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| mystic gohan vs hirudegarn vs buutenks vs gogeta. | |
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| hidan fan | Jun 5 2009, 07:18 PM Post #1 |
 
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mystic gohan and hirudegarn would be tied somewhat but hirudegarn (finalform) did well against three ssj3s and vegeta.buutenks would be the strongest in this fight.since fusion for gogeta lasts for 30 minutes.andbuutenks can regenerate so he could survive gogeta's attack.this would come down between gogeta and buutenks.but if gogeta could land his attack he could win.but if buutenks could hold out long enough he would win.so who would win this. |
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| SSJVegito | Jun 6 2009, 07:20 PM Post #2 |
Ally to good. Nightmare to you.
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Look at the first page of the Super Vegito vs SSJ Gogeta pinned thread. This shows that Gogeta had a strength advantage over Buutenks who is stronger than Gohan who is weaker then Hirudegarn as per Wrath of the Dragon. |
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| hidan fan | Jun 6 2009, 08:28 PM Post #3 |
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gogeta and normal vegito are equal. super vegito is way stronger due to the potara earrings.ss3 goku is and ssj2 vegeta are not stronger then normal superbuu.goku even told fat buu wait and a stronger warrior in gotenks would appear.the reason I say this is because buutenks fusion is just a little stronger then gogeta.unlike gogeta buutenks fusion could have been a permanet fusion.plus remember it took gogeta to beat janemba because he was stronger then both.also buutenks bested mystic gohan who was stronger then goku and vegeta at that time.and he outsmarted gotenks who was also stronger.seeing that he got the better of mystic gohan who was stronger.and that he can regenerate if buutenks out lasts fusion he could win. |
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| * Psyam | Jun 6 2009, 09:10 PM Post #4 |
 
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...Right. Anyway, it comes down to Gogeta and Gotenks Buu. If the timer expires, Super Buu would kill Goku and Vegeta so Gogeta would have to kill Buu before the fusion time expires. As Gogeta is roughly Buu's level, I don't think he could do that. Not with Buu's level of regeneration. Gogeta's "Stardust Breaker" might get rid of Buu for good, but I'm not so sure. No real way to prove it either way, not that I can think of. |
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| SSJVegito | Jun 6 2009, 11:10 PM Post #5 |
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Ally to good. Nightmare to you.
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You should look at Necifix's post on this thread. http://dbzf.co.uk/topic/27068/1/ It's a long read but very enlightening. I would have agreed with your idea of Gogeta and Vegito's power but this totally owned that idea. But anyway. Psyam's right. It comes down to Gogeta and Buutenks. But as Psyam pointed out Buutenks' regenerative abilities would be hard to beat in 30 minutes. Edited by SSJVegito, Jun 6 2009, 11:11 PM.
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| xinyuwen1995 | Oct 14 2009, 03:56 AM Post #6 |
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Lol, some of the stuff posted up there are really bullshet, let me tell you something about Hirudargen. He owned mystic Gohan in SECONDS, and would have crushed him to death with his hand if it weren't for Vegeta interferring. Then, he took out Vegeta easily. He MOPPED THE FLOOR with SSJ3 Gotenks, forcing him to split back into Goten and Trunks. Yep, ssj3 gotanks stronger than ssj3 goku. i repeat, there is ACTUALY EVIDENCE that Hirudegarn toasted Mystic Gohan almost immediately, and pawned just about everything else, including ssj3 Goku. now, going on to Goku. The ONLY reason Goku won was because while Goku distracted hirudegarn with a bunch of energy blasts, trunks was able to sneak attack and cut of the monsters tail, wich I think paralyzes Hirudegarn. Also, Goku figured out Hirudegarns weakness- anger control. goku got him angry, distarcts him, trunks cuts off his tail. Then, Goku in ssj3 proceeded to beat him with dragonfist, although i wouldnt say Goku won because Goku passed out after that. So I dont know why Mystic Gohan is even in this argument......... if Mystic Gohan was beaten than both Hirudegarn and Gotanks buu, then gohan is out of the debate. Agreed guys? Ok, so now going on to gotanks buu and Hirudegarn. yes, gotanks buu beat Mystic Gohan, but not after mystic Gohan put up a fabulous fight. There was NO WAY gotanks Buu could take out Mystic Gohan as fast as Hirudegarn did. Hirudegarn did it in moments, I mean like BAM, and Gohan was in his gigantic hands about to be crushed, and if it werent for Vegeta gohan's dead. then Hiru knocks out gohan. And also, realize that Hirudegarn took out ssj3 gotanks who was stronger than ssj3 goku almost instantly, like a tarantula beating the crap out of a little spider. So, please, those people who say ssj3 goku stronger than Hirudegarn, PLEASE SHUT UP. Cauz Hiru owned people who are so much stronger than Goku. So, anyways, Hirudegarn can also absorb buu with his tail. one more thing, Hiru can disapear into mist and avoid just about any attack. If goku can kill buu then hiru can. now, as for Gogeta, we just know he has 10 minutes before he splits, so, thats a tough one. Of course super gogeta is stronger than Hiru, but Hiru's special abilities may help him survive the 10 minutes. So, if u disagree u welcomed to tell me why, but like I have said, i stated FACTS THAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED. |
