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| Tweet Topic Started: Jan 19 2009, 02:11 AM (1,294 Views) | |
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Jan 19 2009, 02:11 AM Post #1 |
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I very recently had this discusion with a close friend of mine. Apparently she is told to treat every race the same because God made everyone equally; therefore I'd like to bring up this idea on the forum. Also because alot of you people think I'm a racist at heart, which is absolutley not true. I don't believe many people can be born racist, racism is usually fed to you by your parents or your surroundings. I live in a more hostile than not nieghbourhood. In fact, just this weekend some black guy tried to rob my friends' car. While me and my friend were in it, without resorting to any violence of any kind we left the situation without any bruises and with his car. Another example, in my district at a certain hour whenever the door rings not me, but all of my friends, both black and white we'll make sure that we'll be answering the door in one peice. Racism is something that you are nurtured with, you can't look at my baby picture and tell me I am the hate of the world, I was born and raised in this neighbourhood, I've seen my share of good and bad, white and black. I'll be very honest and say the majority of violence instigators are black. (around my parts) I'm not saying every single black person is a bad person, nor am i saying only white people are the cause of violence. Although through my personal experience I have every right to look over my shoulder when I walk passed the opposite color in the streets. Most people that I have talked to on this board are very liberal about this issue, you seem to me like the type of people who claim me to be a racist at heart, also to mention; you claim that you are pure of heart and you've always and will always say to to racism. I have to assume that nothing major has ever happened to you, and that you live in some white sub urbian town where everybody on the block, or probably everybody in the district is white! Of course if that is your situation there's almost no chance in hell that you've been nurtured into a rather prejudice or sterotypical environment. Shoot Away. remeber; Nature or Nurture: you can't choose both.  *btw my friend in fact lives in a part of the city where crime is practicly 0%... surburbia for lack of a better word. Edited by .Punxx, Jan 19 2009, 02:12 AM.
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| Temphis | Jan 19 2009, 03:28 AM Post #2 |
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I feel your views are simply based on the experiences that you've had. most people that are raised in those circumstances I feel would share similar feelings as you do. I don't think your racist, and you certainly don't hate other races from the sounds of it, but It sounds like you've had some rough times, and most of it caused by other people of other races. well, I don't have any problem with your views, though I'm not sure if you fully stated how you feel altogether, and I'm sure I'd feel the same in the same circumstances. I live in a suburb of Atlanta, don't have any problems here at all, so I don't know what it's like to have people break into my car, though I have had a license plate stolen by someone that lives in my neighborhood and foolishly put it on their car. it sounds to me as if your at the point where it's just hard to trust blacks, since some the blacks you live around act like that. thats completely understandable, and that dosn't make you racist at all, it's simply based on experiences. dosn't mean your insensitive towards blacks or anything. |
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| UssjTrunks | Jan 19 2009, 05:07 AM Post #3 |
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Hey don't feel bad I'm black myself and when I walk down the street past other black people I have a tendency to look behind me too. I I'm the kind of guy who wouldn't hurt a fly, I could never do anything to hurt anyone else even if I tried, unless it was like self defense or something. I go against many of the stereotypes made towards my race. Occasionally something bad might happen around here but I don't let any of the negativity influence my life. But i guess it comes down to where and how you were brought up. They don't respect others because they haven't been respected. If a white person is born and brought up in a rough neighborhood chances are he will have a violent nature where all he knows is to look towards violence and negative ways to settle things. Let any black guy be born and raised in a good neighborhood, chances are he'll be as good as the people around him. And I don't think you are racist at all, it's just the experiences you've been through that got you to think that way which is understandable. |
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| Mcgeezle | Jan 19 2009, 09:50 AM Post #4 |
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Surely that would count as "surroundings", no? I don't think I've ever claimed to be "pure of heart" - partially because of the passing thoughts in my head sometimes, and because of the way I can get when I'm upset. But I will say one thing - not one of the thoughts that pass through my head is racist, I just wasn't raised that way and it just never occurs to me. You say that not every black person is a bad person, yet you see it as all right to use derogatory names when referring to them? Also I'd like to point out that you make it seem like racism is black Vs white, when in fact it goes deeper than just prejudice against black people and whether they are more guilty of committing crimes; racism can take place without black people even being involved. I'd also like to point out that you're contradicting yourself, referring back to
You make it sound like you have been fed racism by the surrounding you live in which you said was very hostile, so where does that put you? I think everyone I speak to on a regular basis on here knows my views on racism, and that I'm very laidback, hard to upset and can take a joke, but there is a fine line. I'm not going to be drawn into a debate about this so I'll leave it there... |
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| Meowth | Jan 19 2009, 10:27 AM Post #5 |
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Just something I would like to point out, black is not a race, nither is white, those are two diffrent types of skin colour. But specifics aside because some people don't like going that far. I can't help but feel this topic is a way for you to tell people you aren't racist Punxx, something that doesn't warrent a debate. If you want to talk about if racism is natural or enviromental, it is enviromental for obvious reasons, when you are born, you can't tell the race of your mother, you don't care. You learn about it as you go on, depending on your perants views and your friends, that's how you build your opinion. Also note, having friends of a diffrent race than you doesn't mean you can't be racist. |
 
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| + Byakko | Jan 19 2009, 11:15 AM Post #6 |
