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Partial Birth Abortion
Tweet Topic Started: Oct 6 2008, 11:55 PM (535 Views)
Famicommander	Oct 6 2008, 11:55 PM Post #1
Jukebox hero Posts: 440 Group: Member Member #3,095 Joined: January 7, 2008 Favourite Anime Outlaw Star	Here is a description of the process known as "partial birth abortion": Usually, preliminary procedures are performed over a period of two to three days, to gradually dilate the cervix using laminaria tents (sticks of seaweed which absorb fluid and swell). Sometimes drugs such as synthetic pitocin are used to induce labor. Once the cervix is sufficiently dilated, the doctor uses an ultrasound and forceps to grasp the fetus' leg. The fetus is turned to a breech position, if necessary, and the doctor pulls one or both legs out of the birth canal, causing what is referred to by some people as the 'partial birth' of the fetus. The doctor subsequently extracts the rest of the fetus, usually without the aid of forceps, leaving only the head still inside the birth canal. An incision is made at the base of the skull, scissors are inserted into the incision and opened to widen the opening, and then a suction catheter is inserted into the opening. The brain is suctioned out, which causes the skull to collapse and allows the fetus to pass more easily through the birth canal. The placenta is removed and the uterine wall is vacuum aspirated using a cannula. We're talking about fully developed fetuses here. They suck the brain out of a living child that has been partially born to spare the mother the pain of childbirth. Edited by Kyonko, Oct 7 2008, 06:26 AM.



~~nomnomliekdis~~	Oct 7 2008, 02:19 AM Post #2
Posts: 1,465 Group: GTFO Member #3,700 Joined: September 21, 2008 Gender Not Specified Country None	Famicommander Oct 6 2008, 11:55 PM We're talking about fully developed fetuses here. They suck the brain out of a living child that has been partially born to spare the mother the pain of childbirth. It's not to spare the mother the "pain of childbirth". It's not like a woman goes "well, I know I'm 6 months pregnant, but I think it's going to hurt so suck this thing out of me." This is only done when the mother and/or the child is a extreme health risk. Abortions are never an easy decision and it should be left up to the MOTHER to decide what is best. I wouldn't expect you to understand that though...



Meowth	Oct 7 2008, 06:44 AM Post #3
=._.= Posts: 130,670 Group: Princess Member #23 Joined: November 22, 2004 Gender Female Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya What Browser do you use? FireFox Favourite Manga Fruits Basket	I can see the need for this though in extream cases, it is down to the mother, I'm sure most women who have a child want to have that child, but if it's going to pose either them or the baby a risk, then they should decide if they want to take that risk or not. Yes, this doesn't sound very nice and would be hard to grasp if it was for the key point of the health risks it could pose. I mean could you imagin being pregnent, then finding out that the child is going to affect your health or it's own, I mean that wouldn't be plesent to hear, the mother should be the one who makes the decision, if they want an abortion because of the health risk, then they should be allowed that option. You can't just have the state decided what the mother or future mother should do, unless they aren't of sound mind. I'm sure it's a tough decison to make, probably one of the toughest decisions to make, weather or not to have an aborition of any kind. I know this kind seems harsh but there could be a point in pregnacy where complications arise and the baby is in late development stages. Also, keep this about the issue, not spearding your political hatrid.



* -Zero-	Oct 7 2008, 06:49 AM Post #4
Black Knight Posts: 8,697 Group: Retired Staff Member #1,874 Joined: November 5, 2006 Favourite Anime Code Geass, Death Note, Dragonball/Z	Like for example if you find out that if the kid is born he will mentally challenged and he will never have a normal life, and because of it, both lives will be affected, then what you want her to do still have the kid? I think it is up to the mother to decide. I am not against abortions as long as they are done for the right and not the wrong reasons.
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Famicommander	Oct 7 2008, 06:59 AM Post #5
Jukebox hero Posts: 440 Group: Member Member #3,095 Joined: January 7, 2008 Favourite Anime Outlaw Star	Joker Snake Oct 7 2008, 06:49 AM Like for example if you find out that if the kid is born he will mentally challenged and he will never have a normal life, and because of it, both lives will be affected, then what you want her to do still have the kid? I think it is up to the mother to decide. I am not against abortions as long as they are done for the right and not the wrong reasons. So then mentally challenged people don't have the right to live? Because that's what you just said.



Famicommander	Oct 7 2008, 07:01 AM Post #6
Jukebox hero Posts: 440 Group: Member Member #3,095 Joined: January 7, 2008 Favourite Anime Outlaw Star	nomnomliekdis Oct 7 2008, 02:19 AM Famicommander Oct 6 2008, 11:55 PM We're talking about fully developed fetuses here. They suck the brain out of a living child that has been partially born to spare the mother the pain of childbirth. It's not to spare the mother the "pain of childbirth". It's not like a woman goes "well, I know I'm 6 months pregnant, but I think it's going to hurt so suck this thing out of me." This is only done when the mother and/or the child is a extreme health risk. Abortions are never an easy decision and it should be left up to the MOTHER to decide what is best. I wouldn't expect you to understand that though... If the pregnancy poses a risk to the mother's health a caesarian-section is the only option. It is safer than any form of abortion and does not require any children to be slaughtered.



