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| Tweet Topic Started: May 11 2009, 12:22 AM (1,178 Views) | |
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May 11 2009, 12:22 AM Post #1 |
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Right, so I'm questioning religion, as we all do. Particularly Christianity, which is the most popular, although it's the 4th religion discovered. So it wasn't even the original. Haha. Okay, so here we go. I'm wondering if anybody else has ever thought like this. We're human beings, so we're instinctive. We have the ability to reason, granted to us by our mighty, beloved God. ...Wait... Why would God create us in a manner that we are most-likely going to discover his non-existence? That's hilarious. So, we take the ability to reason that he granted us, we logically conclude that he doesn't exist- therefor we all go to hell for being non-believers. It almost seems deceitful. If he's non-existent, the greatest minds have been right all along. If he does exist, I can't stand the scumbag. He's arrogant. Haha. Also, in regard to Kotetsu's statement about attacking The Bible, I have something to say. In The Bible, there were all kinds of wonderful fairytales. All sorts of magic. Tales of triumph, through belief in god. Well why doesn't any of this stuff happen in current times? This whole religion thing is the biggest bunch of BS ever. I can't believe peoples' intellect succumbs to this. It's downright pitiful. Gullible. My mother knows me as a humanitarian, and as somebody who strives for achievement and honor. When she found out that I was atheist, she was disgusted. She hardly ever called me from that point on. I saw Joker Snake mention that everyone gave him looks when he stated that he was atheist. So, they're closed minded. They have no respect. Closed minded people are easy to manipulate, obviously, or else they wouldn't believe this ridiculous crap. I also get sick of the whole "Then prove religion wrong! Prove that God doesn't exist!" thing. Yeah, check this out. Oroku Saki created us all. He's a catastrophic, powerful ghost, so you can't see him. When you die, your spirit lives forever on earth or it goes to Blesphiros where it will be tortured by Oroku Saki's tormentor, Melvin Clarence. Prove me wrong. |
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| Trickster | May 11 2009, 12:35 AM Post #2 |
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I am actually athist myself. There are a lot of parts of the bible that contridict itself. The reason that GOD(if he is out there) gives up a choice to believe it or not, is because he wants his people to believe in him themself, not be forced to. And both sides have there work trying to prove there side. There is no proof for or against. It is up to the person, and there belief, that is why I have never treated someone different because of there views.
Edited by Trickster, May 11 2009, 12:36 AM.
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May 11 2009, 12:42 AM Post #3 |
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I used to believe in God. Then, I got a little older, a little less naive, and my head out of my azz. My girlfriend believes in God. I just support it, though. I tell her, "Hey, if you believe that you're going to burn in a pit of fire for an eternity if you do the wrong thing, then good. I want you to do the right thing." So... I guess religion's convenient, in ways. Er.. If you forgive the fact that millions have died in the wake of it. : P I mean, you can't tell me that there's some religious God that's going to take the blame for all of the men that have died in his name. He's perfect. He has the power to make things right. But you can't tell me, that the omnipotent being of love and bringer of the light ISN'T going to help? Psh. Come on. He's an inconsiderate prick if he's real and existent, and if he isn't, what's new. There's no win-situation with this. Edited by Dark, May 11 2009, 12:47 AM.
