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Why god doesnt exist
Topic Started: Dec 3 2008, 09:26 PM (3,542 Views)
Haze55 Dec 19 2008, 04:59 AM Post #46
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 The funny part is, he still thinks he has a point.

I kinda sorta told you the vast difference between Satanism and EVERY SINGLE OTHER ORGANIZED RELIGION THAT EXISTS in my previous post.

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Christianity is a religion based upon lies. As is Islam, Buddhism, Judaism, Taoism, Paganism, Wicca, and Hinduism. Satanism is a religion based entirely on truth and made only to be self-serving, not masochistic. If you think you caught me in a fallacy punxx, nice try, but not quite.

I don't expect you to grasp any of this, because from what you've posted you still have obviously no idea what Satanism is. You know google isn't just for searching Hockey stats right?
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.Punxx Dec 19 2008, 05:38 AM Post #47
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You know google isn't just for searching Hockey stats right?

Nope I didn;t know that, but now that you told me I have no reason to believe as to why you defend such a miniscule religion that houses a miniscule population;

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Although exact numbers have never been released, it has been estimated by the church that the number of adherents is in the tens of thousands.[2]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaVeyan_Satanism

Well, I choose to respect you're religion, as you choose to disrespect mine. All in all, we both belong to A cult of an organized religion right?

I believe that the Right Hand Path>Left Hand Path, and I think Islam, Satanism, Judaism and Eastern Religions (etc. etc.) are based on lies.

Now what?
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Meowth Dec 19 2008, 10:54 AM Post #48
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Haze55
Dec 19 2008, 04:59 AM
You know google isn't just for searching Hockey stats right?
If we had a reputation system, you'd get one right now.

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I believe that the Right Hand Path>Left Hand Path, and I think Islam, Satanism, Judaism and Eastern Religions (etc. etc.) are based on lies.


So you're saying that all those other religions are based on lies? Even though Christianity shares some of it's belifes with Judaism and Islam, so this must mean Chistianity is based on lies.

Thanks for admiting that Punxx.
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Rockman Dec 19 2008, 01:29 PM Post #49
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I believe that the Right Hand Path>Left Hand Path, and I think Islam, Satanism, Judaism and Eastern Religions (etc. etc.) are based on lies.
mmm... you probably shouldn't have said this. Judaism is older, and more truthful than Christianity ever was and is.
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.Punxx Dec 19 2008, 02:19 PM Post #50
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So you're saying that all those other religions are based on lies? Even though Christianity shares some of it's belifes with Judaism and Islam, so this must mean Chistianity is based on lies.

can you STOP putting words in my post. I never implied that Christianity is based on lies at all. Islam and Judaism have stuff in common. So what? They're both Monotheistic, while they're both Abrahamic religions. The only thing is that I see Christianity as the truth and; as i ALREADY mentionned, the other 2 are lies. didn't I say that already?

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Meowth Dec 19 2008, 02:25 PM Post #51
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Dec 19 2008, 02:19 PM
can you STOP putting words in my post. I never implied that Christianity is based on lies at all. Islam and Judaism have stuff in common. So what? They're both Monotheistic, while they're both Abrahamic religions. The only thing is that I see Christianity as the truth and; as i ALREADY mentionned, the other 2 are lies. didn't I say that already?

But you see the problem is with that is that if Christianity is the truth then both Islam and Judaism have truth in them. If you deny that, then it means that Christianity must be a lie.

Make up your mind.
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Rockman Dec 19 2008, 02:34 PM Post #52
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So you're saying that all those other religions are based on lies? Even though Christianity shares some of it's belifes with Judaism and Islam, so this must mean Chistianity is based on lies.

can you STOP putting words in my post. I never implied that Christianity is based on lies at all. Islam and Judaism have stuff in common. So what? They're both Monotheistic, while they're both Abrahamic religions. The only thing is that I see Christianity as the truth and; as i ALREADY mentionned, the other 2 are lies. didn't I say that already?

Actually,
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Like Judaism and Islam, Christianity is classified as an Abrahamic religion

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.Punxx Dec 19 2008, 02:37 PM Post #53
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But you see the problem is with that is that if Christianity is the truth then both Islam and Judaism have truth in them. If you deny that, then it means that Christianity must be a lie.

That fact of the matter is, every page from Jewish old testament is in the bible, heck, Christianity originated from Judaism! Jesus was a Jew! But obviously the Jews never accepted Christ, therefore they reject. Whereas Christians accept him. We don't share pure belief. We put our faith in Jesus Christ, Jews don't.

Muslims have the same old testament as the Jews and the Christians. Moses, Abraham, Joseph; all in Muslim literature. Although their faith in God is put into an arab man from the dessert; Mohammed. They also believe in Jesus, but in their faith he is not the Son of God. Therefore Christians don't accept Islam as the truth.

If there's a bridge with water on 1 side and a bed of nails on the other side, and you tell me to jump off; I won't get hurt. You are telling me the truth, but you're not telling me the full truth. Hence to answer your question; according to my faith Christianity is the truth, Judaism and Islam are not.


*edit, i didn't get that Kotz, those 3 religions are Abrahamic&Monotheistic, aren't they..? :w00t:
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Meowth Dec 19 2008, 02:52 PM Post #54
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 Can I just ask you Punxx, who are you to say which is true and which isn't? Maybe from you're perspecive but then you are saying that everyone else is wrong and that you couldn't possibly be wrong.

