Famicommander

 

That's speculation. How do you know that Cyborg Frieza even required a power-up in the first place? Perhaps he was at full power, and the metal parts of his body make up for his loss in muscle mass. Or maybe he found a way to increase his power level without increasing muscle mass. The point is, you dont know.

Famicommander

 

There is no evidence that Trunks and Goku were equal, and we have no idea how strong Goku became in his training.

Famicommander

 

You're pulling that 15 million estimate out of nowhere.

Famicommander

 

Nothing is concrete. You're still speculating and touting your opinions as fact.

SSJ-Mitas

 

I think think that it is wrong to say Goku, who is always training to become stronger, wouldn't have trained in that long period of time whilst perfecting the SSJ state and learning a new technique. You can't be saying that perfecting the SSJ state would not have made him stronger, even without physical training.

SSJ-Mitas

 

At no point does Goku say him and Trunks have equal power. He just says that they look similar.

SSJ-Mitas

 

Also, Akira Toriyama never gave the power level you stated above.

DbzNerd

Dec 14 2008, 04:10 AM

All you power level after the Freiza saga are wrong because no matter how strong Tien, Yamacha, and Krillen gotten they cannot b in their millions cause thats pure non sense seeing that even when Goku trained at a gravity higher than earths a couple of times he nvr even came close to the millions. So u put these 3 weaklings that only train on earth's gravity up 2 the millions that pure reduculous. I also disagree with you that on the 19 & 20 saga that piccolo suddenly went from 1million on the Freiza saga all the way to the 17millions on just 4 years at least on the earth's gravity. Like i explained training on earth is less efficient than training on high gravity so there's no way he can jump to that high it's even more reduculous.

Cellgeta

 

Dude how would you know Yamacha's, Tien's and Krillen's power level are wrong? When the DBZ fighters were warned by future trunks about the future arrival of the androids, they trained for two years straight. No one really knows what kind of training the fighters went under. For all we know they could have had INTENSE training that caused their power levels to dramatically increase...and they probably did since they wanted to be prepared as possible when the androids would come.

Cellgeta

 

Also, Piccolo handled Dr. Gero (Android 20) with ease. Dr. Gero wasn't as powerful as a SSJ but not too far off after they make some energy absorptions. If you payed attention, Piccolo handeled Dr. Gero (Android 20) very easily so you have to assume Piccolo is around 17 million. And remember, in preparation of the androids, Piccolo trained with Goku and Gohan for two years straight so I am most sure his power took a huge increase.

Cellgeta

 

You just can't assume and call it rediculous. All it takes is a devestating event like on Namek and a fighter could go through the roof with emotion and transform with a whole new power level like Goku did.

Cellgeta

 

Even though Earthlings, or Namekians can't transform, they can still have power level increases when their is great emotion involved.

Cellgeta

 

Overall, I would say the power levels are pretty accurate

Cellgeta

 

I disagree with some of them like King Cold's but for the most part, they are pretty dead on. Good job. That's awesome that you posted all that.

SSJ-Mitas

Dec 17 2008, 01:07 PM

DBZNerd, there is no set way that training effects the Z Fighters. Now clearly the Saiyans and Piccolo would have much better results from training, as their capacity for power is naturally much higher than humans. However, how can we know how much the training that Krillin, Tien and Yamcha did increased their power levels. There is only one answer: we can't. Because Toriyama never stated their power levels, we can't know them. We don't know how much the training on King Kai's planet affected them, we don't know how much the training between Trunks' arrival and the arrival of the Androids affected them, we don't know any result of training that we were'nt iven. It's pure speculation.

DbzNerd

Dec 18 2008, 12:23 AM

SSJ-Mitas

Dec 17 2008, 01:07 PM

DBZNerd, there is no set way that training effects the Z Fighters. Now clearly the Saiyans and Piccolo would have much better results from training, as their capacity for power is naturally much higher than humans. However, how can we know how much the training that Krillin, Tien and Yamcha did increased their power levels. There is only one answer: we can't. Because Toriyama never stated their power levels, we can't know them. We don't know how much the training on King Kai's planet affected them, we don't know how much the training between Trunks' arrival and the arrival of the Androids affected them, we don't know any result of training that we were'nt iven. It's pure speculation.

It is true that it's only speculation but at least the examples that I given is more believable than putting Tien, Yamacha, and Krillen's power level in the millions.

SSJ-Mitas

Dec 18 2008, 11:00 AM

Is it really that hard to believe. Are you saying that Tien was able to hold off 2nd Stage form Cell, even if he caused little to no damage at all, with a power level of less than a million? As they got stronger, their training would have gotten more intense, whoever they trained with would have been stronger and therefore practicing with them would have had a larger effect on their power level.