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| Trickster | May 11 2009, 12:48 AM Post #4 |
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Well, i guess you can say that I do believe, but don't care. I believe that you can go to hell or heaven, even if there isn't a god, but I don't think that going to church, and all that other stuff with make the difference. What happens in the end is due to what you do in your life. I guess when it comes down to it I am agnostic, I think there is something, but have no proof, so I am not on either side all the way. |
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May 11 2009, 01:36 AM Post #5 |
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I have some friends that have that -exact- same belief. I myself, think it's as hopeless as it appears. I would definitely see where you're coming from over that religious bologna though. |
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| Rockman | May 11 2009, 02:11 AM Post #6 |
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If you have close to an hour to kill, I suggest watching this tube video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iMmvu9eMrg In short, Dr. Andy Thompson gives psychological, and physiological meaning to why we believe in gods. Also summarizes his lecture with the idea that in the near future, Psychology and Neurology books will come with a portion in them on how our brains organize religion. Also he gives facts quoted from the National Institute of Health, on studies done to understand how the brain utilizes religious thoughts. I'm 100% more likely to listen to someone who devoted his life to education and the science of life, rather than someone who devoted his life to understanding a, couple thousand year old book that some of which no longer holds true to today's society and culture. It just seems to me that If I wanted to white-wash a fence like Tom Sawyer, I'd go to the local hardware store and ask for advice, rather than buy any old paint that may give me lead poisoning and fade or chip in less than a year. |
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| Krillin'sCourage | May 11 2009, 02:21 AM Post #7 |
 
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Mom my is super religious. She believes in end of days and giving her money to the church, so the priest/pastor/cult leader can ride around in a jaguar, wear solid gold cuff-links and let his wife wear diamonds. All the while, scaring people, then making them feel same by telling them it's ok. God will save them. Hey, I'm not above believing that there is some higher power. It's a possibility. Just like ghosts, aliens, and bigfoot. There's no real hard evidence that proves they are out there, but then again, there isn't any proof that they aren't. I try to keep an open mind on this subject as much as possible, TO A POINT. I don't like doing what other people tell me to do. Especially when they try to terrorize me into believing their ways. I like to keep my own view on things. If I had to pick a religion, it would probablly be Buddhism or Taoism, or some other eastern religion. I've always believed in Karma and felt that if one lives their live to the fullest capabillity, and respects others around him, he will continue to live a good life. |
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| Strawberry | May 11 2009, 02:54 AM Post #8 |
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I  you!Thanks for the link, I'm definitely going to watch it tomorrow when I have time. I am an atheist myself, although I've been more enthusiastic about this topic before. Things are quite simple in my head, I don't think we need any types of religion. There are dirty realities behind most religions, they ultimately create hate, they divide people, they label values and morals and use them as if they owned them, and they alienate people, specially those who lack the capacity of questioning things around them. Most religions claim the existence of a superior being and find all the answers they need in "faith". That usually makes people get stuck in time, and doesn't allow themselves to move forward. I like to side the knowledge that comes from our history, because most of the information you get is actually reliable. And religion has always been one of the main figures of repression and obsoletism throughout the whole history. If Christianity had its way all the time, we'd probably be living without any of the scientific advances (such as technology, which we're using right now to communicate) we enjoy now. We know the world as we know it today because some people were brave enough to tell the church their concepts were wrong (even if that cost them their lives sometimes). Even more recently... I cannot express with words how pissed off I get when I see priests on national television saying homosexual people should not get the right to marry. If there are two things I am passionate about, those are equality between people with same sex and opposite sex sexual orientation, and animal rights. The thing is, everytime I speak about this I come to the same crucial conclusion, which is: we don't need god, we don't need god not even in his metaphysical definition. God is above all a cultural construction that has been way too convenient to organized religions. |
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| Trickster | May 11 2009, 03:10 AM Post #9 |
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It is good to see that someone else out there is as open minded about that to. We have no right to say stuff like that is illegal, it is up to the person. But back on this discussion, I agree with all of that. The only reason I consider myself agnostic is because I have seen things before that make me wonder, but I have never been fully convinced. Thats why I am on neither side. There isn't proof enough for either side, therefore I am in the middle. People turn to God because they think that when the end comes, they will be saved and it will all be ok. But when the end comes, it will be just that, the end. There is no reason to hope for anything else, because everything in the universe comes to an end. It doesn't matter if you believe that you will be with Christ in heaven, or burning in hell, It is still going to be over at some point. I believe that once you die, you stay here, just in another plain. I believe that because I have actually lived in a haunted house, and seen it. Something else that I would like to add, it seems like people that are religious tend to be bias against people of outher religion, to the point that they won't help them. I think that is something else that keeps me from being on the side of religion. I don't mean to affend anyone by saying that, cause I don't mean every religious person, but most that I have meet are like that. Edited by Trickster, May 11 2009, 03:16 AM.