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I'm not a racist. At least I believe I'm not. Because I live in a mostly White society I have no friends that belong to different religions and different countries. Due to this, I've never had anything against others. I take more offence from a personal insult than to a bombing in Iran or something. Because I know this person and I also know not everybody in Iran is bombing, just the media is overplaying it, making it seem like all who live in Iran are bombing somewhere. However, I can tell that as long as there are differences within society, there will never be no racism. I say whites are not superior to blacks, christians not superior to muslims. Yet there will always be those who disagree with me. Maybe not where I currently live, maybe not somebody I will ever meet, but somebody, somewhere will disagree and say "White are better than blacks." Unless everybody looked exactly the same, there would still be racism. |
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| * Mitas | Jan 19 2009, 12:26 PM Post #7 |
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I understand what .punxx is saying because I know people who have been brought up to be more predjudice than others. My cousin, for example, isn't an extreme racist but he is racist. What I mean by that is that he wouldn't attack somebody, or not be friends with them because of their race, colour, religion or whatever, but he does make comments in a jokey way which are racist. This is because of a few reasons. The people he hangs around with are racist, some a lot more so than him, and also his dad and his dads friends are the same as him. I don't think it's possible to be born racist, you are racist because of your experiences, the people who have 'nurtured' you and the friends you surround yourself with. It's easy enough to say "Hey that's racist, how can you even think that you horrible person?" when you haven't had the same upbringing or experiences as that person. I'm not saying it's right, but you can see why they think that way. |
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| Rockman | Jan 19 2009, 02:44 PM Post #8 |
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Punxx, I sure hope it didn't take a religious reason for you to understand that. |
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Jan 19 2009, 03:21 PM Post #9 |
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It's never over, I'll most probably stay like this my entire life. If quoting my friend into context then all I gotta say is... there's what? 2% at most of the nation's population that is atheist? What are the chances that someone doesn't use religion as a moral? |
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| Meowth | Jan 19 2009, 03:23 PM Post #10 |
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I hope you have some sorce to back that up otherwise it is just a baseless claim. |
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Jan 19 2009, 03:32 PM Post #11 |
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so 18 605 divided by canada's pop (32,852,849)= 5.6... close enough to my guess. more than not you'll get someone who is not atheist than someone who is. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Edited by .Punxx, Jan 19 2009, 04:20 PM.
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| Mcgeezle | Jan 19 2009, 03:49 PM Post #12 |
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And you have the gall to claim you aren't racist? Wow... |
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Jan 19 2009, 04:07 PM Post #13 |
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Of course. Nobody is racist, everybody is a little racist. don't you think if I was brought up in the suburbs I wouldn't be racist at all. And since you're back in this debate I want to answer your question.
Maybe not all the use of deregatory names, because I will get jumped if I'm alone, but I have the right to be extra careful when I walk around black people. For example; if you're walking home at 12:00 midnight and you see at the corner of a street over 5 black people; most probably a street gang in my judgment, you think I'd walk that corner? I wouldn't. If it was 5 white people I would; if they were white and from my neighbourhood I'd most probably know them anyways. I wouldn't be racist if a black person never tried robbing me on numerous times. My bike, my buddy's car, 2 black guys made a home invasion on an elderly couple who live not far down the street. I wouldn't be racist if some white girls on my block didn't start dating black guys because it is "fun" according to them. And I'm not the only one btw, we're all pissed off around here. Of course white people do bad things, but from what I've heard whenever there is gun crime in my neighbourhood among white people, it is usually an isolated case. This can go back a generation or 2. I think what ignited the racist fire over here is that there was a time when 100% of this neighbourhood was Italian, sooner or later blacks started moving in, Italians starting moving to either the suburbs or the other neighbourhood next door, which is not much better but there were more Italians... anyways lets say "white flight". along with blacks came arabs and chinese. Not as much but still, they came to. How do you think the Italian folk felt about their own ethnicity leaving, and having a bunch of other races and ethnicities coming into the neighbourhood. Think of yourself, how would you or your father feel if most of your (not all) friends left you're neighbourhood, moved to a richer place and you got a bunch of strangers moved in. This is how racism is a nurtured issue. |
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| Meowth | Jan 19 2009, 04:16 PM Post #14 |
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People with simple minds come to simple opinions it seems.
I think if they where that bothed, they would move. I live in an area full of diffrent races yet there isn't much racial motivated crime around here. So yeah, if someone is that bothed, they would/should move. What else can they do? If they can't get on with diffrent races, it's their problem not the other persons or the govenments.
Let me know why I shouldn't ban you, obviously you don't seem to learn anything and this is a topic you seemed to make just to talk about yourself. |
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| + Byakko | Jan 19 2009, 04:16 PM Post #15 |
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There was also a time when a large amount of Canadians were originally Scottish, but I doubt there was ever a large fued when the Italians and any other nations moved there. I personally would be happy if my town consisted of more nationalities and cultures. You say everybody is a little racist? No, I'm sure if I met enough black people I'd dislike one or two, but out of most people I meet I dislike them. It's very rare for me to like people straight away. Does that make me racist? No, because I dislike them for who they are, not for their skin colour. If you dislike somebody purely because of their colour, religion or nationality, I'd call you trash. I don't care who you are. But not liking somebody just because of what they look like or where they are from is terrible. Edit: It also pleases me to tell you that more of my people live in your beloved Canada than yours.
Edited by Byakko, Jan 19 2009, 04:20 PM.
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