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Who is the Most Powerful person in the Dragonball Z Universe?; *No Movies
Topic Started: Jun 6 2009, 10:28 PM (157,422 Views)
Cellic Aug 24 2011, 07:53 AM Post #286
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 The make of DBZ stated the Vegito is the strongest character in DBZ universe followed by Kid buu.
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lunar2 Aug 24 2011, 03:22 PM Post #287
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 no, akira toriyama never said kid buu was the strongest.

ki buu loses to all of the following:

dead ssj3 goku

post rosat gotenks, any form

super buu

ultimate gohan

buff buu

buucollo

buutenks

buuhan

vegito, any form

and gogeta, any form
list of canon sources:

the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga.

list of non canon sources:

everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality.

for those that blindly follow word of god
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Cocoman Aug 24 2011, 04:13 PM Post #288
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Badabing!

 There is simply no argument for Kid Buu being the strongest apart from 'he is the last villain trolol'.

All evidence points towards Super Buu>>SSJ3 Goku and Kid Buu<=>SSJ3 Goku.
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* Yu Narukami Aug 24 2011, 04:20 PM Post #289
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Izanagi!

 MY OPINION

SSJ Vegetto > SSJ Gogeta >= Ultimate Gohan > Super Buu >= SSJ3 Gotenks > SSJ3 Goku >= Kid Buu > Fat Buu > SSJ2 Vegeta
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Kruegs Outlandish Aug 24 2011, 06:40 PM Post #290
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SEG multipliers...

2000+
SSJ1 Vegito8000
Buuhan4431.6
Buutenks3760
Z Gohan3050
SSJ3 Gotenks2400
[500-2000)
Super South Buushin1950
Buuccolo1381.6
Super Buu1360
Evil Buu1060
Fat Buu680
SSJ2 Gotenks600
Kid South Buushin590
[100-500)
SSJ3 Goku400
Kid Buu380
Fat Buu (.50)340
Mr Buu300
SSJ1 Gotenks300
Southkaioshin200
Fat Buu (.25)170
Vegito160
Daikaioshin100
SSJ2 Goku100
[0-100)
SSJ Goku50
SSJ Trunks40
SSJ Goten40
Piccolo20
Gotenks6
Goku1
Trunks.8
Goten.8
Edited by Kruegs Outlandish, Aug 25 2011, 08:02 AM.
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Spirit Aug 24 2011, 06:41 PM Post #291
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 Manga: Super Vegito

Anime: SSJ4 Gogeta
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+ Clearin Aug 24 2011, 06:42 PM Post #292
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lunar2
Aug 24 2011, 03:22 PM
no, akira toriyama never said kid buu was the strongest.

ki buu loses to all of the following:

dead ssj3 goku

post rosat gotenks, any form

super buu

ultimate gohan

buff buu

buucollo

buutenks

buuhan

vegito, any form

and gogeta, any form
I'm not sure he'd lose to Dead SSJ3 Goku, I guess Goku would just last a bit longer.
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+ Pyrus Aug 24 2011, 07:18 PM Post #293
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bizness86
Aug 24 2011, 06:40 PM
SEG multipliers...

2000+
SSJ1 Vegito8000
Buuhan4451.6
Buutenks3800
Z Gohan3050
SSJ3 Gotenks2400
[500-2000)
Super South Buushin1980
Buuccolo1401.6
Super Buu1380
Evil Buu1060
Fat Buu680
SSJ2 Gotenks600
Kid South Buushin590
[100-500)
SSJ3 Goku400
Kid Buu380
Fat Buu (.50)350
Mr Buu300
SSJ1 Gotenks300
Southkaioshin200
Fat Buu (.25)175
Vegito160
Daikaioshin100
SSJ2 Goku100
[0-100)
SSJ Goku50
SSJ Trunks40
SSJ Goten40
Piccolo20
Gotenks6
Goku1
Trunks.8
Goten.8
I'm not understanding a couple things.

1. SSj3 Gotenks being 70% stronger than Super Boo...what? :unsure:

2. Skinny Boo being more powerful than Fat Boo and especially Kid Boo, when it should be the other way around.

3. Fat Boo being more powerful than SSj3 Goku.

@TGZ: Goku would've been able to charge up his finishing attack if he'd had a dead body.
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Kruegs Outlandish Aug 24 2011, 07:46 PM Post #294
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Kamikaze Pyro
Aug 24 2011, 07:18 PM
I'm not understanding a couple things.

1. SSj3 Gotenks being 70% stronger than Super Boo...what? :unsure:

2. Skinny Boo being more powerful than Fat Boo and especially Kid Boo, when it should be the other way around.

3. Fat Boo being more powerful than SSj3 Goku.
:)

heeheehee!

1. I personally believe SSJ3 Gotenks should have been able to end Super Buu at anytime during that fight; Gotenks just doesn't know how to end chess, and he was just trying and hard as possible to make the fight epic (points to "Oh noez! Super Buu is SOO MUCH STRONGER!" *Piccolo blows up door* "Piccolo WTF DUDE!"). Aside from that I do all of the Buu's additively and even tried to compensate a lot with some "magic explanations," so that SSJ Gotenks could be even somewhat as strong Goku's SSJ3, but when I do that, SSJ3 Gotenks beats Super Buu easily, which is actually possible, so that's where that comes from.

2. The max Fat Buu pwer is his potential power; meaning that it makes sense that he should be stronger than Kid Buu given that he's made of absorptions of Kid Buu + others. Yeah, Evil Buu is one of those "magic explanation" as to have Gotenks even somewhat as strong as some made claims (doing Buu's additively...). Evil Buu is supposedly at least >= Kid Buu, as Mr. Buu is supposedly ~ Dai + South. So I did Evil Buu = Kid Buu + "magic number"; given the magic number any name you want. In this instance, I did Kid + Fat, and said that Evil Buu was born (of Fat Buu's anger, or power, or whatever) rather than merely split. I recall doing this post and there being the same difference i n explanation.

