Burning the US Flag: punishable?

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Burning the US Flag: punishable?
Tweet Topic Started: Jun 28 2008, 07:57 PM (896 Views)
~~.Punxx~~	Jun 28 2008, 07:57 PM Post #1
Worst Member of the Year Posts: 1,580 Group: Suspended Member #2,429 Joined: July 11, 2007	Should it be punishable to burn the US flag.. or any other flag for that matter, Canada, Italy, England etc. If you are a resident of it's country.



Meowth	Jun 28 2008, 08:05 PM Post #2
=._.= Posts: 130,670 Group: Princess Member #23 Joined: November 22, 2004 Gender Female Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya What Browser do you use? FireFox Favourite Manga Fruits Basket	In protest of something, no, I don't see a problem with it. If someone wants to but the English flag because they are protesting, let them, I don't care, it's just a flag. I mean if they are burning it as a racial experession to say they don't like the country and for no other reason they yeah, should be punishable under Insighting Racial Hatrid I belive it is.



Rockman	Jun 28 2008, 09:06 PM Post #3
hoighty-toighty Posts: 11,070 Group: Guardian Member #48 Joined: December 17, 2004 Gender Male Country United States What Browser do you use? Firefox, when it isn't crashing.	Used to be if it touched the ground it was to be burned. Not sure why though...
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* Psyam	Jun 28 2008, 10:24 PM Post #4
Posts: 1,788 Group: Retired Staff Member #3,439 Joined: May 18, 2008 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime HxH What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga One Piece	I dont think it should be punishable. Im English and tbh i coulden't care less if someone burned the English flag.."It's just a flag.", as Kyonko said. However, if someone is burning a countys flag and mouthing them off at the same time, something should be done. Edited by Psyam, Jun 28 2008, 10:25 PM.



Pookie	Jul 5 2008, 04:33 AM Post #5
Pookie Powa! Posts: 18,039 Group: Princesa Pookie Member #1,340 Joined: April 21, 2006 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome and Firefox	It should be punishable because it can disrupt peace in society. Some people will abuse this right and possibly create more racial discrimination. The point of the government is to assure that its people are safe. If flags are able to be burned without punishment, then selected groups may targeted or feel unsafe. Do you want certain races to feel uncomfortable? It's just a flag? No flags have meaning and a purpose. Did you ever have a materialistic object that was significant to you? For example, I have a red Ferrari that my uncle gave me long ago before I returned to the U.S If I asked you to describe it, you'd likely say it is an old, junk car. I'd disagree with you by saying it is worth millions because it symbolizes my uncle's last gift, memories, and hope that I will see him again. The Ferrari relates to the Flag by stretching further than material. Many flags have stories behind them; they represent a country's unity and self worth. Burning a flag, is despicable and cowardly. It is similar to walking up to a person and spitting in his/her face. A majority of people do not want to witness a flag of their nation be burned especially in a diverse country, such as the United States, where all ethnicities deserve respect. All nations deserve respect. Edited by Pookie, Jul 5 2008, 04:34 AM.



Meowth	Jul 5 2008, 10:56 AM Post #6
=._.= Posts: 130,670 Group: Princess Member #23 Joined: November 22, 2004 Gender Female Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya What Browser do you use? FireFox Favourite Manga Fruits Basket	It's just a flag, personally, I don't get this whole thing with protecting your flag in the US, maybe because I haven't been brought up that way, maybe someone could fill me in on this over protection of it. The flag is a flag, nothing more, if you want to deface or burn the English flag, go right ahead, draw swastickers on it if you like, I'd just laugh personally. The only way I would say burning a flag is punishable is if the person has done it with the intent to disrupt the peace and insight racial hate. Otherwise, it can be burned in a perfectly legit reason, such as I stated above, in protest. It's a flag that represents a country, would you rather I got a map of the country and burned that? Same message in a protest, just looks a little silly. I just think it would be stupid to punish someone for free speech.



