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What would you do...
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Temphis	Feb 19 2009, 01:12 AM Post #46
Rampaging Explosion of Euphoric Glory! Posts: 1,223 Group: Member Member #3,903 Joined: January 6, 2009 Gender Male Favourite Anime Ghost in the Shell: S.A.C., Katananagari, Mushishi, Full Metal: Brotherhood, CowboyBeebop, Monster What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Gantz, Berserk, One Punch Man, Dragon Ball, One Piece, Attack on Titan, Re: Monster, (no more room)	as far as undergoing surgery as an answer to people with a mental illness, it might be more productive for them to just get some theropy instead, though my sphycology teacher had a person like that she worked with, that ended up getting the sex change anyway. if it is a mental illness, than perhaps I shrink can help them cope with it. Narcisists can't take medicine and get better, since their mind set is that their isn't anything wrong with them to begin with. similar cases could probably apply to people who struggle with this. either way, I don't feel It's good for people to have sex changes unless it's benificial for them sphycologically. I feel the same way about marriage and people who can't seem to feel any sort of intamacy, simply because it would be unhealthy sphycologically if they went and did it because they feel it's the right thing to do. if someone, for example, has homosexual feelings, but dosn't want to act on them and desires to be married to the opposite sex and have a family, it won't neccesarily work, since they may not have the mental capacity to feel the same about the opposite sex as they do their own. now the thing is, even if someone does make a decision we may not personally agree with, we do need to treat them the way they want to be treated, unless of course they are asking us to do things we don't want to do, but that is completely different from how they want us to treat them. I mean, what else can you do with out offending them? ask them to change their sex back?lol yeah, I'm sure it wasn't expensive or anything... so yeah, I can imagine how I would act around transgendered people now, I hadn't given it much thought before, so this topic has been enlightening for me



Meowth	Feb 19 2009, 09:05 AM Post #47
=._.= Posts: 130,670 Group: Princess Member #23 Joined: November 22, 2004 Gender Female Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya What Browser do you use? FireFox Favourite Manga Fruits Basket	Dr. House Feb 18 2009, 10:25 PM Plastic surgery ranges from necessity to personal gain. There are funds organized for both, just like there are fund organized for aids and cancer. The money isn't the same. In fact, Everyone who wants plastic surgery can get it because it exists. People pay thousands for this, and that is their right. I believe necessiry plastic surgery here can fall under NHS treatment, so it wouldn't cost the patiant much or anything, though don't quote me on that, I'm not 100% certain and I think it might have strict criteria for obvious reasons. Quote: If it's psychological then shouldn't they be 'cured' of the illness. When somebody is Depressed, Schizophrenic etc then they are treated in order to remove the illness. Treated to remove is the same thing as curing right? Some mental illness are never cured, it depends on the person, some do get treated through therapy as oppose to just sticking them on medication. Depends on what it is. Quote: At the end of the day, i'll be damned if every single one of you that is reading this topic doesn't walk away having learned something about them. I'd hope that you've learned something youself



Mcgeezle	Feb 19 2009, 03:02 PM Post #48
Heeeey...this isn't my house! >_< Posts: 507 Group: Member Member #3,751 Joined: October 17, 2008 Favourite Anime Fruits basket, Azumanga Daioh, Elfin Lied, School Rumble What Browser do you use? Firefox/Safari Favourite Manga Magical X Miracle	I'm going to be as honest as I can, I've been keeping an eye on this topic for while - but didn't post while I was thinking things over. Honestly and truly, if they were strangers to me then I would be able to accept them easily because I won't have known them before they got all the operations done, and all I would see is a regular person stood before me. I'd ask questions and try and learn more about the processes, if that wasn't sensitive territory for them. On the other hand if I had known them before the procedures, I'm not going to deny that it wouldn't be easy for me to accept because I would always have memories of what they were like and I'd have to keep reminding myself that they aren't that person anymore. I'm not saying it would damage our relationship, or that I'd shun them out of fear or ignorance. I'd still love them regardless and would eventually come to terms with the fact that they are happier like this. I think it all comes down to how much of a relationship I had with them at the end of it all.
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* Mitas	Feb 19 2009, 04:15 PM Post #49
It truly was a Shawshank redemption Posts: 12,129 Group: Retired Staff Member #2,993 Joined: December 16, 2007 Gender Male Favourite Anime DBZ What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga DBZ, Full Metal Alchemist	Quote: And whoever stood by Kudo's joke of, "I would either punch or kick them. I am the alpha male! gimme the trophy. ", you should be completely ashamed of yourself. I don't stand by that joke at all, I do think it's ignorant and insensitive. What I was trying to say is that I can understand what he was saying as I know people who think like that. Heck it's not hard to find people who think like that because it's quite common place in today's society, which is why I said it's normal and natural. However if a person isn't willing to try and understand what they went through then that is wrong. Like Kotetsu (House) said, you wouldn't be this ignorant towards Alzheimers sufferers. I think one of the reasons people do have that attitude though is because it is such a radical change. I mean completely changing your gender, it can't get much more out there than that. I actually had a discussion with my mum about this a few weeks ago and I was quite interested in finding out it's causes and such. And for the record Kotetsu I did take a look at the articles you gave. I think the most recent one was 2003, and I read one from late 2006 that said there was no link between sexual preferece and the Hypothalamus, just gender. http://etransgender.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=510 These articles are only certain studies though. I'm sure there are plenty of others all with different findings, which is why there is no concrete cause as of yet.
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Meowth	Feb 19 2009, 04:34 PM Post #50
=._.= Posts: 130,670 Group: Princess Member #23 Joined: November 22, 2004 Gender Female Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya What Browser do you use? FireFox Favourite Manga Fruits Basket	Mitas Feb 19 2009, 04:15 PM I think one of the reasons people do have that attitude though is because it is such a radical change. I mean completely changing your gender, it can't get much more out there than that. There's a guy who was tattoed as leapod I think and one as a lizard who had his tounge cut specially, I mean that's way more out there that a sex change in my opinion.



