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| Sam | Jun 14 2008, 08:28 PM Post #1 |
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[Poll info: There will be 2 choices, 2 candidates to choose from. Barack Obama and John McCain. Democrat and Republican respectfully. You can also vote to choose your party, from Republican, Democratic, Independent, and Other. Isn't it awesome you can have two polls in one topic?! Go ZetaBoards! I didn't think it was possible.] Well here we go again! I made this topic once before but Firefox crashed when I pressed submit and it didn't go through, lol. Every four years the U.S. Has an election. For the past 8 years we've made the wrong decision for President. It's time to choose again. Please choose between Obama/McCain. If you like Hillary, for instance, still, don't say "I support Hillary". She has suspended her campaign, and go to your "2nd favorite" [probably Obama, unless you're Independent. Hillary DID endorse Obama though]. If you want to vote for Ralph Nader [lol, Ralph Nader is awesome. NADDDERRRRR. Darth Nader], say so but if you were forced to pick out of the two, say who and why. Some highlights [aka important stuff or issues] I can pick out from each candidate from looking at their Wikipedia articles on, "Political Positions of ___________" This large list is for anyone who is unsure of who to vote for, the Wikipedia link itself will be included at the end of each summary. Senator John McCain [R-AZ]: McCain does not support the use of torture [waterboarding and the like] as a means of interrogation. When a questioner questioned McCain and said that Bush wants to keep troops in Iraq for 50 years, McCain said to, "Make it a hundred." Most Iraqi's do not approve of the U.S. Troops in their country. On October 2006, McCain said the he believed the former President Bill Clinton and his administration were to blame for the North Korea's weapons of mass destruction. McCain's 2006 rating by the Almanac of American Politics (2008) on Economic Policy is 64% conservative, 35% liberal (52% conservative, 47% liberal in 2005). McCain supports large tax cuts for the "super rich" and wealthy [over 2.9 million dollars] by cutting taxes for them by over a quarter of a million dollars, he also supports tax cuts for the other income groups, however, the cuts are not as large as Obama's. [Link: http://youtube.com/watch?v=9fbxpMw4mco] McCain is a strong proponent of free trade. He supports the NAFTA agreement, the existing GATT agreements, and U.S. participation in the World Trade Organization. He opposes tacking on labor and environmental conditions to trade agreements. McCain is against universal health care, publicly-funded health care or health coverage mandates. His plan focuses on enhancing competition in the health care industry as a way to lower costs. McCain believes that each state should decide its own minimum wage. On January 24, 2007 he voted "Yes" on legislation that would allow employers to pay less than the federal minimum wage if the state set a lower minimum. In May 2008, McCain stated his intention, if elected, to created a Presidential equivalent of the British conditional convention of Prime Minister's Questions. McCain has voted to reduce usage of Renewable and solar energy, or "clean energy." McCain's stances on global warming and other environmental issues have often put him at odds with the Bush administration and other Republicans. For example, he has generally opposed drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. McCain has also sided with the Bush Administration at times, including a vote in favor of confirming Gale Norton as Secretary of Interior, a vote in favor of preserving the budget for ANWR oil drilling. McCain opposes ethanol subsidies and did not vote on the energy bill, which passed the Senate on an 86-8 vote. In 2000, he skipped most of the Iowa caucuses, in large part because his opposition to ethanol was a nonstarter in a state where making corn into fuel is a big and lucrative business. McCain has also called global warming "a serious and urgent economic, environmental and national security challenge" and said that the problem "isn't a Hollywood invention." In 1999, in a Republican presidential debate at Dartmouth College, McCain opposed the legalization of marijuana. In December 2007, McCain said that the Don't Ask, Don't Tell policy should remain in place, citing reports from military leaders that "this policy ought to be continued because it's working." When asked if he supported civil unions of homosexuals, McCain said: "I do not." On the Ellen Degeneres Show May 22, 2008, McCain said that people ought to be able to enter "legal agreements...particularly in the case of insurance and other areas", but that the "unique status of marriage" should be retained between a man and a woman." [Link: http://youtube.com/watch?v=A7addd1-SY8] He supports merit pay for teachers, along with firing them if they don't meet certain standards. He sponsored the Education A-Plus bill in 1997 and again in 1999, which would have allowed parents to open tax-free savings accounts for their children's school expenses, such as tutoring, computers and books. McCain co-sponsored the Child Nutrition Act, which would provide federal funding for at-risk children. He said when running for President in 2000 that he would take $5.4 billion away from sugar, gas and ethanol subsidies and pour that money into a test voucher program for every poor school district in America. He voted against diverting $51.9 million away from the Department of Labor and putting it towards after-school community learning centers, and he voted against an amendment which would fund smaller class sizes rather than providing funds for private tutors. In 1999, McCain said of Roe v. Wade [Abortion], "I'd love to see a point where it is irrelevant, and could be repealed because abortion is no longer necessary. But certainly in the short term, or even the long term, I would not support repeal of Roe v. Wade, which would then force X number of women in America to [undergo] illegal and dangerous operations."