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| Pookie | Jun 15 2009, 12:42 AM Post #16 |
Pookie Powa!
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I have to agree. Bruce Lee doesn't need to be bigger to beat Mike Tyson. Bruce Lee knows where all the pressure points of the body are. It doesn't take much to disable a human. Don't mistake Bruce Lee's size for weakness. He can pack a mean punch. Not to mention Bruce Lee is probably a smarter fighter knowing where all the weaknesses of a human are. His style of fighting was designed to help smaller opponents be able to dish it out against bigger ones. If you watched the Bruce Lee movie, he went up against american footballers and wooped them. They were big too, but it didn't matter. |
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Jun 15 2009, 12:55 AM Post #17 |
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lol I think it is absolutely hilarious that you all think the weight difference doesn't matter here. It's as if you completely, entirely, overlook the fact of why weight classes are necessary. I also got a laugh out of the "pressure point" comments. You've all been watching way too many action flick movies. Bruce Lee movies, probably. Hahahahaha. I still undoubtedly think this is a gruesome massacre that almost hurts to visualize. Tyson is invincible against this little Hollywood ballet dancer. |
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| BattleMetal | Jun 15 2009, 08:17 PM Post #18 |
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Im with Brian when i read the Angel and Hidan comments i laughed. You people dont know much about fighting, especially not in this case. Stamp on his neck, pushing/ holding pressure points when someones coming at you fast and hard? What comics you reading? Dont know how you can say Lee is smarter, on what grounds, Tyson is equally as smart when it comes to combat, like Lee he knows how to destroy a man, what hurts, where and how much. All boxers do. Plus it was a movie against actors not men who are trained to knock a people out. Tyson had the will to do so, he enjoyed hurting and destroying people in his prime. Tyson could win this if he lands a punch. he can throw 4 in a second (very fast for a heavyweight) BUT thats on the grounds Lee lets Tyson land a blow would Tyson win, he does Lee is finished. Lee however does have methods to avoid this and keep the fight on his terms as long as he doesnt get careless. My argument is to say how Lee could win and that it is possible. I have a lot of respect for both fighters, Lee grew up fighting on the streets as a kid so isnt some pretend martial artist that acts in films. Tyson grew up in a rough neighbourhood and learned to fight hard from a young age. And trained to be the best boxing wrecking machine the world had seen in a long time. It kind of like pitting a bear against a poisonous snake really in this case. Both have things going for them. Fights are unpredictable, this one should go in the way of Tyson but it is possible for Lee to win too. Edited by BattleMetal, Jun 15 2009, 09:32 PM.
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| SSJVegito | Jun 15 2009, 09:00 PM Post #19 |
Ally to good. Nightmare to you.
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Jet Li. He wins. ha. |
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| BattleMetal | Jun 15 2009, 09:29 PM Post #20 |
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 Hahaha. Matey that doesnt count hes not even in the fight. Theyd knock him out first then go for each other. Be like a warm up slap fest. 
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| * Light | Jun 15 2009, 09:44 PM Post #21 |
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I may have overlooked this, but are there any rules? A lot of fights that happen outside a supervised area tend to be completely different to a supervised one. A lot of fights end up on the ground, eyes being gouged and 'sensitive' areas being punched/kicked/grabbed. All of these things could easily influence a fight. I have more input, but i want to know if this is a fight in a ring, or a back alley. |
 
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Jun 16 2009, 04:13 AM Post #22 |
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Well, let's say, pro MMA rules. Anything goes except for low blows, eye pokes, and knees. ...and biting.  The most powerful boxers can record up to 1800 lbs of force in their punching power. That's enough to fracture skull and rearrange vertebra. When I said Lee was in sudden death mode, I wasn't kidding or exaggerating. On second thought, I'm going to have to thoroughly say Tyson wouldn't win against Lee by himself. ANY world class heavyweight boxer stands a chance against Lee. With these types of statistics, skill becomes much less of a factor. Lee is in a handicap match for his life here. If you think size isn't a factor in this... ha, wow. Edited by Dark, Jun 16 2009, 04:35 AM.
