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How strong is Brolly
Tweet Topic Started: Feb 18 2009, 07:36 PM (2,516 Views)
* Psyam	Feb 19 2009, 12:28 PM Post #16
Posts: 1,788 Group: Retired Staff Member #3,439 Joined: May 18, 2008 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime HxH What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga One Piece	I think what SSJVegito is trying to get across is that, though the movie doesn't fit in with the normal time line, Vegito is obviously Super Vegeta in a part of Movie 8. This means Broly has to be above Super Vegeta, because he wasted him. Watch this video clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3N5BlqyjDV0 You can easily tell Vegeta is Super Saiyan 2nd Grade by his hair and body mass, Trunks looks like he is 2nd Grade (Not USSJ like he was Vs. Cell!) as well, but its less clear so I'm not sure on him, but Vegeta definitely is. Picture this, in an alternate universe all goes normal in till Vegeta's battle with 2nd Form Cell. He is not tricked and/or Trunks intervenes and Cell is destroyed, instead of reaching his perfect form. This would mean Vegeta and Trunks are 2nd Grade and defeated Cell, Goku and Gohan are still only SSJ as they didn't need to use the full time chamber period (and would have wanted to save the limited 48 hours for another time) and Goku lives because Cell doesn't blow himself up or host the Cell games because he's dead. Then Broly shows up later... Edited by Psyam, Feb 19 2009, 12:37 PM.



SSJVegito	Feb 19 2009, 12:35 PM Post #17
Ally to good. Nightmare to you. Posts: 436 Group: Member Member #3,979 Joined: February 11, 2009 Favourite Anime Neon Genesis Evangelion. Dragonball Z. Rurouni Kenshin. What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Neon Genesis Evangelion. Dragonball/Z. FMA.	Edit: Deleted what I said as someone understands me. But DBZNerd I think you need to rewatch the movie or you would've caught that. I would like to know where YOU think Broly would fit into the arc since you keep trying to make it seem like he does though. Edited by SSJVegito, Feb 19 2009, 12:41 PM.



SSJVegito	Feb 19 2009, 12:37 PM Post #18
Ally to good. Nightmare to you. Posts: 436 Group: Member Member #3,979 Joined: February 11, 2009 Favourite Anime Neon Genesis Evangelion. Dragonball Z. Rurouni Kenshin. What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Neon Genesis Evangelion. Dragonball/Z. FMA.	Psyam Feb 19 2009, 12:28 PM I think what SSJVegito is trying to get across is that, though the movie doesn't fit in with the normal time line, Vegito is obviously Super Vegeta in a part of Movie 8. This means Broly has to be above Super Vegeta, because he wasted him. Watch this video clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3N5BlqyjDV0 You can easily tell Vegeta is Super Saiyan 2nd Grade by his hair and body mass, Trunks looks like he is 2nd Grade (Not USSJ like he was Vs. Cell!) as well, but its less clear so I'm not sure on him, but Vegeta definitely is. Yep pretty much. Thank you for that. At least someone understands what I'm getting at. It's not supposed to fit the main arc.



DbzNerd	Feb 19 2009, 01:16 PM Post #19
Posts: 355 Group: Member Member #3,761 Joined: October 21, 2008 Favourite Anime hunter x hunter, girls bravo Favourite Manga dbz, hunter x hunter, to love-ru	Go pause at 0:29 you can clearly c his muscle mass isn't that huge but right after he was re shown his muscle mass suddenly double in size. I actually watched that part on YouTube quite alot srsly as that part rlly confuses me. SSJVegito I would like to know where YOU think Broly would fit into the arc since you keep trying to make it seem like he does though. What??? when did I said Brolly would fit into any arc. If u read my post I said ALTERNATE TIMELINE. Psyam Picture this, in an alternate universe all goes normal in till Vegeta's battle with 2nd Form Cell. He is not tricked and/or Trunks intervenes and Cell is destroyed, instead of reaching his perfect form. This would mean Vegeta and Trunks are 2nd Grade and defeated Cell, Goku and Gohan are still only SSJ as they didn't need to use the full time chamber period (and would have wanted to save the limited 48 hours for another time) and Goku lives because Cell doesn't blow himself up or host the Cell games because he's dead. Then Broly shows up later... O that a very good point u just posted there very good but there is still 2 much holes in that theory. Goku & Gohan went into the chamber when Vegeta was dueling with Semi Perfect Cell so they still would have ascend 2 the MSSJ lvl so powerwise Gohan is still the strongest fighter. Clearly in the movie they disagree with this as power scaling goes Brolly > Goku > Vegeta >= Trunks > Piccolo > Gohan there4 it couldn't b. Edited by DbzNerd, Feb 19 2009, 01:29 PM.