You could well be wrong but you aren't willing to accept that so your agrument is pretty lame because of that. Sure, it make make you a stong believer but it's obviously clouding what little debating skills you have.

Also I could say that according to what you have said, the old testament is a compleat lie if Islam and Judaism arn't truth, even if it's it only part truth, you can't just brush those religions off as complete lies.

And another thing, if you're a true Christian, why don't you act like one?
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.Punxx Dec 19 2008, 03:09 PM Post #55
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Can I just ask you Punxx, who are you to say which is true and which isn't? Maybe from you're perspecive but then you are saying that everyone else is wrong and that you couldn't possibly be wrong.

Yes, I guess I am saying every other religion is wrong. I guess that means I have faith in mine. But all that aside for a moment I'd like to discuss this;
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Also I could say that according to what you have said, the old testament is a compleat lie if Islam and Judaism arn't truth, even if it's it only part truth, you can't just brush those religions off as complete lies.

I'll say for this moment that every parable and every story in the Bible is a fairy tale. Just so I may be on the same ground as you, for once. The Old Testament is a buildup for the New Tstament. It was a build up for the coming of The Messiah. So rejecting the old Testament; calling it a lie. Would basically be... rejecting Jesus Christ's own ancestors, rejecting reasons as to why there was reason and hope for a savior. The whole build up to Jesus Christ himself lies in the Old Testament, so no.. no Christian in his own right would reject it.

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Pookie Dec 19 2008, 04:26 PM Post #56
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Pookie Powa!

 I agree with Punxx. Religion is a worthless debate because there are like 2 people, who believe in God while the rest of the forum doesn't. I can't make anyone believe in God. However, people use suffering as a way of making God out to be false. It's basically what everyone on this forum stated. "If God existed, why is there suffering."

Yes, there is suffering in the world, but tell a little child that has cancer, who believes in God, that God doesn't exist. Tell someone, who prays for a miracle, that God doesn't exist. God is a source of hope for those that have terrible problems in their life. Lets take in account some of the good things believing in God gives someone rather than all the negative because I feel God's presence in me, and no one can take that away from me.
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Meowth Dec 19 2008, 04:34 PM Post #57
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 I'm not the one saying that Christianity is the only right religion, that's as wrong as someone saying to someone that god doesn't exist. I'm not even saying that you shouldn't believe in god, I'm just saying why I don't and what I disagree with.
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Rockman Dec 19 2008, 09:06 PM Post #58
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I agree with Punxx. Religion is a worthless debate because there are like 2 people, who believe in God while the rest of the forum doesn't. I can't make anyone believe in God. However, people use suffering as a way of making God out to be false. It's basically what everyone on this forum stated. "If God existed, why is there suffering."

Yes, there is suffering in the world, but tell a little child that has cancer, who believes in God, that God doesn't exist. Tell someone, who prays for a miracle, that God doesn't exist. God is a source of hope for those that have terrible problems in their life.

Tell me why I'm able to live my life just like any other person? Why, if I make the right decisions for myself, I will never fail in my goals? Tell me why I need god to guide me? I have done good so far for myself without him. If my parents die tomorrow, I have the strength to carry on without god. I know that about myself as a person to not have to rely on something that isn't there. If I am diagnosed with a virus or problem tomorrow, I will make every effort to beat it. Because I as a person, am strong willed. I do not need god in my life to carry me through.
And then the argument would go into, "Well some people do!"
Well, that's fine and dandy, but the point is, if I can do it what makes you any different than myself? Why can't you get on your own two feet and find the strength to carry yourself? Why do you need an invisible motive to go through the day?

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Lets take in account some of the good things believing in God gives someone rather than all the negative because I feel God's presence in me, and no one can take that away from me.


Mmm, not everyone is using the suffering bit. IE myself...

So your saying that, by believing in god, good things will happen to you. So by not believing in god, bad things are bound to happen to you.
This argument reminds me of praying to the jug of milk, and how he answers questions in the form of yes no and maybe.
Pray to the jug of milk, that...(insert question or subject)
Answers;
Yes, (your answer was yes because your prayer came true, it was god's will.)
No, (your answer was no because god has a greater plan.)
Maybe, (your answer hasn't occured, so it might happen.)

This allows you to never be wrong. Therefore it is impossible to prove prayer and god's grace false.
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Haze55 Dec 19 2008, 10:40 PM Post #59
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Religion is a worthless debate because there are like 2 people, who believe in God while the rest of the forum doesn't.
Now THAT is BS. Just because the Atheists on this forum are more vocal than the Christians, doesn't mean you and Punxx are the only ones on the forum. What does it tell you that the majority of Christians here have absolutely nothing to add?

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Yes, there is suffering in the world, but tell a little child that has cancer, who believes in God, that God doesn't exist.

You could tell a little child anything. Doesn't mean jack.
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I feel God's presence in me

Can you now? And how do you know it's not Allah or Krishna? For what possible reason would you assume that it is the Christian god you feel inside of you?
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* Light Dec 20 2008, 03:55 PM Post #60
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 This topic is starting to get out of hand, people shouldn't have to explain why they believe in a God.
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