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| SSJVegito | Jun 16 2009, 04:49 AM Post #23 |
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Ally to good. Nightmare to you.
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The difference being that martial artists are trained to defend against almost ANY kind of attack whether they have to block it or dodge all together. Not just some other guy taking jabs at you in the ring. Also they're trained to exploit weak points on the body rather than just pummel anything they can. Really it doesn't matter how fast Tyson's punch is if his opponent overall is much faster. Lee was fast and not just his attacks. |
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Jun 16 2009, 05:19 AM Post #24 |
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It's so simple. I mean, I have no idea what makes you say that about one side, but not the other. Oh well I guess. |
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| + Green | Jun 16 2009, 01:58 PM Post #25 |
Flashy Thing!
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I have to agree that people here seem to be avoiding this huge weight difference and considering it something negligible. One thing i've learned about boxers (since my dad boxed when he was younger) is that they have great pain tolerance, so they'll take hits a lot easier than someone using the martial arts the bruce lee uses. Back when i was doing ti quan do my dad told me to hit him as hard as i could and i did, right in the gut and he took the hit without even moving, it was amazing. Other people in my class tried to hit him as well and still nothing and my dad wasn't even a pro imagine what kinds of hits a pro boxer can take. (that was when i was 16, i'm now 18 and stronger and still can't hurt him) I know that martial artiest have their own way of enduring a hit, what i learned was to empty my lungs as fast as possible right before i got hit. It does help reduce the pain from the hit and allow a quicker recovery but compared to a boxer who when hit in the body needs just about no recovery time can either take multiple hits or take a hit then counter with a hit. About speed, i'm not sure if bruce lee should be considered "faster". I think at the beginning of the fight i believe he'll be faster than tyson but moving fast can make a person tired very fast. Lee's muscles are small compared to Tyson's, so not only can tyson's muscles possibly produce more speed they can continue to move at a high speed for a longer time than Lee's. Right now it seems like Tyson would win this easily but Lee also has knowledge on weak points of the human body(like someone else also said). His knowledge can easily give him the win. A few hits to the shoulder would slow Tyson down allowing bruce to get more hits in. If they were fighting to the death then if bruce gets a hit to the correct stop on the chest(i'm not giving the exact location) he could cause tyson's hart to skip a beat or stop for a few seconds and having your hart do something like that during a fight would be fatal. So i'm gonna say that if they are just sparing Tyson would win but if they were fighting to the death Lee would have the advantage. |
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Jun 16 2009, 08:03 PM Post #26 |
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"One thing i've learned about boxers (since my dad boxed when he was younger) is that they have great pain tolerance" "I think at the beginning of the fight i believe he'll be faster than tyson but moving fast can make a person tired very fast." I know the points you made are in Tyson's favor here, but these things are almost irrelevant, due to the fact that this thing is not going to last long at all. If Lee doesn't pull out the movie magic one hit exploding heart technique, he's parallel to the ground. "Lee's muscles are small compared to Tyson's, so not only can tyson's muscles possibly produce more speed they can continue to move at a high speed for a longer time than Lee's." I disagree with this. While Tyson's speed is phenomenal, the mass of his arms are at least twice the size of Lee's. More mass = slower than less mass. I rest my case on the facts given previously. This isn't the movies, so it's a no contest debate. Like him or hate the filthy scum bag, I've accepted that Tyson could annihilate Bruce Lee in their "prime." |
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| Trickster | Jun 16 2009, 08:20 PM Post #27 |
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You have to think about it though, size does matter most of the time, but bruce lee had hidden power that he probibly never even had to show. Like at one point, to show people his abilitys, he stretched out his arm, and had a guy stand at his hand, touching it. all bruce lee did was push forward, and the guy literally flew across the room. that right there shows that even though he was small, he was way stronger than most of the big guys out there, and that shows it. It doesn't matter how big you are. I have seen plenty of big guys go down fast by little guys, all because they thought they were better, and the other guy was weak. Lee was one of the greatest fighters, because he was able to condition his mind, somehow surpassing what keeps most people from reaching there full potential. He was able to do a lot more than what others could think of. Edited by Trickster, Jun 16 2009, 08:40 PM.
