jonnoley

Jul 1 2009, 04:16 PM

Anyway, I could never join the army, simply because I believe that it's inherantly evil, because it teaches people to kill.

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Do you think, that in the name of your country, in the "name" of peace, that you'd kill? COULD you kill?

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People who tell you it's your "duty" to join the military are ***** bureaucrats who don't know ***** about what they are talking about. Join for your own reasons, not because some jerk bullies you into it.

jonnoley

Jul 1 2009, 10:19 PM

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People who tell you it's your "duty" to join the military are ***** bureaucrats who don't know ***** about what they are talking about. Join for your own reasons, not because some jerk bullies you into it.

Excactly. Most people join the army "to protect their homes" because they're misinformed, lied to, and bullied into it. In my opinion.

Anyway, yes, I am in the army cadets. But, only really cause I have friends there. It's more basic fieldcraft skills than shooting, and I hate shooting. The benefits far outweigh the irony of being part of "the army's youth group". I object to the army, but even through your illogical distaste for the cadets, you must admit it helps people who either haven't worked enough to have qualifications, or just don't know what to do in life.

(Sorry for being some sort of army cadet propagandist...)

And yeah. I suppose, in the present day, Darwinism is Survival of the Fittest on crack. When any human can kill another with about 10 joules of energy, killling is slightly unavoidable. We base TV around it, books, games, almost all modern culture is concentrated on killing. So in the end, most people are deadend towards violence, and can kill easily.

Or something like that.

The Crack Fox

Jul 1 2009, 04:29 PM

I'm not saying this to impress anyone, and I hope this doesn't lower anyones opinions of me. Although it will, almost certainly: I would kill someone else to save my own life. Take from this what you will. Am I cowardly? Probably. Am I a selfish being? Most certainly. Am I wrong? In my opinion, no. It is natural to want to survive, to continue.

Brian

Jul 3 2009, 12:02 AM

I also noticed a couple statements about people killing another at the stake of their own life. My opinion on that: Yeah, you called it bub. That's definitely the way of the coward. Despicable. Every life lived should be in the service of leaving this world a better place.

Mitas

Jul 3 2009, 08:38 AM

Brian

Jul 3 2009, 12:02 AM

I also noticed a couple statements about people killing another at the stake of their own life. My opinion on that: Yeah, you called it bub. That's definitely the way of the coward. Despicable. Every life lived should be in the service of leaving this world a better place.

Why is it cowardly to want to survive? We're not saying we'd happily do it, but we'd do it because we want to live. Sure it's heroic to give your own life so that somebody else may survive, but that doesn't make you cowardly if you don't, it just makes you human.

And also here's a hypothetical question. I assume you're young, late teens-early twenties. What if you were in a situation where a madman had you and an 82 year old man with a cancer that meant he had only a couple years to live and you had to kill him to survive, what would you do then?

Mitas

Jul 3 2009, 08:38 AM

Brian

Jul 3 2009, 12:02 AM

I also noticed a couple statements about people killing another at the stake of their own life. My opinion on that: Yeah, you called it bub. That's definitely the way of the coward. Despicable. Every life lived should be in the service of leaving this world a better place.

Why is it cowardly to want to survive? We're not saying we'd happily do it, but we'd do it because we want to live. Sure it's heroic to give your own life so that somebody else may survive, but that doesn't make you cowardly if you don't, it just makes you human.

And also here's a hypothetical question. I assume you're young, late teens-early twenties. What if you were in a situation where a madman had you and an 82 year old man with a cancer that meant he had only a couple years to live and you had to kill him to survive, what would you do then?

jonnoley

Jul 6 2009, 04:47 PM

If a nutter says "Pick who dies, you or this baby?" Who would you pick?
I realize this only loosely ties in with the rest of the discussion, but *Shrugs*.
And I'm sorry, but "Insurgent scum?" People essentially defending their countries from the western invaders? I agree, the terrorist organisations are evil, because they kill innocent people, but most people (I imagine, if you are "insurgent scum", and I'm wrong, please correct me,) are simply defending their homes from what they will see as an injust invasion. I don't support either side in the current conflicts, the terrorists, or the nations that induced them to attack innocent people.

But anyway, choose. Who dies? You, no doubt some sin in your life, or a perfectly innocent baby? Could anyone really give their life to save a baby? I believe I could, but I may be wrong. Let's all hope none of us ever have to find out.

Mitas

Jul 3 2009, 09:42 PM

The opinion even changes for those whose life you're saving. They may feel that you're arrogant and pretentious for giving your life to save theirs (I'm not by any means saying that I think that, but it is most likely that somebody feels that way).