[152][153] On February 18, 2007, however, McCain stated, "I do not support Roe versus Wade. It should be overturned." McCain is a member of The Republican Main Street Partnership and supports embryonic stem cell research despite his earlier opposition.[159] He states that he believes that stem cell research, and indeed embryonic stem cell research, will continue whether or not the U.S. sanctions it, and so it would be the wisest course of action to support it to the extent that the United States will be able to regulate and monitor the use. McCain has received fair to poor ratings on gun issues from the National Rifle Association, garnering a C+.[165] According to a review by Gun Owners of America (GOA), "...in 2001, McCain went from being a supporter of anti-gun bills to being a lead sponsor" in toward restrictions on the free speech of pro-Second Amendment organizations.[166] McCain's GOA rating is F-. McCain has promoted the legislation and eventually the granting of citizenship to the estimated 12–20 million illegal aliens in the United States and the creation of an additional guest worker program with an option for permanent immigration. His prominent role in promoting the Senate's 2006 immigration legislation, including an initial cosponsorship role with Ted Kennedy, made him a focus of the debate in 2006, and his support for S.1348 did so again in 2007. The immigration issue caused intense friction within his own party, such as when The Washington Times reported that McCain and South Carolina Senator Lindsey Graham "first checked with Mr. Kennedy before deciding to vote with the Massachusetts Democrat on an amendment to the Senate bill." McCain's immigration stance was widely cited as a major reason for his presidential campaign's difficulty during most of 2007. McCain voted Yes on a 2004 crime bill which mandated prison terms for crimes involving firearms and stricter penalties for other gun and drug law violations.[178] McCain has indicated that he supports the use of the death penalty, mandatory prison terms for selling illegal drugs, and stronger restrictions on the purchase and possession of guns. McCain is a proponent of mandatory sentencing in general. McCain voted in support of the USA PATRIOT Act, as did all but two of the Senators. In a speech in Westport, Connecticut, he said that "sometimes democracies overreact" during times of national security crises, and pledged to periodically review the Patriot Act in order to safeguard civil liberties. Voted Yes on reauthorizing the Patriot Act. Voting for this bill would extend the Patriot Act but with some amendments. Such amendments would clarify the rights of an individual who has received FISA orders to challenge nondisclosure requirements and to refuse disclosure of the name of their attorney. Voting against this bill would terminate the Patriot Act. Voted Yes on extending the Patriot Act’s Wiretap Provision. This piece of legislation would allow the FBI to use roaming wiretaps on U.S. residents and would concede to the Federal Agents entry and access to corporate accounts. Voting for this bill would extend the Patriot Act to December 31, 2009, thereby making its provisions permanent whereas voting against this bill would keep the Patriot Act provisional. In 1983, McCain opposed creating a federal holiday in honor of Martin Luther King, Jr. The House vote was 338-90 and President Reagan signed the bill into law later that year, creating Martin Luther King, Jr. Day. McCain's family has close ties to Anheuser-Busch through its Hensley & Co. distributor. McCain has recused himself from voting on bills before Congress dealing with alcohol-related matters. McCain continued his opposition to a holiday for King by supporting Governor of Arizona Evan Mecham's rescinding of the Arizona state holiday for King in 1987. By 1989, McCain reiterated his opposition to the federal holiday, but reversed position on the state holiday, due to the economic boycotts and image problems Arizona was receiving as a result of it not having one. He later [in April 2008] apologized for opposing the bill initially. Senator Barack Obama [D-IL]: During an October 2004 debate, Obama stated that he opposed education vouchers for use at private schools because he believes they would undermine public schools.[8] In a July 2007 address to the National Education Association, Obama supported merit pay for teachers, to be based on standards to be developed "with teachers."