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Elder Kai Gohan
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BlueDaimonds	Dec 29 2008, 11:19 PM Post #1
Posts: 3 Group: New Member Member #3,882 Joined: December 29, 2008 Favourite Anime DBZ & Bleach What Browser do you use? Firefox	Okay... I have a few questions about this character... 1. If elder kai abilities is supposed to surpass SSJ3 then how come Gohan didnt defeat Hirudegarn in wrath of the dragon ? 2. In websites I see that Elder kai gohan's powerlevel is 5,200,000,000...which makes no sense because Goku SSJ4 is only 2,800,000,000 so is Gohan with Unlocked Potential stronger than SSJ4 Goku? If anyone can give me those answers I'd greatly appreciate it...
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* Psyam	Dec 29 2008, 11:51 PM Post #2
Posts: 1,788 Group: Retired Staff Member #3,439 Joined: May 18, 2008 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime HxH What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga One Piece	First off, welcome to the forum. 1. Simply put, the DBZ movies are not canon. They are "what-if" stories, and are not made by the creator of DBZ. This means that mistakes can (and are) made in regards to how strong characters are, where things haven't been thought through properly. This is one such case. 2. All power levels after Trunks suppressed power level of 5 when he Frieza comes to Earth are estimations by people from various websites. I wouldn't put too much trust in them, though I've heard some websites are fairly accurate.



Damaged	Dec 30 2008, 01:15 AM Post #3
Posts: 3,061 Group: Member Member #2,458 Joined: July 28, 2007 Gender Male Favourite Anime Naruto Favourite Manga Naruto	Quote: 1. Simply put, the DBZ movies are not canon. They are "what-if" stories, and are not made by the creator of DBZ. WRONG. They are events that happen outside the original series and plot, they are NOT What-Ifs. Quote: 1. Simply put, the DBZ movies are not canon. They are "what-if" stories, and are not made by the creator of DBZ. This means that mistakes can (and are) made in regards to how strong characters are, where things haven't been thought through properly. This is one such case. Ignore all this as it's all false. Never trust fan site Daizenshu, pretty much don't trust any. Quote: 1. If elder kai abilities is supposed to surpass SSJ3 then how come Gohan didnt defeat Hirudegarn in wrath of the dragon ? No no no no no no no no no NO. Is supposed to surpass? It was never mentioned in the series that the hidden potential was to be better than a Super Saiyan, let alone a third grade. The whole point of the Elder Kai's training was just to release some energy within Gohan that he couldn't. More or so will power then Saiyan energy. As for No.2, Screw Daizenshu.
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* Psyam	Dec 30 2008, 02:03 AM Post #4
Posts: 1,788 Group: Retired Staff Member #3,439 Joined: May 18, 2008 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime HxH What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga One Piece	BluPiccolo Dec 30 2008, 01:15 AM Quote: 1. Simply put, the DBZ movies are not canon. They are "what-if" stories, and are not made by the creator of DBZ. WRONG. They are events that happen outside the original series and plot, they are NOT What-Ifs. Sorry, I didn't really put that across right. For the record I consider all of the films to be part of Dragonball Z, but some of them just can't fit into the time line anywhere. The Tree of Might is an example of this.



Damaged	Dec 30 2008, 02:04 AM Post #5
Posts: 3,061 Group: Member Member #2,458 Joined: July 28, 2007 Gender Male Favourite Anime Naruto Favourite Manga Naruto	They all fit in perfectly trust me, I've discussed this before.
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* Psyam	Dec 30 2008, 02:18 AM Post #6
Posts: 1,788 Group: Retired Staff Member #3,439 Joined: May 18, 2008 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime HxH What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga One Piece	At what point are Goku's friends all alive, with Goku having the kaioken x10 and not super saiyan? Unless I've missed a time frame I can't think of anything.



