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Rockman	Jun 2 2009, 11:46 PM Post #1
hoighty-toighty Posts: 11,070 Group: Guardian Member #48 Joined: December 17, 2004 Gender Male Country United States What Browser do you use? Firefox, when it isn't crashing.	Explain the origin of a soul. If a soul exists, and religion claims that our souls return to their maker, where and how are our souls created? If a god wants us to return to him after our death, why would he put our souls here in the first place? If ethics and philosophy is a man made idea, then why do we think that our idea of morality is the correct form to achieve an afterlife? Please answer this question without using an idea of divine intervention, as doing so can't be proven anyway. Go!
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Meowth	Jun 3 2009, 07:18 AM Post #2
=._.= Posts: 130,670 Group: Princess Member #23 Joined: November 22, 2004 Gender Female Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya What Browser do you use? FireFox Favourite Manga Fruits Basket	Our souls where created at a soul factory, like electronical goods, once you've done with them, you send them to a specalist place, known as a recycling plant or an electrical dump. But some electrical goods get left in the street or in rivers, this would be hell for the poor appliance. There is no correct way to reach an afterlife, you'll reach an afterlife no matter what since you won't live forever, so you're not going to get a beforelife. An afterlife might just consist of being buried, who knows, the dead hasn't told anyone what's it's like to die. It's like getting a fried laptop to turn on.



Rockman	Jun 3 2009, 11:29 PM Post #3
hoighty-toighty Posts: 11,070 Group: Guardian Member #48 Joined: December 17, 2004 Gender Male Country United States What Browser do you use? Firefox, when it isn't crashing.	That's fine and dandy of an answer there Koko. But all theists would disagree.
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~~Dark~~	Jun 10 2009, 08:02 PM Post #4
Posts: 1,589 Group: GTFO Member #4,185 Joined: May 9, 2009 What Browser do you use? Flareon	You really are serious about anti-theism, aren't you? Well I'm glad you're enthused. There are many enthused Christians, so it's nice to see this for a change. We're all animals at our core. The judgment of us alone, humans only, being brought somewhere into the afterlife is flawed in its own sense.



BattleMetal	Jun 10 2009, 09:25 PM Post #5
Posts: 596 Group: Member Member #3,821 Joined: November 24, 2008	Cant explain much on the making of a soul but ive read Raymond E Feists Magician series and at points in the stories it talks about the creation of the universe and lifes and deaths purpose that could relate to this topic. In it he mentions a theory that the Universe (or God) is nothing more than a young child, something that is still learning, it puts out all of these souls so when they die it can digest the information that each soul has acquired in its life so it can learn. Its a slow process as the Universe tries to understand what influences decisions and the making of people souls. A billiion letters of information coming every second would take a lot of time to understand. The idea that everyone starts off neutral but as they grow they will lean towards being a good or bad person, why and how does this happen. It is trying to understand what makes these things happen, why is that an event can affect 10 different people but each will deal with it in his or her own way. How can someone who has had hardship and badness surround them still turn out to be a decent person while another who has lived an easy life turns into something dark (this is not always the case but something that i have seen)? Why do these variations exist? What influenced them? What it will do when it gets the answers that it requires from all of these souls once it understands (if it ever can) is unknown. Im open to things and i felt like there could be some truth in this if i did believe or care about such things like if we have souls and why. If we all do have souls and what makes us who we are and who we can become, we remain the same but events can occur that can drastically change us. Moments of kindness where we help someone else. Or moments where we become monsters because its easy. Not everyone is black and white, some just show a stronger shade than others. Ive never met anyone who ive thought has a good soul, just people who have a little less black than others or can hide it better than some. Edited by BattleMetal, Jun 10 2009, 09:29 PM.
