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Why god doesnt exist
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+ Green	Dec 17 2008, 04:31 PM Post #16
Flashy Thing! Posts: 5,436 Group: Legend Member #1,181 Joined: February 25, 2006 Gender Male Country United States What Browser do you use? Fire fox Favourite Manga Gantz	Kotetsu Dec 17 2008, 03:46 PM However you talk like you know that what the bible says is the real truth. Even though the Bible was written by humans, and humans are imperfect. The bible sure didn't appear out of thin-air. So like I said, and I repeat myself, Prove that god created man. That's why i don't trust what's written in the bible.
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Rockman	Dec 17 2008, 04:34 PM Post #17
hoighty-toighty Posts: 11,070 Group: Guardian Member #48 Joined: December 17, 2004 Gender Male Country United States What Browser do you use? Firefox, when it isn't crashing.	Christianity is not the first religion. But people act like it is. There could be multiple gods, but your so dead set on thinking there is one, and it's engraved in your brain, that you throw out all other cultures and religious theories but your own.
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~~.Punxx~~	Dec 17 2008, 04:44 PM Post #18
Worst Member of the Year Posts: 1,580 Group: Suspended Member #2,429 Joined: July 11, 2007	Quote: If god isn't evil or bad then why did it create bad people and natural disasters? That's pretty evil, you can throw free will into the equasion if you wish but it makes no diffrence, to me, any being that is willing to just watch bad things happen is pretty evil and sick. Good things don't happen very often to good people, mostly the bad people, criminals getting off lightly in some cases as well. As well as innocent people being convicted of a crime they didn't comit. Surly if god was real, those who didn't do anything wrong wouldn't be punished and those who did would. In their lifetime, ~~it's no good saying 'they will be rewarded in the afterlife', that doesn't work for me, it's like telling a hard working employie will get a promotion when he quits.~~ "I God is good why do bad things happen to good people" God never said good things happen to good people. When God kicked Adam and even out of the garden he told them they would suffer, he told them they would struggle in the world. As well as their ancestors. This is part of original sin. When God created man it was pure, they disobeyed God, and he is making them suffer. Quote: there is a greater being, why would they allow: Regious divide. Racial divide. Inequality. Rape. Murder. Abuse. Theft. Guns. Wars. Poverty. Isn't half of that suffering? I think that is what God meant when he said we would live suffering. Racial divide.: God never said he prefers black over white, they're all children of God who he loves equally. Guns.: Why would God allow sticks, stones and bones? Who's to say guns are supposidley bad? Wars.: God himself was in a war, remeber the parabel about the angel Lucifer? Rape.--------- > Is that not suffering? Murder.-------> Abuse.----------> Theft.----------> Poverty------> Inequality.: again no one is unequal in God's face Regious divide.: God doesn't dive Christianity, men have divided Christinaity into maybe 7-10 sects, or more. They got their different morals, but they all believe in the trinity of God. Lastly I'd like to say, God created life with a purpose. That is why he gave us free will. He does not change free will, he does not interveen with free will, or else it would not be free will. Hence man creates half of life's suffering, that's why we're born with original sin. If God did not give life a purpose, if God did not give us free will, we would have no will and no purpose. Free will is what drives man to kill, murder, and rape. Although our Final Judgment Day will come. * of course Human built the pyramids.. but how do you know? Have you ever seen them build it? we don't know the builder of the pyramid either? do we? Quote: Christianity is not the first religion. But people act like it is. There could be multiple gods, but your so dead set on thinking there is one, and it's engraved in your brain, that you throw out all other cultures and religious theories but your own. That's why it says in the 10 commandments; There is only 1 God. Do not believe in the false Idols. Edited by .Punxx, Dec 17 2008, 04:47 PM.



Meowth	Dec 17 2008, 04:50 PM Post #19
=._.= Posts: 130,670 Group: Princess Member #23 Joined: November 22, 2004 Gender Female Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya What Browser do you use? FireFox Favourite Manga Fruits Basket	Jesus died for our sins, if that was so, we should no longer be suffering. *I just want to bring to to everyones attention that Punxx believes rape* and murder are both OK among other things because we are suppost to be suffering for what Adam did.**



~~.Punxx~~	Dec 17 2008, 04:56 PM Post #20
Worst Member of the Year Posts: 1,580 Group: Suspended Member #2,429 Joined: July 11, 2007	Quote: Jesus died for our sins, if that was so, we should no longer be suffering. Jesus died for our sins so that we could go in Heaven. Before Jesus died, people were not allowed in Heaven, not allowed to enter Heaven. Where in the Bible does it say Jesus died for our sins so we should therefore no one in the world would be sinning after his death? Last time I checked; no where! Jesus died for the sins of men, therefore they may be allowed to enter the kingdom of Heaven. where did I say Rape and Murder are Quote: Ok I never say that, I'm looking at my post and I can't see that. Edited by .Punxx, Dec 17 2008, 04:56 PM.



