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It is true that they did some INTENSE TRAINING but look here, Tien, Yamacha, Krillen trained intensely aginst the saiyans 4 1 year and only gotten up 2 a power level up to the thousands. That right there proved to us training on Earth's gravity isn't that effienct than training on high level gravity. The only people that have a gravity machine is BULMA and seeing that NO 1 knows about Vegeta and Bulma getting 2gether and the part about Trunks (baby) then we can pretty much figure out that they were only training on Earth's gravity. Read my old post i don't wanna explain it all again (srsly there's alot ).

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First of all did u even consider how strong Dr.Gero and Android 19 was. First of all we know that Dr.Gero gather data of the Z fighters while they were on Earth and not on outer space. That right there proved to us that he espically made himself to b stronger than the Z fighter on Earth and he didn't calculate how strong they would of gotten on space. So we can estimate right now that 19,20 were only stronger than Goku & co on the saiyan saga yet weaker than them on the android saga. Dr.Gero probably thought that there was no need to make himself up to 16,17,18s level seeing that it was enough to kill them all. The reason why 19 beated SSJ Goku is because Goku had an heart attack. If some1 have an heart attack their pshyical condition wouldn't of been at their peak so even though Goku had his Chi (energy) he didn't have his usual strength, speed, stamina. When 19 absorbed Goku's Chi he is probably the strongest being on the planet other than Vegeta, 16, 17, 18, Cell's First form.

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Srsly just re-read/re-watch the Freiza saga. Saiyans get stronger because they get Zenkai boost while Piccolo fused with Nail and that's the only reason 1 power level can jump that high. The Zenkai boost also ended with Frieza saga.

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N they can't. On the saiyan saga Krillen was piss when Yamacha died and attacked the Saiyan's with all his rage yet they came out unscratched, when Choazu died Tien used up all his energy/life energy/rage to form 1 last attack and it only injured Nappa and far from being life threatening.

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Srsly it is not accurate seeing that from Saiyan to Frieza saga where they have feats of extreme training they only gotten up to the thousands and not even close to the millions yet the one's beyond without any training feats went up to the millions. The only accurate one's r from Saiyan saga to Frieza saga.

SSJ-Mitas

Dec 19 2008, 03:28 PM

Could you explain further? Because what I'm getting is that you are calling the fact that Tien could immobilise 2nd Form Cell (without causing much damage at all, if any, but still immobilising) is stupid. How can it be stupid if it is an official part of the story? It isn't even filler, so there's no argument for that. Toriyama decided that Tien was strong enough to play a part in helping save the world by immoblising Cell by using all his power, which must have been at least a 1,000,000 to even have an effect.

Cellgeta

 

Yeah I strongly agree with you. Tien would have to be in the millions to hold off Cell for that long. There is no way Tien could have temporarily immobolized second form Cell for that long if he was below a million. It would be rediculous to think that Tien isn't above a million at that point. And it's not stupid, it was a dramatic part of the plot. If it wasn't for Tien, Cell would have became complete at that point but Tien bought everyone enough time for things to change. DBZnerd, I am not sure why you are arguing this but you're convincing no one.

Cellgeta

 

I see what you're saying. Remember, power levels increase exponentially, not linerally. When Krillen, Tiem, Yamacha and Choazu trained for the Sayains, their power levels were low. None of them had power levels that exceeded past a 1000. I remember Krillen's level was like 130 something when they compared his level to Roshi's when Bulma was using the Scouter that they took from Raditz. Two years later when the Sayains came, Krillens power level was in the thousands. Proportionally, this a huge increase. Do you see what I am saying? It's not about how much the power increases, its about the percentage of the increase that really matters.

Cellgeta

 

However, recall that right before Vegeta finished 19 off, 19 managed to absorb some of Vegeta's energy. Even though he didn't show it, this weakened Vegeta and at that point he was vulnerable to 20. That's why when 20 fled, Vegeta asked for a bean. So we can assume that Android 19 and 20 were definately weaker then a SSJ but could pose a problem if they weakened/absorbed energy from their oppenents.

Cellgeta

 

I know why Sayains get stronger. After near death or a huge battle, Sayains ALWAYS come back stronger then they were before. That's how Vegeta managed to beat Zarbon the second time they fought on Namek. I am not too sure what a Zenkai boost is (didn't talk about it in DBZ) but I do know that Sayains always got stonger after tough training or battles. This trend continued throughout all of DBZ.

Cellgeta

 

Yes they can but its nothing comparable to a Sayain though. The reason why Vegeta and Nappa were not harmed by Krillen's attack was because Krillen's power level is insignificant compared to theirs. The fact remains that Krillen did have a spike of power increase when Yamacha died.

Cellgeta

 

Again, it's exponential!

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Before quoting my post did you even read who I was quoting this 2? The dude I quoted said that anger of a Namakian & humans can rival those of the anger of a Saiyan so i post those to prove him wrong.

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Before quoting my post did you even read who I was quoting this 2? The dude I quoted said that anger of a Namakian & humans can rival those of the anger of a Saiyan so i post those to prove him wrong.

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Like I said Power Level is NOT the point in that part because using your logic, Mr.Satan survived a blow to the head by Kid Buu because his power level was in the millions?