no fish hooking, and no shots below the belt.

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It's as though Mike's weight advantage is only present if the fight were MMA rules.

Of course, take into account the rules in a UFC match. The restrictions make in impossible for Tiny Tom to outlast Shrek. In a street fight all Lee has to do is pound 130 lbs of asian powerhouse onto Mike's lower body (which is a BIG and VULNERABLE target) and the fight is over.

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And no one says "underground", lmao. It's on the ground, or on the mat.

I guess It's time for me to stop using that slang.
Um. I disagree with all of that, to sum it up. Oh, and stop saying "lol@ Brian." It's immature, and it's starting to piss me off.

"First thing I'll do is call my friend and tell him to arbitrate the brawl. No knees, no eye gauging, no fish hooking, and no shots below the belt."

If you think fish hooking and nut shots are going to be the difference maker between these two gods of violence, you're so full of ***** your eyes are brown. Getting fish hooked would be a lot better than getting your skull literally fractured.

"Mike's lower body (which is a BIG and VULNERABLE target)."

Uh, what? He's been hit in the stomach thousands and thousands of times. You prove consistently that you're uneducated on the topic. His conditioning was top notch, forging, hardening, as all world class boxers' conditioning is. It's funny how Bruce Lee's lower body isn't a "BIG and VULNERABLE" target to a guy that delivers a concentrated car crash at will.

Keep going. I love talking about things I know a lot about, especially with people who think they do too.


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All I have to say is one night, I have no doubt in my mind that my cousin weights more than 70 pounds than me, yet I beat him up easily. What happened there? I mean he should have killed me having more than 70 pounds over me. Also Brian please stop acting like everyone is dumb because they say Bruce Lee would win in a non boxing match it's really offensive.

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Jul 3 2009, 12:15 AM
you're so full of ***** your eyes are brown
My eyes ARE brown. :@
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Lee was mentioned as the three kick wonder. Because after three kicks you were usually down for the count. Or worse. I believe both of these guys have their signature killer moves, yet one just seems to have a lot more different skills under his belt than the other. I believe it comes down to who has the most skills.

Besides the fact this entire argument is completely arbitrary. Brian you keep mentioning that all it would take is one direct hit from tyson and the fight would be over. While that may be true, you can't be sure. The relativity of the matter, and the uncertainty of EVERY fight ever encountered can speak against you on a whim in that regard.



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Jul 3 2009, 12:23 AM
All I have to say is one night, I have no doubt in my mind that my cousin weights more than 70 pounds than me, yet I beat him up easily. What happened there? I mean he should have killed me having more than 70 pounds over me.
I'll bet you five dollars your brother isn't Mike Tyson. No, I'll bet you -ten-, even. Ten dollars.

"yet one just seems to have a lot more different skills under his belt than the other"

Yeah, and the other has a 70 lb weight advantage, world class heavyweight chin, and 1800 lbs of power under his belt. Boxing is solid enough to use as a primary fighting style against just about anything when you have the type of conditioning a world class boxer has.

"The relativity of the matter, and the uncertainty of EVERY fight ever encountered can speak against you on a whim in that regard."

This is a match up. We have debated 5 pages of Mike VS Lee. We're talking about the most likely outcome, no lucky shots. Imagine the two fighting in 10,000 fights, and picture the winner by percentage. That one hit kill shot would win Tyson a ton of those fights. Why wouldn't it? It's just how fast and hard he punches.

"I believe it comes down to who has the most skills."

And clearly, they are both undeniably skilled. Probably to the point at which they are matched equally in what they do, as fighters. So then you must look at the other aspects that would determine this outcome. Size(and strength), speed, endurance, and so on.

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Boxing is solid enough to use as a primary fighting style against just about anything when you have the type of conditioning a world class boxer has.

Yeah but Bruce Lee isn't just about anything.

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no lucky shots

Ok, so stop assuming Tyson is going to land the first kill shot for, what is it you said?

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That one hit kill shot would win Tyson a ton of those fights.

And it's just how hard and fast he punches, but this ain't a boxing match is it!? Maybe if Mike Tyson fights me in a street fight he might win, I'll give him credit for his fast and hard hits, compared to my decent skills. Maybe I might win? All it takes is a kick from my leg to his balls and that guy is rolling. But all out, in the streets Bruce Lee would kill Tyson with a quick flexed kick to the head, or a quick leglock. Easily breaking through the weak barriers of Tyson's unskilled and vulnerable lower body

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He's been hit in the stomach thousands and thousands of times.

I never doubted his abdominals did I, don't put words in my post. I hate when people do that. It's a big confusion, then I have to go back, and pick apart what I didn't say and what you said.. it's a big headache, just don't do that. Not once did I mention Mike's tummy.

vantage point # 83: Bruce is shorter than Tyson, on the streets all he's gotta do is eye gauge Tyson, and with his skilled foot work and shifting, a straight knee into the groin. Considering the amount of knee skills, long ranged footwork, and speed, Lee wpuld have already kicked Tyson's head into the streets by the time you finished reading this sentence.

And please for the love of Evander Holyfield, don't compare a boxers footwork to a mixed martial artist's footwork!

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Keep going. I love talking about things I know a lot about, especially with people who think they do too.

Because apparently you're implying that boxers get shots to the legs, and that Mixed Martial Arts is the same thing as fighting on the street.

Pure Genius.

Oh and, the ifs, maybes, buts, whats; for Bruce's case are because Bruce can do just about more than just one vandage point to get around the goliath and defeat him. All little big Mike can do is "1 PUNCH 1 PUNCH 1 PUNCH"

Which is why hell mop the floor with Bruce at Boxing but will get put through the streets in an actual fight.
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Brian its not my brother its my cousin. Ok so hes not Mike tyson and Im not Bruce lee so it seems to be a fair comparison when you think about it :/

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Not really Zero, chances are neither of you know how to fight and dont have much ability or will to. You wouldnt have been too serious or your relative didnt really want to hurt you.
In Lee and Tysons case both are more than willing and confident in their own abilities to hurt people, better than most men even at the top of their game.

I came close to making your point myself, Zero, but then i realised that it would be pointless as im not Mike Tyson and nor am i fighting someone like Bruce Lee.
Im a boxer and i can take out guys bigger than me, but if they are trained and have an idea of what they are doing regardless of how strong or fit i am or how much i can move eventually the bigger man is going to win.

As Brian said these two are at the top of their game and would come down to factors like size, speed, muscle and endurance.
Tyson could take Lee out, ive seen it in fights whereby a smaller fighter has rained down constnt accurate blows on the bigger man, outworking him, controlling the fight, avoiding being hit then -BAM- one hit and the wee man is done. Its a sickening thing to see when you know the wee man is more skilled and a better fighter but still gets ko'd.

This could happen to Lee however he does have methods to avoid this or change the fight in his favour but it is a big ask. Mind you with Lees explosive power he could put Tyson off if he lands accurate power shots on certain points on the body.

Tyson isnt just some ordinary Heavyweight boxer either, he wasnt your usual slow, cumbersome long reach fighter, he was a rapid, fast heavywight punching wrecking machine with tight accurate punches.

As ive said before their are things going for either fighter. I like to favour either to win.
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