Rockman	Dec 17 2008, 04:56 PM Post #21
hoighty-toighty Posts: 11,070 Group: Guardian Member #48 Joined: December 17, 2004 Gender Male Country United States What Browser do you use? Firefox, when it isn't crashing.	Quote: "I God is good why do bad things happen to good people" God never said good things happen to good people. When God kicked Adam and even out of the garden he told them they would suffer, he told them they would struggle in the world. As well as their ancestors. This is part of original sin. When God created man it was pure, they disobeyed God, and he is making them suffer. God didn't say that. A man, wrote that in the bible. Quote: That's why it says in the 10 commandments; There is only 1 God. Do not believe in the false Idols. There could be multiple gods, but your so dead set on thinking there is one, and it's engraved in your brain, that you throw out all other cultures and religious theories but your own. Again, since you didn't seem to get what I just said.
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~~.Punxx~~	Dec 17 2008, 05:00 PM Post #22
Worst Member of the Year Posts: 1,580 Group: Suspended Member #2,429 Joined: July 11, 2007	Quote: There could be multiple gods, but your so dead set on thinking there is one, and it's engraved in your brain, that you throw out all other cultures and religious theories but your own. Again, since you didn't seem to get what I just said. Again I will say; I have faith in my God.. not the 3 million Idols of Hinduism Quote: God didn't say that. A man, wrote that in the bible. I've mentionned this already but I'd like to know, since you have refuted both the Creation theory AND Evolution.. what do you believe in? Nothing?



Meowth	Dec 17 2008, 05:08 PM Post #23
=._.= Posts: 130,670 Group: Princess Member #23 Joined: November 22, 2004 Gender Female Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya What Browser do you use? FireFox Favourite Manga Fruits Basket	.Punxx Dec 17 2008, 04:56 PM where did I say Rape and Murder are Quote: Ok I never say that, I'm looking at my post and I can't see that. You implied it.



bubbles	Dec 17 2008, 05:50 PM Post #24
Posts: 102 Group: Member Member #3,831 Joined: November 29, 2008	i dun know if god exists, theres no way to prove that he exists and thres no way to prove that he doesnt, so i stay neutral, coz i dont care



~~Haze55~~	Dec 17 2008, 09:10 PM Post #25
~Out on the Tiles~ Posts: 921 Group: Suspended Member #1,787 Joined: October 5, 2006	I find it interesting how religious people immediately say something along the lines of "So you believe we all came from nothing??? And you think MY beliefs are stupid?" in this type of argument, as if it is such a huge fallacy in atheist logic. No, I do not believe there is a god. No, I do not believe that we were put on the earth for no reason. Is there any way to be 100% sure that, for example, life is NOT like the movie The Matrix? No, I suppose not. And granted it's a cute philosophical thing to ponder with a friend over coffee at 3:00 AM, but really, where does that get us? The world we see (Matrix or not) STILL has consistent social and scientific rules. We're STILL animals who want to maximize our happiness. So does it matter if there is a boogeyman in the sky? Does it matter if it's the Muslim's boogeyman, or the Christian's boogeyman? I think not. So ultimately, I just find entertaining the notion of Christianity a waste of time. Quote: i dun know if god exists, theres no way to prove that he exists and thres no way to prove that he doesnt, so i stay neutral, coz i dont care Smartest post yet, absolutely no sarcasm here. The less you care about organized religion the better off you are.