3. So Potential Fat Buu is more powerful than SSJ3 Goku. I'm guessing Fat Buu didn't get mad at Goku at that time, and everyone else at that time were even less than 25% of Fat Buu's potential max...
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+ Pyrus Aug 24 2011, 08:02 PM Post #295
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 So you're just following the SEG for those outcomes then?
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Doggo Champion 2k17 Aug 24 2011, 08:25 PM Post #296
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I don't believe in power levels after the Frieza Saga. :D
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Spirit Aug 24 2011, 08:27 PM Post #297
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Aug 24 2011, 08:25 PM
I don't believe in power levels after the Frieza Saga. :D
That is the single greatest thing I've heard on this forum so far! :D
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Kruegs Outlandish Aug 24 2011, 08:43 PM Post #298
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Kamikaze Pyro
Aug 24 2011, 08:02 PM
So you're just following the SEG for those outcomes then?
for saiyans yes. though maybe base Vegito and Gotenks should be lower, because SSJ1 should be more than times 50 for them. I probably won't edit though.

I come up with some of the other number from fights and from some contrived explanations:

i.e.

Mr. Buu = Dai + South
even so, some people don't believe this.

SSJ2 Vegeta < SSJ2 Goku < Mr. Buu < Kid Buu
SEG, Mr. Buu is at the very least, greater than near 25% of Kid Buu (Kid Buu ~ SSJ3 Goku = 4 * SSJ2 Goku), but considering how he did against Kid Buu, how much more than that should Mr. Buu be? Shouls he be 50% of Kid Buu? 80%? Admittedly, looking now, I may have given him a lot of credit, but who can really say that he doesn't deserve as much?

Fat Buu = Kid + Dai + South
that's potentially, and even here you can say that, prior to Fusion, Fat Buu was killing everyone but SSJ3 Goku with only 33% of his power tops... with the numbers I put 25% was more than enough to finish SSJ2 Goku/Majin Vegeta, and Post RoSaT SSJ Gotenks could have ended 25% Fat Buu easily (even if I have SSJ Gotenks at only 75% of SSJ3 Goku).

Dai, South
Kai's were arbitrary. Evidently, I don't even have them trying to pull the Z-Sword or else they would have. I get their numbers from Mr. Buu, and I have Mr Buu high enough that both are at least Goku's SSJ2.

Kid South Buushin, Super South Buushin
mere opinion, I think these two occurrences are different. Kid South Buushin was the weaker of the two and wasn't even stronger than Super Buu. Super Buu was losing himself and Kid Buu was emerging and reverting back. Super Buu's power was still there, albeit fading, while Kid Buu as South Buushin was appearing and reverting to original form.

Z Gohan
or Ultimate Gohan. Z makes it shorter... he had to be weaker than Buutenks but stronger Gotenks...

SSJ Goten, SSJ Trunks
personal opinion again, even after RoSaT, I don't see them being stronger than SSJ Vegeta... but they were stronger than SSJ Gohan on Babidi's ship.
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Spirit Aug 24 2011, 08:44 PM Post #299
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bizness86
Aug 24 2011, 08:43 PM
Kamikaze Pyro
Aug 24 2011, 08:02 PM
So you're just following the SEG for those outcomes then?
for saiyans yes. though maybe base Vegito and Gotenks should be lower, because SSJ1 should be more than times 50 for them. I probably won't edit though.

I come up with some of the other number from fights and from some contrived explanations:

i.e.

Mr. Buu = Dai + South
even so, some people don't believe this.

SSJ2 Vegeta < SSJ2 Goku < Mr. Buu < Kid Buu
SEG, Mr. Buu is at the very least, greater than near 25% of Kid Buu (Kid Buu ~ SSJ3 Goku = 4 * SSJ2 Goku), but considering how he did against Kid Buu, how much more than that should Mr. Buu be? Shouls he be 50% of Kid Buu? 80%? Admittedly, looking now, I may have given him a lot of credit, but who can really say that he doesn't deserve as much?

Fat Buu = Kid + Dai + South
that's potentially, and even here you can say that, prior to Fusion, Fat Buu was killing everyone but SSJ3 Goku with only 33% of his power tops... with the numbers I put 25% was more than enough to finish SSJ2 Goku/Majin Vegeta, and Post RoSaT SSJ Gotenks could have ended 25% Fat Buu easily (even if I have SSJ Gotenks at only 75% of SSJ3 Goku).

Dai, South
Kai's were arbitrary. Evidently, I don't even have them trying to pull the Z-Sword or else they would have. I get their numbers from Mr. Buu, and I have Mr Buu high enough that both are at least Goku's SSJ2.

Kid South Buushin, Super South Buushin
mere opinion, I think these two occurrences are different. Kid South Buushin was the weaker of the two and wasn't even stronger than Super Buu. Super Buu was losing himself and Kid Buu was emerging and reverting back. Super Buu's power was still there, albeit fading, while Kid Buu as South Buushin was appearing and reverting to original form.

Z Gohan
or Ultimate Gohan. Z makes it shorter... he had to be weaker than Buutenks but stronger Gotenks...

SSJ Goten, SSJ Trunks
personal opinion again, even after RoSaT, I don't see them being stronger than SSJ Vegeta... but they were stronger than SSJ Gohan on Babidi's ship.
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+ Pyrus Aug 24 2011, 09:25 PM Post #300
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 Do you think Dai Kaioshin weakened Boo?
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