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| Pookie | Dec 17 2008, 10:12 PM Post #31 |
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I don't think people know the meaning of free will. People are given this gift to do whatever they want. If they choose to be bad, then they will be judged otherwise in heaven. There are people in this world, who go through a tough time, but are still humble while others are unable to stay pure. Why is that? As for science, it answers the question "how" and not "why." I told this argument to Kris before. It shows how something happens, but not why it happens. Edited by Pookie, Dec 17 2008, 10:22 PM.
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| Rockman | Dec 17 2008, 10:26 PM Post #32 |
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3 Million Idols of Hinduism, or whatever you'd like to call it, were around before YOUR God. |
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| AridWD | Dec 17 2008, 10:29 PM Post #33 |
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Don't Judge other people, really that's the basic idea. If they have some other belief that's different from another. We have to respect that even if we believe it may or may not be false. We know so little compared to all the things that God knows. Let God do the judgment... We, ourselves have to worry about ourselves. |
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| + Byakko | Dec 17 2008, 10:29 PM Post #34 |
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You mean descendents, right? ---- As for this WHOLE topic. I side with Kotetsu. I believe I was educated. Not some deity came along, created everything I know and love. "allowed" me to have free will, and think for myself, then bugger off again. As I'd presume he would (If there was one). Think, Kyonko has already stated horrible things that happen. And you claimed Rape. A thing I deem unforgivable (Just my opinion on that topic). A thing that causes children, teens and adults SO MUCH mental and physical suffering. These people, more often than not, have lost the ability to feel for others. Many raped women fear men. And you call it suffering. If there was a god. Who would stand by while a follower (Perhaps. But doesn't the bible say God loves everybody?) is violated, perhaps beaten, abused? If any person could commit rape. And not repent, which wouldn't make it as bad. But still terrible, I believe that person has a right to die. I am not a creationist. I think that we evolved over milenia. If you can provide unquestionable proof (As I believe the Big Bang Theory has) that there IS a god. I'll believe you. I'll say "I'm sorry for doubting you and saying you're wrong". But currently all you have is "prove he doesn't exist" and a book. |
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| Rockman | Dec 17 2008, 10:36 PM Post #35 |
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When a person uses knowledge outside of the bible to prove that god is real, they do a lot better job than people who endlessly spew bible quotes. So far AHDS has been doing a fantastic job of this. And Likewise, I feel that since I dislike it when people spew bible quotes at me, I try not to talk about Evolution and other theories. I'll stick to logic. There's another reason for punxx, as to why I don't use those ideas to argue. |
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Dec 17 2008, 10:57 PM Post #36 |
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Alright, just for you. Nobody else answer this please. Does gravity exist, you believe in gravity right? What was his name? Mr. Newton who was the first person who coined the term. An apple hit him on the head and he said "Well, that's gotta be gravity" something like that right? I bet you apples hit people in the end during the days of the New testament.. the Old testament.. the middle ages, during the height of the Roman Empire! anwyays.. He never saw gravity, he never took a microscope and examined gravity, he never went into his laboratory and took 15 years to develope a coining of the word gravity! Playing devil's advocate? isn;t that exactly what God is? I can't see him and all, but In my opinion.. he exists! You can't see gravity, and I'm assuming, you believe in it! Better? And I got a question soley for Haze; You mentioned you despise organized religion. I haven;t spoken to you in a while. The last time I spoke to you, weren;t you a part of an organized religion? The Church Of Satan, or is it just called Satanism?
Yes, but I decide to put my faith in God, not 3 million idols.. anyways, let's not get to personal on that statement, I prefer your views on my first paragraph I wrote to you. Edited by .Punxx, Dec 17 2008, 11:00 PM.
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| Rockman | Dec 17 2008, 11:45 PM Post #37 |
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And actually punxx, I require you to read up on your history before you go off on a rant that you do not understand. Sir Isaac Newton was a brilliant Mathematician. In his own words, this was his hypothesis,
Well, that's gotta be gravity!