[9] Obama also called for higher pay for teachers. Obama's plan is estimated to cost $18 billion annually and would be partially funded by cutting funding to NASA. The bulk of the cuts would be derived from delaying the Constellation program for five years. "We owe it to our children to invest in early-childhood education; and recruit an army of new teachers and give them better pay and more support; and finally decide that, in this global economy, the chance to get a college education should not be a privilege for the few, but a birthright of every American." Obama and other Senators introduced a bill in 2007 to promote the development of commercially viable plug-in hybrids and other electric-drive vehicles in order to shift away from petroleum fuels and "toward much cleaner – and cheaper – electricity for transportation". Similar legislation is now in effect in the Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007. Obama proposes that the U.S. Government invest in such developments using revenue generated from an auction-based cap-and-trade or emissions trading program to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. On January 24, 2007 Obama spoke about his position on health care at Families USA, a health care advocacy group. Obama said, "The time has come for universal health care in America [...] I am absolutely determined that by the end of the first term of the next president, we should have universal health care in this country." Obama went on to say that he believed that it was wrong that forty-seven million Americans are uninsured, noting that taxpayers already pay over $15 billion annually to care for the uninsured. Obama cites cost as the reason so many Americans are without health insurance. Obama's health care plan includes implementing guaranteed eligibility for affordable health care for all Americans. He would provide for mandatory health care insurance for children. In a June 2006 podcast, Obama expressed support for telecommunications legislation to protect network neutrality on the Internet, saying: "It is because the Internet is a neutral platform that I can put out this podcast and transmit it over the Internet without having to go through any corporate media middleman. I can say what I want without censorship or without having to pay a special charge. But the big telephone and cable companies want to change the Internet as we know it." Obama reaffirmed his commitment to net neutrality at a meeting with Google employees in November 2007, at which he said, "once providers start to privilege some applications or web sites over others, then the smaller voices get squeezed out, and we all lose." At the same event, Obama pledged to appoint a Chief Technology Officer to oversee the U.S. government's management of IT resources and promote wider access to government information and decision making. Obama spoke out in June 2006 against making recent, temporary estate tax cuts permanent, calling the cuts a "Paris Hilton" tax break for "billionaire heirs and heiresses." Speaking in November 2006 to members of Wake Up Wal-Mart, a union-backed campaign group, Obama said: "You need to pay your workers enough that they can actually not only shop at Wal-Mart, but ultimately send their kids to college and save for retirement."[30] Obama has also proposed his own tax plan, including $80 billion in tax cuts for the poor and middle class. Obama voted for a $100 million education initiative to reduce teen pregnancy and provide contraceptives to young people. While serving in the Illinois Senate, Obama received a 100 percent rating from the Illinois Planned Parenthood Council[99] for his support of abortion rights Since his election to the United States Senate Obama has maintained a 100 percent rating from Planned Parenthood (as of 2007) and NARAL (as of 2005). Obama opposed the Induced Infant Liability Act, an Illinois law that would protect babies born accidentally during abortions. A similar law, the Born-Alive Infants Protection Act, became Federal law with near universal support. Obama voted against the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act, saying "I think that most Americans recognize that this is a profoundly difficult issue for the women and families who make these decisions. They don't make them casually. And I trust women to make these decisions in conjunction with their doctors and their families and their clergy." Obama voted against a bill that made it a federal crime for anyone other than a parent to accompany a minor across state lines to obtain an abortion. The bill was signed into law by President Bush in 2005. Obama's tax cuts, when crunched in comparison to McCain's [Link: http://youtube.com/watch?v=9fbxpMw4mco] shows Obama's tax cuts for lower class U.S. Citizens are more than triple that of McCain's. McCain's cuts for the lower income are -$319, and Obama's cut for the lower income is -$1,042. The "-" means the tax cut, or, the more money the U.S. Citizens will make as a result of each candidate's respective policies. If McCain's policy were in place, the lower income class would get, $319 cut. Obama's would give them $1,042 back. For the middle class citizens, McCain's policy would cut -$1,009. While Obama's would cut -$1,290. For the wealthy or upper class individuals, McCain would cut more money for them, by cutting -$2,614. Obama would cut -$2,204 for the wealthy. For the super wealthy, making over $2.9 million, McCain would cut over a quarter of a million dollars, giving them -$269,364. Obama would TAX the Super Wealthy by over $701,885. Meaning McCain would give over a quarter of a million dollars back to the super wealthy, while not being as generous to the lower and middle income classes, while Obama is extra generous to the lower and middle income classes and gives somewhat less back to the upper class citizens, and he would tax the super wealthy by almost three quarters of a million dollars. Obama gives more money to the middle and lower income classes, whilst McCain gives more money to the wealthy and super wealthy income classes. Obama voted in favor of the 2006 version of the Patriot Act. He voted against the Military Commissions Act of 2006 and later voted to restore habeas corpus to those detained by the U.S. (which had been stripped by the Military Commissions Act). He has advocated closing the Guantanamo Bay detention camp, but has not supported two specific bills that would have done so.