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Get your frustration out
Topic Started: Jan 26 2009, 10:55 PM (716 Views)
BigFan
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Hello everyone,
The title pretty much gives this thread away. Just goes nuts over what pissed you off in GT and how you would have preferred it to be like. Try not to swear as much as possible and have fun :) Since, I started this thread, I'll go first :)
This is what I thought about GT:
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It wasn't crazy good or bad either. I am a bit neutral on it, though, I believe there are a ton of flaws, plot holes, etc.... that they introduced in GT. I watched all 64 episodes this last 5 days and I'm done, but, I didn't like the ending. I wanted to see the other characters get a chance, but, goku was a kid and the central one. They basically made all the Z fighters weak and need goku's help even vegeta who was determined to reach higher levels was weak. Gohan which is my fav character was smacked around by most enemies even by that metal general. Some of the enemies could have used some work and sagas could have been much more expanded upon and given some backstories to explain how things got to where they are. Example is the super android 17 saga. How did android 17 come back? I mean he was absorbed by cell and cell was destroyed, thus, he shouldn't even be on earth, but, he is. In terms of Trunks and Pan, I don't think they are all that bad of characters. I mean they probably wanted to change it from the usual character, thus, use Pan as one of the main ones. Her attitude is what made it interesting at least for some of the episodes, but, of course, she can be annoying in some cases, but, what do you expect? Her mother is videl, grandmother and grandfather are Chi Chi and Mr. Satan, so, its no wonder she likes to boss others around. Personally, I enjoyed some of those moments, but, as a whole, some of the sagas as I explained above needed a lot more work, so, expanded them, add more twists as long as they make sure to have no plot holes, they needed to fix the whole power issue(SS3 goku shook the earth in buu saga, goku in baby saga turned into a giant ape and then with Pan reminding him of who he is, changed into SS4, but, nothing like what happened in SS3 ensued, so, there was no intense shaking at all. Yes, I know he was on the tufules' planet in that saga, so, maybe there is a difference between that planet and earth, but, he became SS4 on earth against Omega Shenron and there was none of those same effects. One of the things I liked about dbz and that drew me to it is the effects with IMO were very well done in dbz(never watched db). Favourite part of dbz was when Gohan powered to SS2 in the tournament and Goku went SS3, because, of the intensity of the situation(effects), but, unfortunately, that was gone with GT. Also, since, when does Vegeta rely on devices to become more powerful(used blataz waves to get to SS4), whatever happened to the accomplish everything without anyone's help. Finally, the ending which was a bit of a tipping point is the fact that the two families(Goku's and Vegeta's) never knew each other and they never explained what happened after Goku left. I mean he left his family just like that and his family was fine with it? Come on, did we forgot how upset Chi Chi was when he died before or back when he left to train uub at the end of the buu saga, they were asking him to stay and seemed more concerned, but, now Chi Chi asks if he is coming back, he doesn't reply and they all go home happy with no clue if he's coming back? That's really hard to swallow. The ending I wanted was one where all of the fighters who died are in heaven laughing similar to that party they had back after buu was defeated, with maybe Goku and Vegeta fighting. That would have ended GT perfectly in my opinion, but, now you're left to wonder what events occurred after the shadow dragons saga. You could also add Goku talking to Pan after those 100 years just to tell her he misses her and that everything and everyone is fine and they all can't wait to see her again if you get what I mean. I saw "A hero's legacy" and while it wasn't bad, it seemed to give an idea that they all passed away(not sure if all though, since, we only see Pan in cemetry praying infront of one grave stone), but, goku jr. still doesn't have a clue about his great great grandparents identity or about the Saiyan race. The whole point of the Freize saga in dbz is to explain some of this and the series revolved more around Goku, Gohan, Vegeta than some of the other characters due to the Saiyan race thing, so, showing Goku jr. and Vegeta jr. having no idea what it is that they are turning into just destroyed the plot of dbz which I am not too happy about and wish Akira interfered at that point. Its similar to teaching someone how to fish only to tell them to go to the store to buy fish, never to catch any(Teach, explain and emphasize how powerful the Saiyan race is throughout dbz only to have the great great grandsons have no clue about it after all those episodes, feels like a waste). In conclusion, if they did that ending I recommend, I would have been much happier, but, since, they already did the ending way back and won't be changing it anytime soon, I prefer dbz's ending much more because at least everyone is still alive and kicking instead of having everyone dead to finish the series which IMO isn't a good ending.