* Psyam	Feb 19 2009, 01:22 PM Post #20
Posts: 1,788 Group: Retired Staff Member #3,439 Joined: May 18, 2008 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime HxH What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga One Piece	What are you on about? When he transforms from his base his muscle mass doubles in size, normal SSJ doesn't increase your muscle mass by that amount. He's 2nd grade. Anyway, I'm going to re watch the entire movie again now, just to look it over once more.



DbzNerd	Feb 19 2009, 01:31 PM Post #21
Posts: 355 Group: Member Member #3,761 Joined: October 21, 2008 Favourite Anime hunter x hunter, girls bravo Favourite Manga dbz, hunter x hunter, to love-ru	Edit: LOL I rewatch that part 4 like 29x and I'll agree with u guys Vegeta was definitely a USSJ. Ok if indeed he beated USSJ Vegeta then I'll rank Brolly power wise a bit lower than Perfect Cell the 1 that USSJ Vegeta fought. Prove when USSJ Vegeta kicked Brolly he manage 2 at least flitch him but when USSJ Vegeta was focusing all his attack into his attack and kick Cell he didn't even flitch 1 bit. Perfect Cell 1st apperance > LSSJ Brolly >> USSJ Vegeta Accurate enough. Edited by DbzNerd, Feb 19 2009, 01:42 PM.



* Psyam	Feb 19 2009, 01:44 PM Post #22
Posts: 1,788 Group: Retired Staff Member #3,439 Joined: May 18, 2008 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime HxH What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga One Piece	Normal SSJ does not increase muscle to over twice its normal size. He's Super Vegeta. I don't know how you can't see that. Is it just my eyes or can someone back me up here? :/ Edit: Didn't see your most recent post. We agree that Broly is at least above Super Vegeta then. Edited by Psyam, Feb 19 2009, 01:46 PM.



DbzNerd	Feb 19 2009, 02:01 PM Post #23
Posts: 355 Group: Member Member #3,761 Joined: October 21, 2008 Favourite Anime hunter x hunter, girls bravo Favourite Manga dbz, hunter x hunter, to love-ru	Actually I have an another theory based on urs Psyam. Cell absorbed 18 and became Perfect and starts fighting with USSJ Vegeta. USSJ Vegeta charges his Final Flash and blasted at Cell but instead of evading it, it obliberated him. USSJ Vegeta killed Perfect Cell between the time of Gohan mastering the SSJ transformation in the Time Chamber. Tien or Piccolo came in and told them Cell is dead so Goku & Gohan decided they didn't need extra training anymore (this could explain y the power scaling is so off). If this theory indeed is accurate (seems accurate 2 me) then Goku & Gohan wasn't MSSJ if we follow the timeline of when Cell got hit by the Final Flash. Edited: Perfect Cell > LSSJ Brolly > USSJ Vegeta > SSJ Goku > SSJ Vegeta > SSJ Trunks > Piccolo > SSJ Gohan This theory prty much solves the movie 8 background if u guys beleive me. Edited by DbzNerd, Feb 19 2009, 02:12 PM.