[147] Obama opposes the use of torture and warrantless domestic wiretaps by the U.S. He voted against the Flag Desecration Amendment in 2006, arguing that flag burning didn't justify a constitutional amendment, but said that he would support a law banning flag burning on federal property. The ACLU has given Obama a score of 88% on civil liberty issues for the 2007 Congressional year. Obama supports embryonic stem cell research and was a co-sponsor of the 2005 Stem Cell Research Enhancement Act which was passed by both houses of Congress but vetoed by President George W. Bush. Obama condemned Bush's veto, saying, "Democrats want this bill to pass. Conservative, pro-life Republicans want this bill to pass. By large margins, the American people want this bill to pass. It is only the White House standing in the way of progress - standing in the way of so many potential cures." He also voted in favor of the 2007 bill for embryonic stem cell research that was passed but was also vetoed by President Bush. Obama has encouraged Democrats to reach out to evangelicals and other church-going people, saying, "if we truly hope to speak to people where they’re at—to communicate our hopes and values in a way that’s relevant to their own—we cannot abandon the field of religious discourse." Obama takes global warming very seriously and he has said that it must be addressed. He has a record of supporting environmentally friendly bills. The issue of climate change is one that we ignore at our own peril. There may still be disputes about exactly how much is naturally occurring, but what we can be scientifically certain of is that our continued use of fossil fuels is pushing us to a point of no return. And unless we free ourselves from a dependence on these fossil fuels and chart a new course on energy in this country, we are condemning future generations to global catastrophe. He has pledged to cut greenhouse gas emissions 80% below 1990 levels by 2050 by creating a market-based cap-and-trade system. Obama also has plans for improving air and water quality through reduced carbon emissions. Barack Obama opposes legalization of marijuana, but supports easing the punishments for possession of small amounts of marijuana. Obama's campaign has said that as president, he "will review drug sentences to see where we can be smarter on crime and reduce the blind and counterproductive sentencing of non-violent offenders, and revisit instances where drug rehabilitation may be more appropriate." Obama has openly supported full decriminalization, which eliminates jail time and other penalties, including a criminal record, for possession of a small amount of marijuana, but later revised his view, claiming an uncertainty over the definition of decriminalization. As a state legislator in Illinois, Obama supported banning the sale or transfer of all forms of semi-automatic firearms, increasing state restrictions on the purchase and possession of firearms and requiring manufacturers to provide child-safety locks with firearms. He supported a "ban" on the sale and possession of handguns on a political questionnaire lacking specific guidelines. In 1999, he urged prohibiting the operation of any gun store within five miles of a school or park, which according to pro-gun advocates would eliminate gun stores from most of the inhabited portion of the United States. He sponsored a bill in 2000 limiting handgun purchases to one per month. Obama has spoken out numerous times against the influence of lobbying in the United States. He also co-sponsored legislation that limits lobbyists' influence by mandating that lawmakers pay full charter fare when flying on lobbyists' corporate jets. Obama supports public financing of political campaigns and has maintained that he will not take contributions from federal lobbyists and special interests during his 2008 presidential campaign. Obama voted against the Federal Marriage Amendment which would have defined marriage as between one man and one woman, but personally believes that marriage is defined as a religious bond between a man and a woman. He supports civil unions that would carry equal legal standing to that of marriage for same-sex couples, but believes that decisions about the title of marriage should be left to the states. He has called for the repeal of the federal Defense of Marriage Act. Obama stated on March 15, 2007, that "I do not agree...that homosexuality is immoral."