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I'm done now, enjoy the nice long read :p
Edited by BigFan, Jan 26 2009, 11:05 PM.
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Jeez GT...Watching that series I just found it baffling that anyone involved worked on the past DB TV shows. They just completely lost the essence of what made either show good. They at first tried to turn it into a redux of the original Dragonball and while I love that series, nobody wanted that, they wanted more Z. So they finally realized this and tried to move it more towards the Z style but they still failed. The fighting sucked. The stories and enemies sucked. Rehashed plotlines (Vegeta taken over again!) , etc... They raped the cast and made everyone but Goku useless. Pan was just an annoying character and sort of a focus group creation from that period of the 90s. They even showed the future of the characters in one episode which was just dismal and depressing (Nobody else had kids? Everyone gave up fighting?) The only thing I really liked was the theme song and background music in the Japanese versions. What a wasted opportunity.
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Jan 28 2009, 11:00 PM
Jeez GT...Watching that series I just found it baffling that anyone involved worked on the past DB TV shows. They just completely lost the essence of what made either show good. They at first tried to turn it into a redux of the original Dragonball and while I love that series, nobody wanted that, they wanted more Z. So they finally realized this and tried to move it more towards the Z style but they still failed. The fighting sucked. The stories and enemies sucked. Rehashed plotlines (Vegeta taken over again!) , etc... They raped the cast and made everyone but Goku useless. Pan was just an annoying character and sort of a focus group creation from that period of the 90s. They even showed the future of the characters in one episode which was just dismal and depressing (Nobody else had kids? Everyone gave up fighting?) The only thing I really liked was the theme song and background music in the Japanese versions. What a wasted opportunity.
I watched the dub, since, I watched dubbed dbz, not the sub, so, I wanted to keep the same actors, etc.... That's what I also found baffling. I mean the baby saga was pretty bad and the way vegeta looked after he was taken over was just pathetic, definitely needed a better artist :) The shadow dragons and hunting for the dragonballs wasn't too bad though, at least it fit in with the previous stories and there were less plot holes. I also heard about that fact, that they tried the humour approach from dragonball to fighting like dbz, but, the fighting wasn't captivating. Making goku the only person to fight and having everyone else as useless was just plain ridiculous. No offense, but, who was the idiot who thought of that idea? Yes, I know that Gohan, Goten and Trunks are less powerful because, for one, they don't train anymore and they live the normal lifestyle, but, to be competely useless. What about Vegeta? Has he become such a softy? I was hoping he'll be a lot stronger and at least help Goku. The future episode you are referring to is the last one where we see Pan after 100 years and she's now a grandmother and then we see Goku jr. and Vegeta jr. fighting. Your questions there are very valid and the reason I was disappointed with GT besides the other points I mentioned. They never explained who married who, how come the families don't know each other, etc.... I mean the two families went through hell together yet they just decided to break the ties like that. At least, give a better explanation. The special "A hero's legacy" didn't explain much either. Personally, it was a waste of my time. Oh, just remembered something about Vegeta and bulma. According to future trunks, he said that Vegeta and Bulma's love was quick for lack of a better word, he mentioned that she goes back to Yamacha(sp?), but, in GT, they have another child called Bulla? Another plothole if I'm not mistaken. Anyways, anyone else wanna contribute. I was confident, there'll be more people wanting to spill their anger :D One other question, likely answer is no though, but, do you guys think we might see another db series where it continues from dbz and not dbgt, because, in dbgt, they killed everyone off, so, they have nothing to work with unlike dbz where everyone is alive and kicking :D
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GT had some cool concepts such as, Super Sayian 4, Golden Giant Apes and the bad guys. But WTF?!!?!