SS_Trunks	Dec 30 2008, 03:29 AM Post #7
Posts: 4 Group: New Member Member #3,883 Joined: December 30, 2008 Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragonball Z	1. Owned. 2. If you look into it, elder kai unlocked gohan's hidden potential, not only increasing his power, but (this is important), as he said, it eliminated the need for gohan to use super saiyan, because according to elder kai super saiyan is just a flashy gimmick and gohan can increase his power without it.
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Damaged	Dec 30 2008, 03:32 AM Post #8
Posts: 3,061 Group: Member Member #2,458 Joined: July 28, 2007 Gender Male Favourite Anime Naruto Favourite Manga Naruto	Who was owned and how? Quote: If you look into it, elder kai unlocked gohan's hidden potential, not only increasing his power, but (this is important), as he said, it eliminated the need for gohan to use super saiyan, because according to elder kai super saiyan is just a flashy gimmick and gohan can increase his power without it. That's one of the points i've raised multiple times.
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* -Zero-	Dec 31 2008, 05:51 AM Post #9
Black Knight Posts: 8,697 Group: Retired Staff Member #1,874 Joined: November 5, 2006 Favourite Anime Code Geass, Death Note, Dragonball/Z	BluPiccolo Dec 30 2008, 02:04 AM They all fit in perfectly trust me, I've discussed this before. They do not fit in perfectly, that is a lie. I can bring up big points, movies are NOT part of the storyline never were never will be, they are as what someone said more of what ifs. But this is not the thread to discuss it.
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Damaged	Dec 31 2008, 06:22 AM Post #10
Posts: 3,061 Group: Member Member #2,458 Joined: July 28, 2007 Gender Male Favourite Anime Naruto Favourite Manga Naruto	Ummm...dude. Right there is where YOU fail. They are not What Ifs, What IFs are What If Frieza killedGoku, What IF Gohan didn't go Super Saiyan 2, stuff like that, and yes most of them DO fit in perfectly between seasons.
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BlueDaimonds	Dec 31 2008, 06:48 AM Post #11
Posts: 3 Group: New Member Member #3,882 Joined: December 29, 2008 Favourite Anime DBZ & Bleach What Browser do you use? Firefox	well IMO gohan should have kicked Hirudegarns ***** and as in surpassing SSJ3...it never said anything but from what I've seen you'd have to be SSJ3 to even hurt Super Buu and Elder Kai Gohan was far stronger than super buu...so I consider Elder Kai Gohan to be on the same level of SSJ3 if not stronger....but all my information points to Gohan being the strongest unfused character at the end of Z
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Jiku	Jan 3 2009, 07:39 PM Post #12
If I Don't Who Will? Posts: 108 Group: Member Member #3,890 Joined: January 3, 2009 Favourite Anime Dragon Ball/Z/GT, Naruto, InuYasha, Trigun, Cowboy Bebop, Yugioh!, Yugioh! GX What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Naruto, YUGIOH GX	Joker Snake Dec 31 2008, 05:51 AM BluPiccolo Dec 30 2008, 02:04 AM They all fit in perfectly trust me, I've discussed this before. They do not fit in perfectly, that is a lie. I can bring up big points, movies are NOT part of the storyline never were never will be, they are as what someone said more of what ifs. But this is not the thread to discuss it. . Actually Garlic Jr. was adapted to the series before Cyborg Frieza came to Earth. The first 2 Broly movies fit into the series (The 1st one being with in the 10 day wait for the Cell Games. The 2nd Being before Goku comes back from Other World for a day.) Bojack fits right after the Cell Games are over and Wrath of the Dragon would happen after Buu was destroyed Edited by Jiku, Jan 3 2009, 07:40 PM.