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Finta646	Jun 10 2009, 10:09 PM Post #6
Posts: 441 Group: Member Member #3,954 Joined: February 2, 2009 Favourite Anime Sailor Moon, DBZ, InuYasha, Shana What Browser do you use? Internet Explorer & Firefox Favourite Manga n/a	Here is my theory: Souls are created by other energy forms not discovered by humans or living creatures on this plane. They are placed here in order to learn and go through as many lives as it takes for them to be able to reach enlightenment/the end of the learning cycle. It`s up the specific person to choose to believe how they want to live their life, there is no specific “moral standard” or anything like that. The souls are here to learn and if they don’t learn in this life, they come back another time. Edited by Finta646, Jun 10 2009, 10:09 PM.
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Rockman	Jun 11 2009, 01:02 AM Post #7
hoighty-toighty Posts: 11,070 Group: Guardian Member #48 Joined: December 17, 2004 Gender Male Country United States What Browser do you use? Firefox, when it isn't crashing.	Brian Jun 10 2009, 08:02 PM You really are serious about anti-theism, aren't you? Well I'm glad you're enthused. There are many enthused Christians, so it's nice to see this for a change. We're all animals at our core. The judgment of us alone, humans only, being brought somewhere into the afterlife is flawed in its own sense. You mean I ask a lot of questions. I hate not understanding things. I wouldn't say I'm anti. That would infer that i hate. That's not the case. Response to BattleMetal; All of what you were talking about can be explained if we knew more about our brains. Neuro-science is just now discovering things about the brain that we never knew existed, and give reasons to things such as addictions, dependency, and even homosexuality. Not to criticize your use of Mr. Feist's book or ideas, but I'd like to point out that using that book as a reference to explain a soul is no more credible than using any 20th century book to explain anything about God. That it is nothing more than another theory. Response to Finta; What do you base you're theory from or quote? If I'm not mistaken it sounds a bit like Hindu mixed with Buddhism. Maybe even a bit of Mormon thrown in there with a touch of Scientology. lol My rebuttal to you Finta, and don't take this in a harsh manner, is this. I'm going to use a basic philosophy principle to explain this as well making it easier to understand. P ◄ Q If X then Y. If a Religion is true, then all religions are true. Since no one religion believes that all religions are true, then by default no religion is true. If no Religion is true, then all theories of God and souls are false. Using Christianity as an example here; If God wants our souls to return to him in the afterlife, then our souls are not created by him. If our souls were created by God, then he would not put us here on earth to later be retracted into heaven.
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Meowth	Jun 11 2009, 01:28 AM Post #8
=._.= Posts: 130,670 Group: Princess Member #23 Joined: November 22, 2004 Gender Female Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya What Browser do you use? FireFox Favourite Manga Fruits Basket	Kotetsu Jun 11 2009, 01:02 AM If our souls were created by God, then he would not put us here on earth to later be retracted into heaven. The goes against my factory explination, if there is a heaven and hell then it could be the equivalent of factory testing, the goods go through, the ones that meet quality regulations pass through, the rest get thrown away. Although I don't imagin souls are then used in heaven unless god uses them for fuel, toys or food



Rockman	Jun 11 2009, 01:47 AM Post #9
hoighty-toighty Posts: 11,070 Group: Guardian Member #48 Joined: December 17, 2004 Gender Male Country United States What Browser do you use? Firefox, when it isn't crashing.	Kyonko Jun 11 2009, 01:28 AM Kotetsu Jun 11 2009, 01:02 AM If our souls were created by God, then he would not put us here on earth to later be retracted into heaven. The goes against my factory explination, if there is a heaven and hell then it could be the equivalent of factory testing, the goods go through, the ones that meet quality regulations pass through, the rest get thrown away. Although I don't imagin souls are then used in heaven unless god uses them for fuel, toys or food So you're a Jehovah's witness and believe that only a hundred thousand something can get there. You're theories are as valid as anyones I'd say. And that includes a two year old's idea.
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* Mitas	Jun 11 2009, 08:21 AM Post #10
It truly was a Shawshank redemption Posts: 12,129 Group: Retired Staff Member #2,993 Joined: December 16, 2007 Gender Male Favourite Anime DBZ What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga DBZ, Full Metal Alchemist	The soul is another human invention, just like religions and Gods. It's just another answer that people can give when asked questions that otherwise would be unanswerable. However if in theory the sould did exist, it would originate from the brain. For all we know it could even be the brain. That's where all our memories and feelings are stored and it is the central system that controls our whole body. I personally don't think the soul is something that lives on after death. Plato and Aristotle explain how the soul is the 'essence' of a person, what makes you 'you' and this is what I believe. I think that although the soul is not a 'real' object, that it does represent the person and that it grows and develops your whole life and when that life ends, so does the 'soul'.