They ended it with no possible way of ever continuing the series!! Goku flies away on the Dragon and then it forwards many years into the future when everyone was dead except Pan (Who was old as *****!), verifying that he never returned in all those years and then it was over! What the hell?! Basically, Dragonball GT killed all creative ideas that a new DBZ series might have had because no matter what they do now, it will make no sense! DBZ can't make any new sayian levels because GT went so far into the future, that we would know that nothing actually happened! It's all because Akira Toriyama had no creative control over GT and they didn't care what he had to say. He himself didn't even agree with or like GT! They are idiots and they ruined alot of potential it could have had in the future.

It is probably best to forget about GT and all damage that it has been done and let them make a new DBZ with Akira back in control and accept everything they have to offer because he will make it with more care and they will make the quality of the animation better than the original DBZ and not revert to something lesser like GT did. Seriously, why did GT look older than DBZ?!!? They are so stupid!

GT had so much potential. How do you go from making an idea as cool as Black Star Dragonballs being scattered across the universe after a wish to the next 30 episodes after that being boring as *****!? And who decided that we wanted Goku to be a kid again?! He was kicking so much ***** as an adult and then they made him a kid! Why do you think DBZ was more successful than it Predecessor, Dragonball?? Because Goku grew up into a cool adult who people would take alittle more seriously!! Wow... They f'd up....
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Oh! And another thing! The entire basis of the entire series, "The Dragonballs"!! Are not allowed to be used agian becuase they were over used??!! What the hell was that about?! Isn't that something Kami and/or Piccolo could have said or at least even knew for that matter?? I mean, Kami did create them. Wouldn't he be the one who decided on such absurd rules?

"These are the Dragonballs. I made them for Earth and for the Earthlings to use... But you can't use them. Ever..."

Dear GT, YOU SUCK!!!
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The begining of DBgt alrdy turned into garbage. I mean suddenly a Red Dragon made a wish and turn Goku small then they must search 4 the DB in outer space cause the Planet will explode? If they Heros of the DBgt series will use common sense they would of just use the Green Dragon 2 either wish the Red Dragon Balls back 2 Earth or wish the Earth being undestroyable that would of made more sense than another meaningless quest.
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Feb 2 2009, 03:43 AM
The begining of DBgt alrdy turned into garbage. I mean suddenly a Red Dragon made a wish and turn Goku small then they must search 4 the DB in outer space cause the Planet will explode? If they Heros of the DBgt series will use common sense they would of just use the Green Dragon 2 either wish the Red Dragon Balls back 2 Earth or wish the Earth being undestroyable that would of made more sense than another meaningless quest.
You make an interesting point. It never occurred to me to use the green dragon to wish the red dragon balls to earth. I am assuming that he'll say that he can't do it or something along those lines, but, an interesting theory no doubt.
@R-Mak Glad to see another person agrees and you also made some good points. I think most dbz fans hate GT because it really screwed up badly. I agree that SS4, golden oozaru and some of the bad guys weren't too bad, but, I have to say that I hated how easy it was for baby to take over the human population including Goten, Gohan and Vegeta. I mean they could have easily shown that Vegeta killed baby with Goten or Gohan I mean how can he move through the energy beam, wouldn't he get hurt at least? I also have to say that making Goku a kid and the only character to win EVERY fight was the most ridiculous idea ever. I mean come on, since, when does Shenron even the red one take people's wishes without the person saying that he wants it done? So, lets say Goku said I wish I was immortal and Shenron heard him, would he have become an immoral? Yes, I know Goku wouldn't wish for that, but, just an example to illustrate my point. It was obviously clear that Pilaf was talking to Goku and not the dragon when he wished that Goku was a kid :) I do have to admit though that the lost episodes weren't too bad, but, a lot of episodes later on were infact bad and that whole general one was pretty odd :)
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I do like the kid Goku in GT. What disapointed me more than anything was that it had nothing to do with the other characters.
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Feb 8 2009, 04:31 PM
I do like the kid Goku in GT. What disapointed me more than anything was that it had nothing to do with the other characters.
I think we all shared the same frustration :D
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Ally to good. Nightmare to you.

Well I hated Pan. Hated that Trunks became such a pansy and dressed stupid. I felt that SSJ4 was overused. It was awesome against Baby but it lost it's appeal. It was becoming like SSJ in Z once everyone could do it. Just not cool anymore. The enemy's were pathetic. I did feel that the ending was DB worthy. It just ended really well. Made me almost cry.
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