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| Super Baby VS Super Buu; Gohan Absorbed VS Pre-Oozaru | |
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| Topic Started: May 10 2009, 06:56 PM (515 Views) | |
| Brian | May 10 2009, 06:56 PM Post #1 |
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This fight seems difficult to determine. |
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| Psyam | May 10 2009, 07:32 PM Post #2 |
 
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This seems unsolvable at first glance, but the answer is once again provided by Goku. Goku said General Rildo was at least as strong as "Majin Buu", while he didn't state which Buu, any of them will be enough to show the winner. Personally, I think Goku meant Kid Buu, as he was the last one they fought, and Buu's original form. GT Goku at base was beating General Rildo, who can now be compared to Kid Buu. This means GT Goku's base power is above SSJ3 Goku's power in the Kid Buu fight. While this seems absurd, it's not improbable considering how much stronger Goku got in a few years from the start of DBZ to the end of the Frieza Saga. Given the time between Kid Buu and the start of GT, it's quite possible Goku got that much stronger. Now that's explained it's easy from here. Obviously SSJ3 GT Goku would be much stronger then GT Goku at base. Much stronger. Baby Vegeta in his first form took a direct punch from SSJ3 Goku and wasn't even hurt. Baby then transformed two times and became even more powerful. Baby Vegeta (3rd form) > Baby Vegeta (1st Form) > SSJ3 GT Goku > Mystic Gohan Buu. Gohan and Buu both out powered SSJ3 Goku in Z, but if he was as strong as Kid Buu at his base in GT (or stronger!), there's no way even their combined power could hold a candle to his SSJ3 power in GT, and Baby Vegeta was even stronger then that. Edited by Psyam, May 10 2009, 07:33 PM.
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| Brian | May 10 2009, 07:47 PM Post #3 |
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Wait, I thought that Goku was weaker in GT up until he turned SSJ4...? |
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| Psyam | May 10 2009, 07:54 PM Post #4 |
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As far as I remember the only hint of that ever was that his small body couldn't sustain SSJ3. I think that was just because he was a child though, not because he was weaker. If Goku said Rildo was at least as strong as Buu, and he was beating Rildo in his base form, then I have to take it as a fact he was far superior to his DBZ self. However, I dislike GT in general. Your perfectly free to disagree and say GT Goku was weaker, though. Quite a few people hold the belief that the GT characters were inferior to the Z ones, I personally don't. |
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| Brian | May 10 2009, 09:57 PM Post #5 |
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No, I don't believe that either. |
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| Trickster | May 10 2009, 10:24 PM Post #6 |
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I don't like gt really, and in my opinion they are weaker, but on the show, the seemed stronger. like Psyam said, rildo was said to be as strong as buu, and goku beat him in base form, so I would agree that baby is the winner, although I do not like that, I personally like buu more, and Z or Gt. |
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| DbzNerd | May 10 2009, 10:45 PM Post #7 |
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4 all who think Uub is stronger than Kid Buu that is false as Uub's power comes from Kid Buu's so once Uub master the control of his power (seems like he did in DBGT) he is equal 2 Kid Buu but lack his czy regeneration. Once Uub fused with Mr.Buu he is most likely equal 2 Super Buu because it will b adding the Kai's back into Kid Buu but without any conflict of power. Majin Uub when fighting Super Baby were evenly match but Uub commented ( GUESS I don't rlly no did he say this) he lost the fight on purpose so therefore if he didn't hold back he could kill Super Baby. Conclusion: Buuhan >> Super Buu >= Majin Uub >= Super Vegeta Edit:  by the way even if u add the monkey form Buuhan can still kill him.
Edited by DbzNerd, May 10 2009, 10:46 PM.