* Mitas	Feb 19 2009, 04:39 PM Post #51
It truly was a Shawshank redemption Posts: 12,129 Group: Retired Staff Member #2,993 Joined: December 16, 2007 Gender Male Favourite Anime DBZ What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga DBZ, Full Metal Alchemist	Dr. Foreman Feb 19 2009, 04:34 PM Mitas Feb 19 2009, 04:15 PM I think one of the reasons people do have that attitude though is because it is such a radical change. I mean completely changing your gender, it can't get much more out there than that. There's a guy who was tattoed as leapod I think and one as a lizard who had his tounge cut specially, I mean that's way more out there that a sex change in my opinion. I can see where you're coming from, but I think changing gender is a lot more radical. I mean personally I see a guy tattoed as a leopard (I did see something on a programme about it) and I just think "Woah he's a little bit weird" but it doesn't really change his lifestyle. Same with the lizard man. But changing gender completely changes how you live your life and is altering both how your body works and looks.
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* -Zero-	Feb 19 2009, 04:41 PM Post #52
Black Knight Posts: 8,697 Group: Retired Staff Member #1,874 Joined: November 5, 2006 Favourite Anime Code Geass, Death Note, Dragonball/Z	I didnt read all 4 pages, but what would happen? Nothing. What difference would it make to me? It still is the same person you were talking to a few minutes ago. One thing I can say is that I would date the person(think of me as you want, but in reality that person would still be a male no matter how much they change in themselves. And if you ask me if a girl changed to a guy, im sorry but I wouldnt date her either, no disrespect for them. As I said think of me as you want, at least I dont go around lying to myself and others. however why would I have less respect? Same person, same ideals, same values
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Meowth	Feb 19 2009, 04:42 PM Post #53
=._.= Posts: 130,670 Group: Princess Member #23 Joined: November 22, 2004 Gender Female Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya What Browser do you use? FireFox Favourite Manga Fruits Basket	Well changing yourself into a lizard is going to change your life because if your toungue is split, it's going to change how you eat, same with the leapod person, diffrent nose shape so diffrent sense of smell. Changing gender isn't really radical, it's major but it's nothing that people should be blown away by.



Temphis	Feb 19 2009, 11:46 PM Post #54
Rampaging Explosion of Euphoric Glory! Posts: 1,223 Group: Member Member #3,903 Joined: January 6, 2009 Gender Male Favourite Anime Ghost in the Shell: S.A.C., Katananagari, Mushishi, Full Metal: Brotherhood, CowboyBeebop, Monster What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Gantz, Berserk, One Punch Man, Dragon Ball, One Piece, Attack on Titan, Re: Monster, (no more room)	and so, are you saying changing gender wouldn't change how you live radically? I do think that Gender Roles are somthing that are hard to learn/relearn when you've lived a certain gender role your whole life, and then decide to change it. Genders have life styles. society dosn't really have a problem with people making themselves look different, if someone where to tatoo and pierced their body until they looked like some sort of inhuman monster thing in the shape of a human, sure they loose plenty of job oppertunities, and they may need sphycological help, but they still have the same roles in society otherwise, for the most part, though I doubt they could do alot of them like that very well. they don't have to relearn anything, they just need assistance financially to live lol. but the gender role thing, that is somthing that can't be entierly learned, since aspects of life are learned as a child, not when your 20 or so and have a gender crises. I dunno, I can immagine it's hard to ever have a normal life after you change your gender. Edited by Temphis, Feb 19 2009, 11:49 PM.



* Mitas	Feb 19 2009, 11:59 PM Post #55
It truly was a Shawshank redemption Posts: 12,129 Group: Retired Staff Member #2,993 Joined: December 16, 2007 Gender Male Favourite Anime DBZ What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga DBZ, Full Metal Alchemist	That's another thing Transexuals face. They go through all the surgery, psychological preperation and trauma to have a normal life when after it's all done it's hard for them to have a normal life in today's society. There is a lot of predjudice towards them (I'm not part of this by the way) which makes it hard for them to fit in. Also, despite what I can imagine is extreme measures taken, they will probably have some employers who wouldn't hire them because of the sex change. Then there's finding a partner. A lot of people wouldn't be comfortable dating a woman that used to be a man, me being one of them. In a lot of people's minds they would always be women that used to be men and not women full stop. This isn't helped by the constant experiments and research done into it because it further enhances the 'difference' surrounding them. I read that there are quite a few transexuals who campaign against the research done into it because it makes it harder for them to lead normal lives.
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~~Haze55~~	Feb 20 2009, 03:19 AM Post #56
~Out on the Tiles~ Posts: 921 Group: Suspended Member #1,787 Joined: October 5, 2006	I would probably want to ask it a few questions, maybe pick it's head a little. After all, how many opportunities do you get in your life to talk to a tranny?



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