Rockman	Dec 17 2008, 09:19 PM Post #26
hoighty-toighty Posts: 11,070 Group: Guardian Member #48 Joined: December 17, 2004 Gender Male Country United States What Browser do you use? Firefox, when it isn't crashing.	.Punxx Dec 17 2008, 05:00 PM Quote: There could be multiple gods, but your so dead set on thinking there is one, and it's engraved in your brain, that you throw out all other cultures and religious theories but your own. Again, since you didn't seem to get what I just said. Again I will say; I have faith in my God.. not the 3 million Idols of Hinduism Quote: God didn't say that. A man, wrote that in the bible. I've mentionned this already but I'd like to know, since you have refuted both the Creation theory AND Evolution.. what do you believe in? Nothing? I didn't refute either, I said neither is entirely the truth. While history shows us that Evolution is a lot more sensible of a theory, Creation is a fairy tale. Evolution: We went from Castles and plagues, to Sky-scrappers and stem cell research. Creation: Things were created out of nothing, Things aren't created out of anything anymore, however, it's god's will you're standing there. Makes sense to me.
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Pookie	Dec 17 2008, 09:49 PM Post #27
Pookie Powa! Posts: 18,039 Group: Princesa Pookie Member #1,340 Joined: April 21, 2006 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome and Firefox	Kyonko Dec 17 2008, 04:23 PM I like how you said this Punxx. Quote: Yes we do, God is pure, God is good, God has no evil, God is no bad. If god isn't evil or bad then why did it create bad people and natural disasters? That's pretty evil, you can throw free will into the equasion if you wish but it makes no diffrence, to me, any being that is willing to just watch bad things happen is pretty evil and sick. God doesn't create evil people. Can you look at a baby and say they are evil? No you cannot. According to Psychology, bad people usually gain it from past experiences or the environment. This comes with the age old question of nature vs. nurture. I feel nurture is more of a factor than nature when it comes to a person's personality. Ask anyone in prison or jail what kind of life they lived, and perhaps you'd see that it is not God's will that causes one to go evil. Edited by Pookie, Dec 17 2008, 09:50 PM.



Strawberry	Dec 17 2008, 09:51 PM Post #28
Chiaroscuro ♥ Posts: 17,000 Group: Rock Princess Member #1,750 Joined: September 24, 2006	Haze55 Dec 17 2008, 09:10 PM Quote: i dun know if god exists, theres no way to prove that he exists and thres no way to prove that he doesnt, so i stay neutral, coz i dont care Smartest post yet, absolutely no sarcasm here. The less you care about organized religion the better off you are. I agree. And I'm quite proud it came from you, Andie. I don't believe god exists, for the simple reason that the ideas and theories developed by science on how everything happened seem to me much more solid and reasonable than the ideas written in a book made by humans, that has been corrected over the years for multiple times, that has been contradictory for multiple times also, and that shows absolutely no evidence to base its beliefs other than faith, which is, in general terms, one of the most abstract notions humanity created to explain the unknown and the inexplicable, and feel complete with it, without having to look further, to search more, to try to find more answers. I certainly can't prove god doesn't exist. That's why I won't bother doing it. But I have many reasons to believe he doesn't, and I find atheists' reasons a lot more rational and substancial than religious people's.
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Meowth	Dec 17 2008, 09:54 PM Post #29
=._.= Posts: 130,670 Group: Princess Member #23 Joined: November 22, 2004 Gender Female Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya What Browser do you use? FireFox Favourite Manga Fruits Basket	AngelicHottieDS Dec 17 2008, 09:49 PM Ask anyone in prison or jail what kind of life they lived, and perhaps you'd see that it is not God's will that causes one to go evil. If god did exist though, the notion of crimes shouldn't exist, people shouldn't have evil thoughts, the surroundings of a person should not influence them in this way. Either that, or god does exist but isn't good as people would imagin. It's kind of like someone playing the sims, you throw a few problems into the game just to watch bad things happen to them. Like putting mats infront of fires and having no doors, but that's drifting off topic.



Rockman	Dec 17 2008, 10:04 PM Post #30
hoighty-toighty Posts: 11,070 Group: Guardian Member #48 Joined: December 17, 2004 Gender Male Country United States What Browser do you use? Firefox, when it isn't crashing.	That's exactly the problem with your argument Kyonko. Though not saying your wrong. Just the problem I see and what AHDS is trying to say. The argument being used is assuming that we know what god is personally like, and what his "will" is. We do not know EXACTLY what this is. Which leads us to believe that if God was an omnipotent figure, and was the embodiment of everything that we call "good", then there would be nothing that we would call Evil. While we know exactly what drives a person to do certain things, we do not know if God willed it or not, and we will never know this. Using this logic, it gives me a reason to say why Christians should just stop acting like they know what God's will is, and whether or not their god is the correct form of a god. You don't know. You simply can't. And to base the fact that you're right off of a belief, well that IS believing in something that may or may not be true. Edited by Rockman, Dec 17 2008, 10:07 PM.
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