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Who is the Most Powerful person in the Dragonball Z Universe?; *No Movies
Topic Started: Jun 6 2009, 10:28 PM (157,418 Views)
+ Pyrus Oct 18 2011, 08:25 PM Post #346
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My list was exclusively from the anime, I've never looked at the manga.

A lot of that did clear up some stuff, but in the anime I disregarded a lot of what ifs that the characters said. For instance, Goku says that he couldn't beat the Fat Buu, then later states that he could have beaten him when he's about to fight Kid Buu. Then he says that he could have beaten Kid Buu if he had 1 minute to recuperate? All of that is nonsense because everything contradicts itself.

The thing is, if a statement isn't contradicted, it remains true. When Goku first said he probably couldn't have beaten Fat Boo, we couldn't rightfully say he was lying until later when he admitted he lied. The same goes for Kid Boo. If after the battle he said he probably couldn't have really beaten Kid Boo if he'd charged up his chi, then we could rightfully doubt him. But since nothing contradicted his statement, it's true.
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And from the manga power level post I just read, it's not free of contradiction either. Goku makes some of the same contradictory statements he did in the anime. Goku not trying to beat the Fat Majin Buu on purpose is ridiculous, he wanted Gohan and the boys at a chance of saving the world? Not sure if he said that exact same thing in the manga, but he implied if he said that he could have beat Fat Buu in the manga also. Gohan already saved the world from Cell, he doesn't need to prove himself again and the boys are too young.

He just says he wanted the younger generation to save the earth because he wouldn't always be around. He only had 1 day so he had to make an effort then or never.
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Vegita wouldn't have fought if Buu showed that his power level was higher than Super Saiyan 2? That's not right, considering this is the same guy who let Cell attain his perfect form just so he could fight him. You can't make assumptions like that with Vegita. He would fought no matter what.

No, he wouldn't. He let Cell attain his perfect form because he was cocky and didn't think Cell would actually power up so much. If Vegeta would fight no matter what, he would've fought Gohan-Boo, but he didn't.
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Anyways it seems that both the anime and manga are both contradictory so there isn't a set power level. Turn your brain off before you watch and enjoy it.

The anime is the only thing that contradicts itself. The manga really doesn't. Fans just say that so they can continue relying on the anime so Goku and Kid Boo are the strongest. If you don't believe me, check this out.

SSjin Vegetto > Kid Boo > SSjin 3 Goku > Gohan-Boo > Gotenks-Boo > SSjin Goku > Ultimate Gohan > SSjin Vegeta > SSjin 3 Gotenks >/< Super Boo > SSjin 3 Goku > Kid Boo > Fat Boo > Skinny Boo > Good Boo >/< SSjin 2 Goku/Vegeta

That's basically what you get when you take the anime's statements and actions. Even if you didn't include filler (like SSjin Goku vs Ultimate Gohan), you'd still have Goku stating Super Boo is stronger than him, but then fighting almost evenly with Kid Boo who's stated to be the strongest Boo of all. It's one big contradiction on Toei's part.
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twitchy Oct 19 2011, 02:47 AM Post #347
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Well I disregarded Goku's statements altogether so I guess that's why my opinion didn't seem contradictory. I just have a hard time believing just because Goku says something it makes it true especially when he lied to Piccolo about being able to beat Fat Buu.

Vegita did fight Super Buu (Gohan), he attacked him and realized he couldn't win and I don't think you even believe what your saying about the Goku letting the young fighters have a chance to save the world. If this wasn't in the manga, then disregard it but I still stand by my previous statement. What was it like in the Manga, was there an Uub at the end? If it's the same as as the anime, Uub was just almost as strong as a Super Saiyan 3, why would Goku exclusively train him when Goten, Trunks had the potential to become just as strong? Not to mention Gohan who's stronger than everyone. Saving the world is extremely important to Goku, he wouldn't just say "ahh well Gohan has his educational future to worry about".
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Mihawk Oct 19 2011, 02:55 AM Post #348
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 He wouldn't say that but chichi would. He's not gonna get lucky so many times with her. Also, he reflected himself in kid buu's fighting skill so he thought it would be great. He realizes that Gohan and Goten don't have the same perseverance in fighting as he did. But most importantly it was a fun experience for a saiyan like him. But since when has this thread turned into a contradict the manga thread? lol.

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Doggo Champion 2k17 Oct 19 2011, 03:01 AM Post #349
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If it were me, I'd put Full-powered Cell above SSJ2 Teen Gohan, but that's just me... -_-

And I also don't get why adult Gohan is so underrated.
1. cell is listed as weaker than gohan because he IS weaker than gohan. even seruphim would admit that much. cell got his butt handed to him by gohan, therefore he's weaker than gohan.

2. "adult" gohan is the 2nd most powerful unfused character in the series, behind ultimate gohan. that's hardly underrated.
I was referring to Full-power Perfect Cell, not the Perfect Cell who got his butt beat by Gohan.
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+ Pyrus Oct 19 2011, 03:03 AM Post #350
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Oct 19 2011, 02:47 AM
Well I disregarded Goku's statements altogether so I guess that's why my opinion didn't seem contradictory. I just have a hard time believing just because Goku says something it makes it true especially when he lied to Piccolo about being able to beat Fat Buu.