Rockman	Oct 7 2008, 11:39 AM Post #7
hoighty-toighty Posts: 11,070 Group: Guardian Member #48 Joined: December 17, 2004 Gender Male Country United States What Browser do you use? Firefox, when it isn't crashing.	Are you male Famicommander?
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~~nomnomliekdis~~	Oct 7 2008, 12:11 PM Post #8
Posts: 1,465 Group: GTFO Member #3,700 Joined: September 21, 2008 Gender Not Specified Country None	Famicommander Oct 7 2008, 07:01 AM Famicommander Oct 6 2008, 11:55 PM If the pregnancy poses a risk to the mother's health a caesarian-section is the only option. It is safer than any form of abortion and does not require any children to be slaughtered. First of all, a C-section is NOT A FORM OF ABORTION. It is a form of birth. C-sections are not free of consequences either, because you are cutting the mother open and exposing the mother and child to a potential of a virus, bacteria, and diseases. Lots of babies die with C-sections too. C-sections don't always help with health risk either, because say the mother (and now the baby) has AIDS. A c-section isn't going to cure AIDS. Also, people with mental retardation usually have a lower quality of life. Sometimes parents aren't willing to do all is required to take care of someone mentally retarded. Or can't afford it. Like I said in the beginning, a mother has to make the decision of what is right. No one else. It's not always easy.



* -Zero-	Oct 7 2008, 03:38 PM Post #9
Black Knight Posts: 8,697 Group: Retired Staff Member #1,874 Joined: November 5, 2006 Favourite Anime Code Geass, Death Note, Dragonball/Z	Famicommander Oct 7 2008, 07:01 AM nomnomliekdis Oct 7 2008, 02:19 AM Famicommander Oct 6 2008, 11:55 PM We're talking about fully developed fetuses here. They suck the brain out of a living child that has been partially born to spare the mother the pain of childbirth. It's not to spare the mother the "pain of childbirth". It's not like a woman goes "well, I know I'm 6 months pregnant, but I think it's going to hurt so suck this thing out of me." This is only done when the mother and/or the child is a extreme health risk. Abortions are never an easy decision and it should be left up to the MOTHER to decide what is best. I wouldn't expect you to understand that though... If the pregnancy poses a risk to the mother's health a caesarian-section is the only option. It is safer than any form of abortion and does not require any children to be slaughtered. If you thought deepere you understand what I mean. I feel bad for the mentally challenged, it's not their fault. But their lives are going to be horrible, and it can hurt the parents to see their kids not have a good life and etc, so if they can stop it, why not? Sometimes it is better for both the child and the parents. Me and my sister were actually born C-section, my mom couldn't give birth any other way
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Meowth	Oct 7 2008, 03:58 PM Post #10
=._.= Posts: 130,670 Group: Princess Member #23 Joined: November 22, 2004 Gender Female Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya What Browser do you use? FireFox Favourite Manga Fruits Basket	I don't think it's right to have an abortion for most mentally challenged babies because well they could still have some form of normal life depending on what excatly is up with them. I mean if the babie is going to be servearly handicaped, such as being paralyzed and having really bad austism, then yes I would say an abortion would probably be for the best because they won't be able to do anything, keep them alive in such a state would be crule.



* -Zero-	Oct 7 2008, 04:09 PM Post #11
Black Knight Posts: 8,697 Group: Retired Staff Member #1,874 Joined: November 5, 2006 Favourite Anime Code Geass, Death Note, Dragonball/Z	I'm not talking about the mentally challenged that walk, talk almost normally not talking about those, I'm talking about those with extreme cases like they will be on a wheel chair or something, not all the mentally challeged, mostly the more extreme cases
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Rockman	Oct 7 2008, 04:27 PM Post #12
hoighty-toighty Posts: 11,070 Group: Guardian Member #48 Joined: December 17, 2004 Gender Male Country United States What Browser do you use? Firefox, when it isn't crashing.	Most cases it's hard to tell whether or not the child will come out with a disability, so that's not really a problem.
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~~Haze55~~	Oct 9 2008, 02:25 AM Post #13
~Out on the Tiles~ Posts: 921 Group: Suspended Member #1,787 Joined: October 5, 2006	Just look at Kotetsu's mother. She had no clue. Anyway, I'm a little lost as to why this would be necessary and when this operation is preformed instead of a regular abortion. Maybe if that was made clear, I'd be able to respond a little better.



Rockman	Oct 9 2008, 02:49 AM Post #14
hoighty-toighty Posts: 11,070 Group: Guardian Member #48 Joined: December 17, 2004 Gender Male Country United States What Browser do you use? Firefox, when it isn't crashing.	Intact dilation and extraction (IDX or intact D&X), also known as intact dilation and evacuation (intact D&E), dilation and extraction (D&X), intrauterine cranial decompression and controversially in the United States as partial birth abortion, is a surgical abortion wherein an intact fetus is removed from the uterus via the cervix. The procedure may also be used to remove a deceased fetus that is developed enough to require dilation of the cervix for its extraction.[1] Though the procedure has had a low rate of usage, representing 0.17% (2,232 of 1,313,000) of all abortions in the United States in 2000 according to voluntary responses to an Alan Guttmacher Institute survey,[2] it has developed into a focal point of the abortion debate. In the United States, intact dilation and extraction was made illegal under some circumstances by the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act, which the U.S. Supreme Court upheld in the case of Gonzales v. Carhart.
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