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| + Byakko | May 10 2009, 11:10 PM Post #8 |
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Wasn't Uub the reincarnation of Super Buu at base form? Goku could match Chibi Buu at SS3, and if using the theory that Chibi Buu is stronger than Gohan Buu (Which if there is somebody disagreeing, save it for another topic) and also using the theory that Goku didn't grow weaker (Although I believe he did, just following from Psyam) it'd be obvious that Baby would win.... ...I think... |
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| DbzNerd | May 10 2009, 11:32 PM Post #9 |
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Uub was incarnation of Kid Buu. I believe Goku in DBGt nvr gotten any stronger than he did in DBZ because he reached the height of his power while fighting Kid Buu. The only reason Goku seem so freaking strong in DBGT is because Toei made every1 so so so so so weak (Gohan is the best example of Toei's action) so my theory is Goku was as strong as he was in DBZ but every1 just gotten weak. Uub doesn't get affected by my theory because Toei seems 2 favor him prty much like shown during the first season of DBGT. Therefore he's the best choice we can relate 2 4 making a close estimate of how strong those people rlly r on DBGT. Buuhan >> Super Buu >= Majin Uub > Super Baby That seem 2 b the most accurate. |
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| + Byakko | May 11 2009, 09:47 AM Post #10 |
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So according to you, SS4 never happened? We can tell by the fact that Baby Vegeta be defeated by SS3. Even if Goku did get weaker, if would still be a loss. Enhanced further by Golden Oozaru Baby, SSJ3 Goku from DBZ would be annihilated before he could even hit Baby. The gap between each Saiyan level is insane. I think the general accepted increase is 50x more power than base. So look at it this way, if the famer (with shotgun) had a powerlevel of 1. Somehow he attains SSJ (This is theory), he has a powerlevel of 50. If he attains SS2, he has a powerlevel of 50 x 50 = 2500 Then SS3 = 2500 x 50 = 125000 Then SS4 = 6,250,000 Even taking into account Goku's decrease in strength (if there is one), the increase in his power by just attaining SS4 is insane. Compared with the fact that he had trouble defeating Baby Vegeta (Albiet in his Oozaru form), it's obvious that Buu would lose. |
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| DbzNerd | May 11 2009, 12:34 PM Post #11 |
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When I said Goku nvr gotten stronger I meant his SSJ , SSJ2 , SSJ3 is as strong as it was during his fight with Kid Buu. SSJ4 is a new trans and since new trans equal new power up of course it's stronger. SSJ only increase by 50x in the Freiza saga but the later saga it doesn't. In the later saga SSJ at most will only increase some1s power by 2-3x each level they go up. Power level in the 1st saga doesn't equal power level in the later 1s as I made a thread http://dbzf.co.uk/topic/8073031/1/ which at least 2 me proves that fighters in the early saga is stronger than fighters in the later 1s because they he better showing. At most I c SSJ4 Goku equal 2 Mystic Gohan as they both ( if u believe my Super Buu = Super Baby theory ) dominated a Super Buu level fighter with ease. SSJ4 then equaled with Monkey Baby so they both r at least as strong as Mystic Gohan and we all no Buuhan is stronger than Mystic Gohan so. Buuhan >> Baby Vegeta Edited by DbzNerd, May 11 2009, 12:35 PM.
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| + Byakko | May 11 2009, 12:57 PM Post #12 |
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I have no idea what you mean, the way you type is impossible to read. But I'll assume you mean "SS3 Goku in Z is more powerful than SS3 Goku in GT" Debatable. He only ever used SS3 a few times, and the few times he did, his body couldn't contain it. The belief that Goku is weaker in Chibi Form is because Pilaf said that he was easier to deal with as a kid. Nobody else ever said that he was weaker (Although I could be wrong)
Quotes/ Pictures or it didn't happen. I have my sources:
But you know, if you can get Toriyama to say that the increase is something different, be my guest.
Of course it'd make sense to you, you made the topic. Also, despite the fact that DBGT isn't concidered cannon, I'll go with it.. SS4 Goku is more powerful than Baby Vegeta at Golden Oozaru Level. SS4 Goku is weaker than Shin Shenron. So the enemies get weaker? You can't say that Goku got weaker because he was constantly improving.