[117] During the July 23, 2007 CNN/YouTube debate, Obama further stated that "... we've got to make sure that everybody is equal under the law. And the civil unions that I proposed would be equivalent in terms of making sure that all the rights that are conferred by the state are equal for same-sex couples as well as for heterosexual couples." Obama supports expanding the protections afforded by hate crimes statutes to cover crimes committed against individuals because of sexual orientation or gender identity. He has also stated his opposition to the United States' military's controversial "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy, and believes that all individuals should be allowed to serve in the US military regardless of their expressed sexual orientation. Obama was an early opponent of Bush administration policies on Iraq, when many Democratic leaders supported the Congressional joint resolution authorizing the Iraq War. Obama was not yet in the United States Senate, and therefore unable to vote on the joint resolution. On October 2, 2002, the day Bush and Congress agreed on the joint resolution authorizing the Iraq War, Illinois State Senator Obama addressed the first high-profile Chicago anti-Iraq War rally in Federal Plaza at noon and said: "I am not opposed to all wars. I'm opposed to dumb wars. [...] You want a fight, President Bush? Let's finish the fight with Bin Laden and al-Qaeda, through effective, coordinated intelligence, and a shutting down of the financial networks that support terrorism, and a homeland security program that involves more than color-coded warnings." In an interview with BBC's HARDtalk on March 6, 2008, Obama foreign policy adviser Samantha Power stated that Obama's pledge to "have all [US] combat brigades out of Iraq within 16 months" was a "best case scenario" that "he will revisit when he becomes president." She continued, saying that "what we can take seriously is that he will try to get US forces out of Iraq as quickly and responsibly as possible." Immigration Obama supports a guest worker program.[36] Obama has said that he "will not support any bill that does not provide [an] earned path to citizenship for the undocumented population." Obama does not believe that twelve million illegal immigrants can be deported. He said "It's not going to happen. We're not going to go round them up ... We should give them a pathway to citizenship."[37] In September 2006, Obama voted for the Secure Fence Act, authorizing the construction of 700 miles (1,100 km) of fencing along the United States–Mexico border. Political Positions of Barack Obama Wikipedia Article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Barack_Obama#Immigration ---------------------------- Please do not get mad at me if you find something that "smears" your favorite candidate. I am simply copying and pasting neutral standpoint information from Wikipedia or from reliable internet sources. According to Gallup polls, Obama leads in Independents, women, and African American citizens, and according to a poll conducted just a day or two ago, Obama is 3-4 points ahead of McCain [46% Obama to 43% McCain]. According to a national poll conducted on the two candidates, out of twenty four countries surveyed, all of them had confidence that Barack Obama would "do the right thing" except for the United States, which had a tie between the two. "If the election was held today in the world, Obama would win." John McCain is believed to have a hold of Texas, a Republican state. While Obama is believed to have a hold of California, a Democratic state. Who would you vote for and why? Debate. Don't get all out of it though. Many countries are familiar with the upcoming U.S. Election, as we are a world superpower, and many are involved. Most I've met support Barack Obama. As do I. Obama '08 for me! John McCain is just more Bush. If you look at some of the facts I stated, the only REAL thing that he differs hugely from Bush is basically the Stem Cell Research, which he supports. He's basically 85% George W. Bush. The other 15% actually being something different. Obama is almost 100% different. Do you want 15% or 100%? I hope America makes the right choice. McCain clearly does not support homosexual rights, so, he does not support equal rights. Plain and simple. That really throws me off. I identify myself as an Independent, myself. As I originally supported a Republican [Ron Paul, former Libertarian]. I lean democratic on things though. Obama '08 and Debate! Anti Choice Voting Record of John McCain: http://www.prochoiceamerica.org/elections/statements/mccain.html Edited by Sam, Jun 14 2008, 10:18 PM.
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| Rockman | Jun 15 2008, 01:03 AM Post #2 |
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I'm voting for Bob Barr of the Libertarian Party. What really irks me is how people only concentrate on those 2 parties rather than finding the one for them. People who would find the Green party perfect for their beliefs vote democratic. Like my girlfriend. Even though I know that Bob Barr won't get president, I still back him. I'm not voting for McCain because he is way too much of what we already have. I'm not voting for Obama, because I feel he promises more than he can accomplish. There are alot of issues on both sides that I don't agree with. They both include suppression of some type of liberty, which the Libertarian party does not. Issues like Stem Cell research, homosexual marriage, and abortion the government shouldn't have any say in. It should be up to the individual to decide what is right for themselves rather than having some Christian tell you that what you are doing is wrong and make a law telling you that it's illegal to do so, even if it doesn't affect their life in any way. That makes me completely angry. Which is why I turned to the Libertarian party. Edited by Rockman, Jun 15 2008, 01:10 AM.