There's no reason to doubt Goku's statement since Vegeta is the one who actually brings it up and Goku agrees with him, so it's really two statements in one. It's not contradicted, so there's no definitive proof that it's wrong.
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Vegita did fight Super Buu (Gohan), he attacked him and realized he couldn't win

Not in the manga. That whole fight between Goku, Vegeta and Boo was filler.
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and I don't think you even believe what your saying about the Goku letting the young fighters have a chance to save the world.

I do. Goku wasn't going to be there forever. Eventually someone would have to take over.
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If this wasn't in the manga, then disregard it but I still stand by my previous statement. What was it like in the Manga, was there an Uub at the end? If it's the same as as the anime, Uub was just almost as strong as a Super Saiyan 3, why would Goku exclusively train him when Goten, Trunks had the potential to become just as strong?

Oob didn't know how to use his power, so even if he was as powerful as Kid Boo, he couldn't use that power to do anything. Goku wanted to train him because he saw a little of him in Oob. It's also showing how Goku finally became the teacher instead of the student. Goten and Trunks showed no interest in fighting anymore. Goten became interested in girls and Trunks was in line to take over Capsule Corp. Goku and Vegeta both realized this and admitted their kids were lazy bums.
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Not to mention Gohan who's stronger than everyone. Saving the world is extremely important to Goku, he wouldn't just say "ahh well Gohan has his educational future to worry about".

Goku has no rule over Gohan. It was Gohan's choice to become a scholar and take care of his family. He never had any interest in fighting, and only did so when it was necessary. Goku wouldn't force Gohan to train against his will when he's got a new family and studies to worry about. Oob was the only rational choice.
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twitchy Oct 19 2011, 04:28 AM Post #351
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Goku thought Gohan was just killed (was he "killed" in the Manga?) and his only concern was letting Goten and Trunks do something about it? I don't know..

So Goku has rule over Uub just because he gives them some of Hercule's money? :lol: Even if he has no control over Gohan, it'd be stupid of Gohan put the world at risk just so he can have a normal life. It's not like the he couldn't take a few hours out of 1 day a week to train in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber so he could stay strong. It's just a responsibility he should assume.

But okay the manga makes sense, I concede. It still pisses me off how Kid Buu could be weaker than Super Buu. Kid Buu is a disappointment then, even though it looked like he was toying with Goku in the anime (he said Buu Yeahhh 10 times probably, you stop at 2 if you're being serious :D).
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Mihawk Oct 19 2011, 04:39 AM Post #352
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 I think it's great that toriyama didn't follow the "later in the show, must be stronger" attitude.

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+ Pyrus Oct 19 2011, 05:36 AM Post #353
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Goku thought Gohan was just killed (was he "killed" in the Manga?) and his only concern was letting Goten and Trunks do something about it? I don't know..

I guess. He was going to see Gohan in the afterlife anyway.
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So Goku has rule over Uub just because he gives them some of Hercule's money? :lol: Even if he has no control over Gohan, it'd be stupid of Gohan put the world at risk just so he can have a normal life. It's not like the he couldn't take a few hours out of 1 day a week to train in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber so he could stay strong. It's just a responsibility he should assume.

But it's not a responsibility he wants. He's never wanted it. He only ever trains or fights when he really has to. If he doesn't, he's focused on something normal. He probably should've trained a little after what happened with Boo, but having a family most likely kept him away from that, and there was always Goku, Vegeta, and Piccolo if some villain came along.
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But okay the manga makes sense, I concede. It still pisses me off how Kid Buu could be weaker than Super Buu. Kid Buu is a disappointment then, even though it looked like he was toying with Goku in the anime (he said Buu Yeahhh 10 times probably, you stop at 2 if you're being serious :D).

He's still the sixth strongest Boo out of nine, if that helps. >_< Someone had to be on Goku's level since everybody was too weak or dead, so Kid Boo filled that position nicely.
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TheGreatOne Oct 21 2011, 02:20 AM Post #354
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 Base Vegito
Super Buu (Gohan)
Kid Buu
Super Buu (Gotenks)
Ultimate Gohan
Base Super Buu
SSJ3 Goku
SSJ3 Gotenks
SSJ2 Vegeta
Favorite quote from DBZ Movies
Bojack: Company Gooooooood
Gohan: Uh?
Bojack: It's been so long.........SINCE I'VE SNAPPED SOMEONES NECK!!!!!!!!
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+ Havoc_Wreaker Oct 21 2011, 02:30 AM Post #355
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Popcorn

 ^^ thats not in order right
just a random list
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Doggo Champion 2k17 Oct 23 2011, 01:26 AM Post #356
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^^ I would hope so! :p
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Balthazor Oct 23 2011, 01:30 AM Post #357
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I'm damn serious

 SSJ Vegito for sure
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Majin Quiet Oct 24 2011, 10:14 PM Post #358
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Non-fused it would be Kid Buu, and fused it would be Super Vegito. Although, if we were to count GT, it would easily be SS4 Gogeta.
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Kingkilla Nov 6 2011, 10:21 PM Post #359
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what about ssj5 goku he does exist you knw
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Kruegs Outlandish Nov 7 2011, 01:24 AM Post #360
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What about this guy?

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Can he join the party? B****, he looks like Goku! (ssj swagger...)

beware the r
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