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| Mc Esse | Jun 16 2009, 11:30 PM Post #28 |
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Brian, and I direct this at you for obvious reasons. Let me make this ludacris debate understandable to the uninformed posters, because I have reason to believe you know a thing or two about fighting. In a pro MMA based rule system Tyson would send Lee to the "next dimension" He's got twice the size; twice the arm's reach and twice the weight. But then again, it is just nonsense that you even started this argument if you want to judge your solution based on a combate sport. Bruce Lee weighed 130 lbs (barley) Tyson is, correct me if I'm wrong, close to 220. almost twice the size of little Bruce! Maybe, just maybe I'd have to give the match to Bruce, If he should ever send Tyson underground and lock him, but that is a big if considering Tyson's speed, and arm's length. The arm's length alone for Mike Tyson, would easily intercept most of Bruce Lee's arsenal. end of story. Which leads me to my point. That's the reason they make weight divisions in combat sport. |
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Jun 17 2009, 04:39 AM Post #29 |
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That's, uh, wrong. The proof is reality, physics. Common sense should tell you that a man's power comes from his full size. A boxer learns to use his entire being behind the power of his punches. This is not 130 lbs of force behind a punch, this is a whopping 210 lbs of force behind an unnaturally powerful puncher. If size doesn't matter, why can Mike Tyson generate 1,800 lbs of skull splitting force? If size doesn't matter, why doesn't a 10 year old fight back against his father when he gets his ***** busted? "Lee was one of the greatest fighters, because he was able to condition his mind, somehow surpassing what keeps most people from reaching there full potential." I love how Mike Tyson is completely overlooked as though he's just a casual person. It's as if Mike Tyson was not supernatural, but Bruce Lee was through everybody's eyes. Mc Esse, yes I know a lot about "fighting." (as a sport) If you do too, then you clearly see my side of this. |
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| Trickster | Jun 17 2009, 05:52 PM Post #30 |
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First I will answer the 2 questions. Tyson can generate that much force because that is his job. He is made to smash heads in. Even the smallest boxer out there, is more powerful than most regular people. Because thats what they do, they train to be like that. The 10 year old kid doesn't fight back because he is scared *****less. When you were 10, did you ever have the balls to fight against an adult, probibly not. Kids arn't ment to fight, there ment to play and have a life. Now to this fight. I have never said that tyson is a nobody. In my first post, I said that both are masters at there own games. I also said that tyson would win no problem if it was up close hit for hit. But thats not how lee would do it, he would keep backtracking and lead him around til he had a chance to hit. Most people on here have said the same thing, that both are good, but lee is better because of his way of fighting. Tyson has boxing, lee has that, plus many many more styles. he has so many, because when he faces a new fighter, he wanted to be ready for what they did. Your argument is for the most part based around tyson having more weight on him than lee. So does that mean that a 500 lb guy can beat tyson, because he has more weight on him? No, because weight doesn't always matter if you know how to fight and defend against most fighters, like lee did. Here is some of his feats that came from an autobiography of him. They show that he has the strength and speed. Lee's striking speed from three feet with his hands down by his side reached five hundredths of a second. Lee's combat movements were at times too fast to be captured on film at 24 frames per second, so many scenes were shot in 32 frame per second to put Lee in slow motion. In a speed demonstration, Lee could snatch a dime off a person's open palm before they could close it, and leave a penny behind. Lee could throw grains of rice up into the air and then catch them in mid-flight using chopsticks. Lee performed one-hand push-ups using only the thumb and index finger. In a move that has been dubbed "Dragon Flag", Lee could perform leg lifts with only his shoulder blades resting on the edge of a bench and suspend his legs and torso horizontal midair And also, to this day, he is still thought of to be one of the greatest fighters out there. Like i said, tyson is good, but I personally think that lee has the strength and speed needed to beat him, even though he is so small. |
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