+ Byakko	Jan 3 2009, 08:00 PM Post #13
I once gave a Kangaroo a heart-attack just by staring at it Posts: 10,219 Group: Legend Member #158 Joined: February 7, 2005 Gender Male Favourite Anime Naruto Shippuuden What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Fullmetal Alchemist	BluPiccolo Dec 31 2008, 06:22 AM Ummm...dude. Right there is where YOU fail. They are not What Ifs, What IFs are What If Frieza killedGoku, What IF Gohan didn't go Super Saiyan 2, stuff like that, and yes most of them DO fit in perfectly between seasons. What IF an alien warrior was trapped in a music box so that he could contain the remains and spirit of a "demon"? What IF two OTHER saiyans survived PV's destruction and one of them would go into a rage and destroy planets because Goku made him cry as a child? The Movies ARE what-if's. Some may have places where they can fit, other's don't. The TV specials could be counted as canon, as they are stories. But the movies can never be counted as canon. As for the question of the original post, Zant was right, sites try to list the power levels after the Frieza saga, but things start to get unofficial and mistakes do happen. Some might be accurate, but I still wouldn't trust them.
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Emperor Cold	Jan 5 2009, 02:26 AM Post #14
Makaioshin Posts: 317 Group: Member Member #3,724 Joined: October 5, 2008 Favourite Anime Dragonball/Z/GT (yes I like GT...imagine that!) Detective Conan, FMA (original), Yu Yu Hakusho Favourite Manga Anything by Akira Toriyama	Jiku Jan 3 2009, 07:39 PM Joker Snake Dec 31 2008, 05:51 AM BluPiccolo Dec 30 2008, 02:04 AM They all fit in perfectly trust me, I've discussed this before. They do not fit in perfectly, that is a lie. I can bring up big points, movies are NOT part of the storyline never were never will be, they are as what someone said more of what ifs. But this is not the thread to discuss it. . Actually Garlic Jr. was adapted to the series before Cyborg Frieza came to Earth. The first 2 Broly movies fit into the series (The 1st one being with in the 10 day wait for the Cell Games. The 2nd Being before Goku comes back from Other World for a day.) Bojack fits right after the Cell Games are over and Wrath of the Dragon would happen after Buu was destroyed 1. The Garlic Jr. saga was all filler, therefore non-canon. Movie 1 kinda fits in before ep.1 of dbz, except that Krillin meets Gohan in the movie, but at Master Roshi's house, Krillin has never seen him before. Also they were acting like Goku and Piccolo had never teamed up before. 2. The first Broly movie does not quite fit into those 10 days because Goku and Gohan were super saiyans the whole time, but in the movie they weren't. I guess the second Broly movie could fit in, but it doesn't make sense that Goten, Trunks, and Videl would stop training for the tournament to go looking for dragon balls. 3. As for Bojack, I'm not sure if Mirai Trunks would've been able to come back to an alternate time line after returning to his own time. I don't quite understand all that time travel stuff but I think if he could've returned then he would've more often. The only movie I can think of that fits perfectly into the story would be movie 13. And as for Elder Kai Gohan beating Hirudegarn, he didn't know his weakness at the time and couldn't even hit him. He probably was much stronger, but strength isn't much help if you can't hit your opponent.



* -Zero-	Jan 5 2009, 12:56 PM Post #15
Black Knight Posts: 8,697 Group: Retired Staff Member #1,874 Joined: November 5, 2006 Favourite Anime Code Geass, Death Note, Dragonball/Z	BluPiccolo Dec 31 2008, 06:22 AM Ummm...dude. Right there is where YOU fail. They are not What Ifs, What IFs are What If Frieza killedGoku, What IF Gohan didn't go Super Saiyan 2, stuff like that, and yes most of them DO fit in perfectly between seasons. Excuse me? You're telling me I fail? You know how I will respond to that you will get a verbal warning, I'm seriously getting sick your crap. You are not the DBZ expert here, never was, never will be. An you proved it with your statement right there. I suggest changing your sig to something that isnt actually a LIE, as well as learn to respond to posts of everyone without saying you fail. consider yourself lucky I don't actually raise your warn level.
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