Rockman	Jul 5 2008, 03:17 PM Post #7
hoighty-toighty Posts: 11,070 Group: Guardian Member #48 Joined: December 17, 2004 Gender Male Country United States What Browser do you use? Firefox, when it isn't crashing.	The problem with this is symbolism itself. It seems America was built on symbolism. If you take that away and make an offense towards it, apparently people think you are trash... or something...
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~~.Punxx~~	Jul 5 2008, 03:58 PM Post #8
Worst Member of the Year Posts: 1,580 Group: Suspended Member #2,429 Joined: July 11, 2007	Burning a flag of your own country is probably the highest point of disrespect someone can reach. By burning you're own flag (assuming you live in a democratic 1st world country) You are destroying everything a country represents. A flag, above all material and fabric is a national symbol, a symbol of liberty, it represents your country. Now, for example let me use the American flag. If anyone does it as an expression of freedom of speech it basicly means.. "hmm yeah, ***** america.. I hate this country" and they burn their own flag in a public rally. Okay then.. if that's what you think about this country, move back to your own country.. move back to where your ancestors came from, go back to Europe then if you hate this country that badly. Now I understand that burning the flag is only respectable if the flag so touches the ground, and that's actually a military maneuver that's been done especially when their flag happens to be ripped off it's flag poll, or knocked.. whatever, the fact is it's been a tradition since Europeans robbed this land from the Indians. Back on topic, a flag as I mentionned before holds more symbolism than just a material.. Sure you can go to the dollar store, waste a dollar, buy your country's flag and say "this is MY flag" sure you can burn it in the privacy of your own home.. although that leads to nothing.. that leads to a wasted dollar. Although if you do it so in public, in the medias eye, at a rally with other people burning flags, that's what I call disrespect. That's what I call a group of people literally abusing freedom of speach, in fact.. making freedom of speech an excuse to do what they are doing. People all over the world burn Americas flag (once again, example) people in Palestine burn the American flag everyday. Why? because they hate America. Well, they don't live in America so they can do that. People at Woodstock, USA '99 burnt the American flag. Why? was it really because they hated America? They can't honestly hate their own free land of oppurtunity. Well, since the rock band Rage Against the Machine burnt a flag, I'm only assuming they did it for attention, nothing more nothing less. Once again, burning a flag, especially in public should be looked at with hatred. And obviously, if you hate a country.. then get out. Nobody is forcing you to stay.



Meowth	Jul 5 2008, 04:09 PM Post #9
=._.= Posts: 130,670 Group: Princess Member #23 Joined: November 22, 2004 Gender Female Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya What Browser do you use? FireFox Favourite Manga Fruits Basket	Just because you burn a flag or deface it, doesn't mean you hate the country, it just means you disapprove of something that the country is doing. A flag represents the country, it doesn't do anything more that shows what country that is, getting worked up over a flag is a waste of time. The only way buring a flag is unjust is if the person is insighting racial hate, anything other than that is just free speech, I do belive that's a human right? Mmm, then so is water. If you don't get that last sentance, forget about it.



~~.Punxx~~	Jul 5 2008, 04:21 PM Post #10
Worst Member of the Year Posts: 1,580 Group: Suspended Member #2,429 Joined: July 11, 2007	Quote: Just because you burn a flag or deface it, doesn't mean you hate the country, it just means you disapprove of something that the country is doing. A flag represents the country, it doesn't do anything more that shows what country that is, getting worked up over a flag is a waste of time. I am sure there are othern ways you can dissaprove political issues or something that the country is doing without offending other people by burning flag.. I do belive burning the flag offends more people than not. For example if you think the president is an idiot, instead of burning a flag.



Meowth	Jul 5 2008, 04:39 PM Post #11
=._.= Posts: 130,670 Group: Princess Member #23 Joined: November 22, 2004 Gender Female Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya What Browser do you use? FireFox Favourite Manga Fruits Basket	Sure there are many ways but I don't see why burning a flag is so bad, seriously, it's silly. So is getting worked up over someone defacing a flag, though burning counts as defacing does it? People have done worse things to a country than burning a silly flag. You know that you aren't going to change my view on this so I can't see why you are trying to tell me there are otherways to express an opinion. *Unless the person has intent to cause racial hate, then I don't belive it is a punishable offence.*



~~.Punxx~~	Jul 5 2008, 04:56 PM Post #12
Worst Member of the Year Posts: 1,580 Group: Suspended Member #2,429 Joined: July 11, 2007	Quote: Unless the person has intent to cause racial hate, then I don't belive it is a punishable offence. Well, I know I can't change your opinion.. but what would you say if; They burn it without racial hate.. yet other people get offended because, it reminds them very closeley of the racial hate they see over seas. I'm talking about veterans and military.



Rockman	Jul 5 2008, 05:08 PM Post #13
hoighty-toighty Posts: 11,070 Group: Guardian Member #48 Joined: December 17, 2004 Gender Male Country United States What Browser do you use? Firefox, when it isn't crashing.	.Punxx Jul 5 2008, 04:56 PM Quote: Unless the person has intent to cause racial hate, then I don't belive it is a punishable offence. Well, I know I can't change your opinion.. but what would you say if; They burn it without racial hate.. yet other people get offended because, it reminds them very closeley of the racial hate they see over seas. I'm talking about veterans and military. That's also another problem with America. We are a bunch of Whiners. Offended by the smallest things. Especially if it's against a religion. The amount of times that people are offended by stupid things in this country are sickening.
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Meowth	Jul 5 2008, 05:23 PM Post #14
=._.= Posts: 130,670 Group: Princess Member #23 Joined: November 22, 2004 Gender Female Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya What Browser do you use? FireFox Favourite Manga Fruits Basket	.Punxx Jul 5 2008, 04:56 PM Well, I know I can't change your opinion.. but what would you say if; They burn it without racial hate.. yet other people get offended because, it reminds them very closeley of the racial hate they see over seas. I'm talking about veterans and military. They should get over it.



* Daniel6	Jul 8 2008, 11:27 AM Post #15
Posts: 658 Group: Retired Staff Member #576 Joined: August 3, 2005 Gender Male Favourite Anime Naruto / DBZ What Browser do you use? Chrome	Its just a flag, who cares XD



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