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| Rockman | May 11 2009, 03:18 AM Post #10 |
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Thank you Strawberry. And you're welcome. It was a very enlightening video, and any self-deserving psychologist such as yourself would probably appreciate what a wonderfully brilliant man Dr. Thompson is. Brian, The atheist you are today is in no way a reflection of the atheist you will be in the future if you continue your path as a humanitarian and exert your effort that was once used to worship, to better yourself as a person. Atheism is a self-taught, educated system of practical theories on how we are here, and how we should live our lives. The duty of the individual in a society is to enhance it. Whether it be on a local level, or international level. That's up to you to decide. If we were to redirect the time and money spent on religion in the world today, into making it a better place to live, to cure ailments such as cancer, to end poverty and hunger. Imagine. I believe that if John Lennon was alive today, that would be his modern motive. |
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May 11 2009, 03:29 AM Post #11 |
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Kotetsu: I took a glimpse at the video. I will definitely watch it when I get time. Strawberry: Yeah, I really get sick of hearing about legalizing homosexual marriage in politics. The world is falling apart because of global warming, war, and hatred, but that's fine. What's more important is their religious bigotry. Jesus Christ... Trickster: What? What the hell? You believe the way you do because you lived in a haunted house? No, seriously. What do you mean by that, I'm interested? I always find paranormal claims to be enticing. Edit: Kotetsu, I strive to be the best person I can be, because that's how I believe we all should be. It has nothing to do with religion. Now, it may be possible that this is a contributing fact of previous belief in God, but at this point, it isn't. I feel strongly about helping people. I doubt it will change. I believe it mostly comes from a natural belief to do what's right, while taking note of the people that do what isn't right (all the while hating them for their sickening ways). I have a strong sense of justice, and high expectations of people (that rarely get met). Edited by Dark, May 11 2009, 03:37 AM.
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| Trickster | May 11 2009, 03:32 AM Post #12 |
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Something that i never really understood was why people look down on anyone that doesn't believe in there god, and people that don't believe in a god the most. That is in no way something that can change who you are. I have seen people that are atheist that do good things, just like I have seen christians that would rather rob you and kill than say hi. So I see no reason to treat someone any way just because of there belief, it is and should be based on the person themself. I didn't mean I am the way I am because of that. I believe that once you die, you walk this world as a ghost. I just put in there that I use to live in a haunted house cause I know someone will ask me why I believe what I believe. Seeing and hearing certain things showed me that there are things out there that people don't understand. Edited by Trickster, May 11 2009, 03:38 AM.
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| Rockman | May 11 2009, 12:00 PM Post #13 |
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Seeing first hand what effect electromagnetic waves have on the brain might give you some reasons behind seeing what you saw Trickster. |
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| + Byakko | May 11 2009, 12:08 PM Post #14 |
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I'm athiest. My Mother was raised as a devout Christian, my mum's side of the family are all "Creationists", all Christian. My mum was forced to go to church, every sunday. She hated it. And she has no problem with her children not going. I'm not going to do something I don't think is right. And I don't think religion is right. So what? God is going to strike me down? I dare him. God created humans in "his" image? 2 reasons against that: 1) Look at you, you're probably fugly, whether mind or body I dunno, but probably either/or 2) Why the hell does everybody not look the same? I also hate the counter-argument of "Prove he doesn't exist". 2 reasons to dismiss that too: a) Prove he does exist and b) All you have to support your theory is the word of an organization that's been going 2000 years, is undeniably corrupt and a book. |
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| * -Zero- | May 11 2009, 06:39 PM Post #15 |
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To me religion is laughable. Just a few days ago I read an article on yahoo. This boy goes to a catholic school, while his gf goes to a different school. He was invited to go to her prom. Take into mind his school never has dances because they say rock music is bad for you. So he decided to want to go. For him to go he had to get a signature from his principal, which he did. However the principal threatened him, he said that if he went to the prom he would be suspended. Now tell me that's not ridiculous? I respect people's believes but the moment they start trying to talk religion into me that's when I let out how much of a joke religion is, how terrible it is too. So many people killed over religion. Someone tried to tell me oh church is only 40 minutes. And I responded with those 40 minutes I could be doing something better. In which I got the response if god was real you'd go to hell (he said it like that cause he knows im athiest) to which I responded if god was real and the almighty like everyone says I think he'd want me to have fun and not be inside some place for 40 minutes listening to a lecture about him. There are just so many things in religion that I just simply find it ridiculous and laughable. Someone walking on water? I mean come on, if there were so many magical times back then why don't they happen still as someone said? People believe in religion to try and cover their own weakness. What's that weakness? Simple, without religion these people would be hopeless and be afraid to live life, but because they believe in the afterlife it fills that weakness. Religion used to hate science but let's see without science there would be no phones, no computer, no television, no cars, no medicine, no surger. Since both Science and Religion have caused many deaths, well take that part aside and use this, which one has done more for the world we live in? No doubt about, Science. |
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