* Psyam	Feb 19 2009, 02:10 PM Post #24
Posts: 1,788 Group: Retired Staff Member #3,439 Joined: May 18, 2008 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime HxH What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga One Piece	Yeah either theory would probably fit. Goku would still be strong because he was training in the hyperbolic time chamber, but Gohan was weaker as he'd only just reached SSJ. That explains how Gohan got trashed as well, while Goku and the others managed to take some hits.



DbzNerd	Feb 19 2009, 03:24 PM Post #25
Posts: 355 Group: Member Member #3,761 Joined: October 21, 2008 Favourite Anime hunter x hunter, girls bravo Favourite Manga dbz, hunter x hunter, to love-ru	My theory pwnz with this clip http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwEH8ptvV3U



SSJVegito	Feb 19 2009, 06:53 PM Post #26
Ally to good. Nightmare to you. Posts: 436 Group: Member Member #3,979 Joined: February 11, 2009 Favourite Anime Neon Genesis Evangelion. Dragonball Z. Rurouni Kenshin. What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Neon Genesis Evangelion. Dragonball/Z. FMA.	Good enough. I'm tired of debating it anyway. Haha.



Sam	Feb 19 2009, 10:53 PM Post #27
It takes a mere second for treasure to turn to trash. Posts: 24,391 Group: Community Admin Member #415 Joined: April 21, 2005 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragonball/Z/Super, Hellsing Ultimate, Naruto/Shippuden, Death Note, Hunter x Hunter, FMA:B What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Dragonball/Z/Super, Naruto/Shippuden, One Piece, Hellsing, Death Note	Broly [Movie 10] = Super Saiyan 2
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SSJVegito	Feb 19 2009, 11:33 PM Post #28
Ally to good. Nightmare to you. Posts: 436 Group: Member Member #3,979 Joined: February 11, 2009 Favourite Anime Neon Genesis Evangelion. Dragonball Z. Rurouni Kenshin. What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Neon Genesis Evangelion. Dragonball/Z. FMA.	I'd say a little higher than SSJ2 but we've all agreed to drop the topic of movie 10 as no one can agree upon Gohan's level in that movie. After looking into it I firmly believe he was a SSJ2 at least his first transformation against Broly. His hair stood a little straighter and instead of two locks of hair hanging down he only had one whereas later he had two. Of course there has been inconsistencies in that as well. But then there's the issue of the lack of electric aura. But I think it was a mistake especially after reading up on it seeing this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xE7I3Jmgk08 It starts the transformation with the electricity before he's SSJ2 and then after the transformation at 1:23 there's no aura, at 1:40 there is and at 1:44 on there isn't again. There's more like that, I'm just too lazy to look them up. I'm going with yes he was SSJ2 but I guess we'll never know for sure. Edited by SSJVegito, Feb 20 2009, 12:29 AM.



rmmaniac09	Feb 20 2009, 12:37 AM Post #29
Posts: 148 Group: Member Member #3,896 Joined: January 5, 2009 Favourite Anime Dragon Ball/ Z/GT, Gundam 00 What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga DB/Z manga	Well then with this new theory you guys agreed on than that means Gohan was definitely not a SSJ2 in movie 10. You guys said in the other timeline that Vegeta killed Cell with his final flash and trunks and tien told Goku and Gohan so they stopped training. Cell was killed by Vegeta and there was no Cell games where Gohan transformed SSJ2. I think you guys can figure the rest.



SSJVegito	Feb 20 2009, 12:52 AM Post #30
Ally to good. Nightmare to you. Posts: 436 Group: Member Member #3,979 Joined: February 11, 2009 Favourite Anime Neon Genesis Evangelion. Dragonball Z. Rurouni Kenshin. What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Neon Genesis Evangelion. Dragonball/Z. FMA.	The theory's are for those trying to rationalize the timeline. I really don't care either way. I don't take them as cannon and don't need background on the situation. There's no way to tell whether or not Gohan was SSJ2. As the facts point both ways. It's best to just take the movies as they are. I'D like to think he's SSJ2 but that's just my interpretation. Edited by SSJVegito, Feb 20 2009, 12:52 AM.



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