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| Cooler | Oct 14 2009, 02:01 PM Post #7 |
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Gotenks was on the verge of destroying Super Buu when his fusion time ran out so I definately think Gogeta could destroy Buutenks. Basically a roughly equal opponent with a much shorter fusion time (due to SSJ3) was able to almost beat Super Buu. So a roughly equal opponent with a longer fusion time in the form of Gogeta should be able to manage Buutenks. Hirudegarn would beat Gohan, leaving Gogeta to take on the giant. Now if the fusion time runs out Goku by himself was able to be beat Hirudegarn so basically Gogeta/Goku & Vegeta win this one. If Gohan is somehow still alive when the fusion runs out then he can beat Super Buu, Goku and Vegeta then get killed by Hirudegarn...Or he can wait till Goku dragon fists Hirudegarn then kill everyone... It depends who fights who initially though I think Gogeta has the best chance for victory even after the de-fusion. |
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| * Psyam | Oct 14 2009, 02:35 PM Post #8 |
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But this is Super Buu and SSJ3 Gotenks put together, so SSJ3 Gotenks possibly being able to beat Super Buu is beside the point. NeciFiX made a good post that puts Gogeta around Buutenks level, but to be honest Buu has more chance to beat Gogeta (by absorption, candy ray, self destruction) then Gogeta does of completely destroying Buu in an energy blast. xinyuwen1995: Hirudegarn would still die, even if he is as strong as you make him about to be. Goku beat him alone, so Gogeta, who would also have Vegeta's tactical genius and much more power, could as well. Buutenks has Piccolo's mind so he should be able to figure out how to beat Hirudegarn, either by making him angry, hitting him with a ghost kamikaze attack, candy ray, whatever. Hirudegarn can teleport, yes, but he'd be easily goaded into taking an attack. The end result would be Gogeta Vs. Buutenks, two beings about evenly matched in strength. Gogeta could pull it off if he got a REALLY charged up powerful attack on Buutenks, but is Buutenks going to let him? With an even power to Gogeta, Piccolo's mind and Gotenks's moves, as well as absorption and transfiguration ray, I think it's more likely that Buutenks would win then Gogeta. I'm not saying Gogeta wouldn't win sometimes, but Buutenks has a better chance imo. Not to mention Buu could just go hide for 30 minutes like he did against Gohan, then he could come back and beat Goku and Vegeta when they couldn't fuse for another hour. Edited by Psyam, Oct 14 2009, 02:36 PM.
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| BUU | Oct 15 2009, 11:51 PM Post #9 |
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Ah, but you forget about my post in the topic Gogeta vs Super buu with Gotenks. The stardust breaker is supposed to use your oponent's negative(or possitive) energy against them and destroy them. So, since Janemba was very evil, his own negative energy was used against him. As far as I know, this move does not concern power, all it does is use the oponent's own energy against them. I don't think that Super Buu (or anyone else) could regenerate from this. So, if this hit, it would use Super Buu's own negative energy to destroy him. And if Buu does try to run away, Gogeta can use instant transmittion to find him. But again it's debatable to judge a fight on one move. |
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| * Psyam | Oct 16 2009, 07:27 AM Post #10 |
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Stardust breaker/Soul Punisher was only used once and no explanation was ever given for it, so I don't think it's worth relying on. Gogeta can't teleport to Buu using Instant Transmission if he can't sense him, as you need to lock onto a Ki signature to use it. Buu was able to completely hide his presence from Gohan so he could probably do the same again. |
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| BUU | Oct 17 2009, 05:42 PM Post #11 |
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Gogeta did give an explanation for the Stardust Breaker. He clearly said that he would destroy Janemba with his own negative energy. |
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| * Psyam | Oct 17 2009, 06:08 PM Post #12 |
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He only said his bad energy would be his undoing, he wasn't specifically talking about the attack so we can't be sure. It isn't be proven it can just destroy anything evil, so it shouldn't be taken as such. Gogeta is so much stronger then Janemba that he could have destroyed him with a generic energy ball at that point. I just think it's not very wise to put the outcome of the fight down to that attack when it was only used once, and on a much much weaker opponent then the person who used it. Who's to say it would work on a equally strong fighter? Not to mention even if it would be a one hit kill if it landed, Buu has two equally deadly attacks (transfiguration ray and absorption). I could just as easily say Buu would land the ray and Gogeta would be finished. Edited by Psyam, Oct 17 2009, 06:18 PM.
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