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Rockman	Jun 11 2009, 11:47 AM Post #11
hoighty-toighty Posts: 11,070 Group: Guardian Member #48 Joined: December 17, 2004 Gender Male Country United States What Browser do you use? Firefox, when it isn't crashing.	Mitas Jun 11 2009, 08:21 AM The soul is another human invention, just like religions and Gods. It's just another answer that people can give when asked questions that otherwise would be unanswerable. However if in theory the sould did exist, it would originate from the brain. For all we know it could even be the brain. That's where all our memories and feelings are stored and it is the central system that controls our whole body. I personally don't think the soul is something that lives on after death. Plato and Aristotle explain how the soul is the 'essence' of a person, what makes you 'you' and this is what I believe. I think that although the soul is not a 'real' object, that it does represent the person and that it grows and develops your whole life and when that life ends, so does the 'soul'. Now for whatever reason, that's the answer I would have given if asked this question, but I just couldn't think of it at this time. That is the perfect answer that can be backed up by using something physical.
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Finta646	Jun 11 2009, 07:29 PM Post #12
Posts: 441 Group: Member Member #3,954 Joined: February 2, 2009 Favourite Anime Sailor Moon, DBZ, InuYasha, Shana What Browser do you use? Internet Explorer & Firefox Favourite Manga n/a	Kotetsu Jun 11 2009, 01:02 AM Response to Finta; What do you base you're theory from or quote? If I'm not mistaken it sounds a bit like Hindu mixed with Buddhism. Maybe even a bit of Mormon thrown in there with a touch of Scientology. lol My rebuttal to you Finta, and don't take this in a harsh manner, is this. I'm going to use a basic philosophy principle to explain this as well making it easier to understand. P ◄ Q If X then Y. If a Religion is true, then all religions are true. Since no one religion believes that all religions are true, then by default no religion is true. If no Religion is true, then all theories of God and souls are false. Using Christianity as an example here; If God wants our souls to return to him in the afterlife, then our souls are not created by him. If our souls were created by God, then he would not put us here on earth to later be retracted into heaven. I don’t really base it on anything; it’s kinda just what I grew up believing. I’m really not sure what you were saying, I’ve only taken one Philosophy class, it’s not really required for my major and I was never introduced to that. “Since no one religion believes that all religions are true, then by default no religion is true. If no Religion is true, then all theories of God and souls are false.” How do you know that no one religion believes in all the others when all religions have the exact same universal core belief system, for example, when I said that there is not a specific “moral standard” , that is my own way of living, I don’t believe I have to follow a specific code to learn in this life, however, the reality is that every religion follows certain ideas such as kindness and giving. It is because of these common beliefs that all religions are truly linked and are essentially the same thing, time has just altered them. At one point, all religions were the same just with different names for, perhaps the same being, so all theory’s of souls and Gods cannot be proven false by saying that there isn’t a religion that believes in all the others when all religions are really one and the majority have just been altered by people and time. “If God wants our souls to return to him in the afterlife, then our souls are not created by him. If our souls were created by God, then he would not put us here on earth to later be retracted into heaven.” In my theory, I didn’t say that God created souls; I believe that other energy forms did it, not him/her/whatever. Whatever placed us here wanted us to learn here first before coming to “Heaven” or wherever we go. My attempt to answer this as the example to your statement above: That “God” from Christian beliefs and the “other energy sources” may possibly be the same thing. He created us but could not create the knowledge we need to know inside of us, so he sent us here in hopes that we would learn what he couldn’t teach. If he had just given us the knowledge, we wouldn’t have gained anything on our own. He wants us to come back to him when we are ready. ..... and I didn't take it harshly, please don't take mine harsh either, I still respect your opinion even if its different than mine =)
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