YOU see it that way, nobody else does. But again, get Toriyama to say that SS4 Goku is around the same level as Mystic Gohan, then go ahead. I see it that Goku at SS4 is massively stronger than Gohan, at any level. Even if, assuming you're right, Goku is weaker, he is a more skilled and willing fighter. Gohan never had balls. Dragon or normal. He would only fight when backed into a corner. |
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| DbzNerd | May 11 2009, 01:28 PM Post #13 |
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How is it hard 2 read ? I said Goku SSJ, SSJ2, SSJ3 in of course GT is equal 2 Goku in DBZ during his fight against Kid Buu. 2 me Goku nvr gotten weaker in DBGT when he got smaller since SSJ3 Gotenks seem 2 have no problem 2 with his size. Don't have 2 as the manga/anime proven this. If it rlly increase by 50 as u say then Gotenks would of dominated Super Buu harder than Mystic Gohan once he went SSJ3 since in he's SSJ state he putted up & even manage 2 dmg Super Buu. My theory seems prty accurate 2 me of course  u don't have 2 believe it.Not only does the enemy get weaker but the main cast 2. This way Akira can repeat his whole plot like the preview 1 but with different enemy. Example: Peaceful day, New Enemy, So Strong, Threaten Earth, Go Train, Go Fight, The End. All the power ranking I based this stuff is on Uub since Toei seem 2 favor him he wouldn't get so pathetic like Gohan. Therefore Uub if we go by DBZ logic is equal 2 Kid Buu and since Toei don't give a sh8t about this debate try 2 prove me wrong. Don't say it's non canon and those sh8t since we r using DBZ & a DBGT fighter we must make assumption. Since u don't seem 2 no much about DBZ Mystic Gohan is not like ur normal day Gohan he doesn't chock under pressure & the Buutenks fight proved this. In DBZ equals mean overall total of the person's RAW POWER so I said they r equal in raw power and I don't care 4 experience since this isn't a SSJ4 Goku vs Mystic Gohan fight it's a Buuhan vs Monkey Baby's fight so I'm making a good estimate of were they stand. btw u seem 2 mess up Akira Toriyama with Toei  I made that mistake once 2.
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| Psyam | May 11 2009, 03:16 PM Post #14 |
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I'm just going to go straight to the point of the matter, as most of this is irrelevant to this fight.This isn't DBZ logic. it's your logic. It is never stated anywhere in the manga or animé that Uub can't surpass Kid Buu just because he's his reincarnation. It is entirely your own theory, and is what your basing this fight outcome on, correct? I, however, am basing my conclusion that Super Baby would win easily on fact alone. If you can provide some factual arguments as to why Buu would win then I will reply. Your argument that Majuub is as strong as Super Buu holds little ground, as it is not proven. For all you know Fat Buu and Uub fusing could have multiplied their power, not added it. The type of fusion was different to absorption, as well as Uub's power possibly being greater then Kid Buu's in the first place. And, without Majuub's power to compare to Baby's your argument is invalid, but mine still stands. |
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| Trickster | May 11 2009, 06:18 PM Post #15 |
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I agree with Psyam. First off, majuub end up being way stronger than buu was, all because of the fusing. if you remember, piccolo was maybe half as strong as goku when he got on namek. example, they teamed up on nappa and didn't do *****, while goku easily took him out, sure training on king kai's planet made him stronger, but not as strong as goku. when he fused with nail, he was able to take on frieza's form. That shows that fusing doesn't just add a little, it pretty much doubles. so majuub could easily surpass buu's previous power, even buu could of by training. no one is confined to a certain power level. Now back to the actual fight. Super baby took ssj4 goku to take him out, even then it took a little. I can't remember if it was Goku or Gohan that took down super buu, but either way they are weaker than ssj4 goku. and yes, mystic gohan is weaker, he is about the middle of ssj3 and ssj4. |
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