That must also be gravity! Also,
So to fully answer your question punxx, I don't just believe in gravity, I can feel it. If I jump off a roof, I will hurt myself because of the earths gravitational pull, I.E. gravity. Of course you can't see gravity, it's a force. Lrn2physics. Math is not playing the devil's advocate. Math is putting quantitative reasoning to the world around us, and is quite a bit more efficient than, "POOF, AND IT CAME TO BE." I can see that if I throw a ball up, relativity says that the ball will come back down. I can't see god, and just because it's your opinion, doesn't make it right. You may also believe that Black people are inferior, or that Australians talk funny. However, from a different perspective, you may be completely false. Try not to get your opinion mixed up with facts. |
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Dec 17 2008, 11:53 PM Post #38 |
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Alright then, I stand corrected. I may read on that 1 day. I think I should get a read on science and psychology so I may handle both sides of the agument, on that note. |
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Dec 17 2008, 11:58 PM Post #39 |
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I never said I despise organized religion, punxx. At this point in my life I'm simply indifferent to the idiotic theories that religion brings to the table. If you asked me five years ago what I thought about Christianity, you'd probably hear a lifetime-long rant about how Xtians have ruined and raped society, brought us back to the stone age, control the white house... typical capital A atheist stuff. Those types of people annoy me now. While those are mostly still things I believe, frankly, I couldn't care any less about the meaningless meanderings of brainless sheep. Do I want organized religion gone? Yes, most definitely. Do I really care? Not one bit. Christianity is a religion based upon lies. As is Islam, Buddhism, Judaism, Taoism, Paganism, Wicca, and Hinduism. Satanism is a religion based entirely on truth and made only to be self-serving, not masochistic. If you think you caught me in a fallacy punxx, nice try, but not quite. |
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Dec 18 2008, 12:06 AM Post #40 |
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alright, you said that Haze; may I ask what makes Levey's branch of Satanism so unorganized? |
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| + Green | Dec 18 2008, 02:48 AM Post #41 |
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Since no one really know who/what/... god is then people of many different religions could be believing in the same entity but with different names and appearances. (This is only valid of a god like being exist(ed)). I think if God(s) did[do] exist then god doesn't perform acts that could be proven as unnatural or god like because people these days are smart, can easily capture evidence(picture,video,audio), then that information could easily and quickly be spread around. I'm sure if God did[does] exist then God wouldn't want us to know of it's existence; people couldn't handle truly knowing that something somewhere controls everything that exist including us. Edited by Green, Dec 18 2008, 02:49 AM.
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| Meowth | Dec 18 2008, 10:34 AM Post #42 |
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Free will is not an excuse to allow bad things to happen to good people. That's my reasoning at a basic level for why I don't believe there could possibly be a great good such as god. You can say that good people will be rewarded in the afterlife, but what good is that in the present? It's not a lot of good. I'm not saying people shouldn't believe in a god, I'm just saying why I don't and will never believe in god. As long as there is suffering in the world, there is no god to me. I haven't even said anything about science playing a role in my belief. |
 
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| * Mitas | Dec 18 2008, 11:23 AM Post #43 |
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I have never believed in God, even when I was taught to believe it in primary school at a young age. The reason for this is because I'm not the sort of person that will just accept that a higher being created us, has control over whatever we do and all other things such as the forces of nature. I like to believe that everyone is in charge of their own life. They choose what they want to do, be it bad or good, and have to suffer the consequences. Otherwise anyone can commit a crime and just claim "God made me do it". The fact that most religions claim that God is an all loving, all powerful being yet allows horrible crimes such as rape, paedophillia, murder and many others is such a big contradiction. It is not God doing that, it is the person who commited the crime and nobody else. I believe religion was created for other, more practical reasons. 1. As a means of controlling a society through fear. At a time when the population of Earth was more impressionable and would believe what a person higher up the social ladder would say without question, they just accepted the fact that there is a God. He created the Earth and is responsible for everything, not you as a human. However, if you do something bad you will be punished by him and sent to Hell, a place of many horrors. However, if you lead a good life you will be sent to Heaven, a place of wonders. It was a way of the Kings and Queens and such to control the peasants. They could set rules via the bible that would have to be listened to as everyone was religous. Another reason I believe religion was created is answers. "Why is that there?", "God did it." "Why are we here?", "God did it." "Why are bad things happening?", "God is punishing us." "Why do good things happen?", "God is rewarding us." Humans need answers, it has become a fundamental part of us as a race. When there is not an answer, isn't it so much easier just to believe that there is a higher being that is the cause of all unanswered questions? |
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Dec 19 2008, 01:29 AM Post #44 |
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Should I even pretend that made any sense? This thread isn't about Satanism. Go ahead and make a thread about it if you want, but don't bring your weird ideas about it in here. |
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Dec 19 2008, 03:06 AM Post #45 |
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Alright, this is going to be my last post in this topic because no matter how much I argue, or how much you argue, or anyone debates.. a religious debate is a worthless debate. Weird idea? you're judgement amuses me, you're calling my ideas weird? Aren't your statements a little hipocritical? You said: "The less you care about organized religion the better off you are. " You seem to care alot about your caste, if I'm not mistaking you once made a lengthy defense to it. Yet now you claim organised religion is worth caring less about? Those are like... polar opposites.  None taken to personally right Haze, it's all part of deep discussion.
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