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| Hodges | Jun 15 2008, 03:32 AM Post #3 |
 
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I'd vote for McCain since he's from my home state...But I got to give it to Obama. He's got better views. |
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| Sam | Jun 15 2008, 05:52 AM Post #4 |
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Vote Obama then... not McCain. What I find truly interesting is the fact a Republican voted --- and not for McCain. That's neat. I find the Libertarian party very interesting. I vote for the candidate with the most equality. Ron Paul was a former Libertarian, and I like the party itself. I have no idea why anyone would vote for Ralph Nader or Bob Barr, because, like you said, they just won't win. Seems like a waste of time to me, but, then again... Edited by Sam, Jun 15 2008, 05:54 AM.
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| Meowth | Jun 15 2008, 01:25 PM Post #5 |
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I'm not going to be voting for anyone because I don't live in America, so yes. But from what I gather, the US doesn't have many states that aren't Republican or Democratic right? I'm not sure how your system works :s When it comes to the UK Elections be it General or just Council then I am most likly going to vote for the Green Party here. But that's for a repersentative of that area, my area has been under Green control for a while, but the rest of my city is split between Labour and Liberal Democrat. I'd vote Liberal Democrats for my area if they stuck up a representive that wasn't a muslim who was racist towards anyone not muslim. But that aside. |
 
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| Hodges | Jun 15 2008, 01:31 PM Post #6 |
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In the end, with the way things are going, I don't think it matters who ends up winning really. With the way the wold is going, America is about to go all snafu on us. No matter who wins, this is going to be a horrible set of years just cuz this pointless oil war. |
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| Meowth | Jun 15 2008, 01:38 PM Post #7 |
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Renewable energy is where it's at. |
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| Hodges | Jun 15 2008, 01:43 PM Post #8 |
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Energy isn't the problem. It's money. Sure it plays a part, but they spend far more on weaponry. The world is just too stupid to last much longer. |
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| Rockman | Jun 15 2008, 01:59 PM Post #9 |
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Energy is the problem. Oil is the only thing the majority of the US knows about. And since there is such stupidity, Oil companies have no problem charging outrageous prices for it. Money is the problem. Things are becoming more expensive, faster. Oil dependency effects that indirectly. Our standard inflation rate of 3% just got bumped up during Bush's time in office. Does anyone see a correlation? |
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| Hodges | Jun 15 2008, 02:06 PM Post #10 |
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The main issue I guess is inflation. Oil isn't the only thing going through the roof, everything is. Flour, at the begining of the last year was only 1.70 or something, now its almost 9 dollars for that same amount. Flour is in almost all our food thus raising those prices through the roof as well. |
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| Rockman | Jun 15 2008, 02:11 PM Post #11 |
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Main issue isn't inflation. But it is a problem now. Like I said, energy and money are the main problems. Oil and the economy. Oil indirectly effects business's ability to transfer goods at certain prices. When Oil companies bump up their prices, the cost of transporting goods is increased, thus raising food prices. It just happens that Flour not only needs energy to be transported, but to be made as well. Thus resulting in higher prices. Also, Farmers are opting out of actually planting crops rather just living on their Ag-exempt farm producing certain things. Such as breeding antelope. Your not breeding it for anyone but yourself, yet you get an ag-exemption so you pay lower taxes and such on your property. THIS is a problem, and is another reason why food prices are going up. |
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| Hodges | Jun 15 2008, 02:16 PM Post #12 |
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Well that makes much more sense now. Now that we've identified the issue, how do we fix it without a reset button OR starting another war? |
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| Meowth | Jun 15 2008, 02:20 PM Post #13 |
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Stop investing so much into the military? That might solve the money problems a bit. |
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| * Light | Jun 15 2008, 02:24 PM Post #14 |
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couldn't agree more, I really detest the way everything is chosen for us, things like censuring everything, just annoys me, It's the same in Britain, where some things are banned for the minority (e.g you had to call Christmas "Winter festival" to make sure no other religions were offended, WTF" And sorry for going off topic, but i don't know much about either, when it comes to, i'd say Obama, simply because I wouldn't want another Bush for America. I also agree with Universal health care |
 
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| Hodges | Jun 15 2008, 02:25 PM Post #15 |
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Aggression and greed won't go away even if the money does Edited by Hodges, Jun 15 2008, 02:29 PM.
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