Broly vs gohan

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Broly vs gohan; confused
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Hero¡£	Jan 16 2009, 10:42 PM Post #31
Posts: 28 Group: Member Member #1,079 Joined: January 20, 2006 Favourite Anime Welcome to the N.H.K What Browser do you use? Firefox	Okay, I backed up my reason, your plain "No Electric Bolts = No Super Saiyan 2" really isn't convincing me.



* Itagaki Manabu	Jan 16 2009, 10:45 PM Post #32
Posts: 4,635 Group: Retired Staff Member #832 Joined: November 6, 2005	Yeah it is pretty simple.... Why would they clearly show the difference between SSJ and SSJ2 in the previous Saga and Gohan at the Tournament and then just totally lgnore it. They wouldnt. Edited by Itagaki Manabu, Jan 16 2009, 10:46 PM.



* Psyam	Jan 16 2009, 10:46 PM Post #33
Posts: 1,788 Group: Retired Staff Member #3,439 Joined: May 18, 2008 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime HxH What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga One Piece	Broly in Movie 10 was able to hold off Gohan's, Goku's and Goten's combined Kamehameha with a single energy ball. The kamehameha is supposed to multiply the users power by about 2.5 according to Raditz's power reading of the kamehameha at the start of DBZ. So Broly held off a 2.5x multipled combined might of Gohan, Goku and Goten. Broly DID become a lot stronger in movie 10. Having a hole punched through him, then being frozen in ice in a critical near death state for 7 years has to be the best near death experience ever, and saiyans get much stronger from near death experiences. In my opinion, there is simply no way Gohan could have held off Broly at LSSJ without being SSJ2. But I might be wrong, maybe he was SSJ. I'm just hoping that most of you will at least consider that they may have made a error with the lightening. It's happened before. An example, there was lightening when Goten and Trunks powered up to super saiyan in Korin's tower to practice aligning their powers for the fusion dance. By most peoples concrete definition, that makes kid Trunks and Goten SSJ2, but we all know that they never went beyond SSJ (unfused).



* Itagaki Manabu	Jan 16 2009, 10:53 PM Post #34
Posts: 4,635 Group: Retired Staff Member #832 Joined: November 6, 2005	I've never seen that, the only thing that you can mistake for lightning is some light effects when they turn super saiyan.



Hero¡£	Jan 16 2009, 10:55 PM Post #35
Posts: 28 Group: Member Member #1,079 Joined: January 20, 2006 Favourite Anime Welcome to the N.H.K What Browser do you use? Firefox	Itagaki Manabu Jan 16 2009, 10:45 PM Yeah it is pretty simple.... Why would they clearly show the difference between SSJ and SSJ2 in the previous Saga and Gohan at the Tournament and then just totally lgnore it. They wouldnt. Yeah in the previous saga (Cell Saga) it was totally obvious, Teen Gohans hair looked completely different in SSJ and SSJ2. In the tournament? I showed you that video, when gohan was SSJ2 you thought he was SSJ. There are times when you can use his hair to determine his what level he's at and sometimes you can't. But I'll never believe the whole "No lighting = No SSJ2" thing :/. And seriously they include the electric bolts when it's obvious that a person is in his SSJ2 form or SSJ3. Yet they ignore sometimes. Also according to you Goku and Vegeta are stupid because they won't go SSJ2 to fight an enemy who is obviously stronger than them. I'm sure they just want the challenge right? Edited by Hero¡£, Jan 16 2009, 10:57 PM.



* Itagaki Manabu	Jan 16 2009, 10:59 PM Post #36
Posts: 4,635 Group: Retired Staff Member #832 Joined: November 6, 2005	Who knows why they didnt go super saiyan 2, maybe they couldnt. If you take out lightning for SSJ2, The long hair and no eyebrows for SSJ3 and the Monkey Jacket and tail for SSJ4. + Why didnt Goku go SSJ3 against Majin Vegeta and Buu... Edited by Itagaki Manabu, Jan 16 2009, 11:00 PM.



Hero¡£	Jan 16 2009, 11:09 PM Post #37
Posts: 28 Group: Member Member #1,079 Joined: January 20, 2006 Favourite Anime Welcome to the N.H.K What Browser do you use? Firefox	Itagaki Manabu Jan 16 2009, 10:59 PM Who knows why they didnt go super saiyan 2, maybe they couldnt. If you take out lightning for SSJ2, The long hair and no eyebrows for SSJ3 and the Monkey Jacket and tail for SSJ4. + Why didnt Goku go SSJ3 against Majin Vegeta and Buu... The transformation from SSJ to SSJ2 wasn't as big a difference when the Cell Saga ended because everyone started getting stronger and I wouldn't want to draw the electric lighting over and over again, One you use it and make it obvious that they are SSJ2 theres no reason to use it over and over. Like when it was Dabura vs Gohan, it was clearly stated that Gohan was weaker than when he defeated cell and he was losing against Dabura. If so why the hell would Gohan stay on his SSJ level and just lose the fight? Now I'm not sure why goku didn't go SSJ3 against Super Buu, probably because he couldn't stay in that form for very long and once it ran out he would be toast, also he wasn't really used to it. He didn't go SSJ3 against Majin Vegeta because he knew Vegetas pride would be crushed and blah blah, you should know the rest. Edited by Hero¡£, Jan 16 2009, 11:10 PM.



* Psyam	Jan 16 2009, 11:10 PM Post #38
Posts: 1,788 Group: Retired Staff Member #3,439 Joined: May 18, 2008 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime HxH What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga One Piece	Itagaki Manabu Jan 16 2009, 10:53 PM I've never seen that, the only thing that you can mistake for lightning is some light effects when they turn super saiyan. Found the clip for you: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIC23Mkihnk&feature=related Its at 6:30-6:54 And while I see your point, it is a lot easier to forget a bit of lightening then it is to remove a complete character appearance change like SSJ3 and SSJ4.



* Itagaki Manabu	Jan 16 2009, 11:19 PM Post #39
Posts: 4,635 Group: Retired Staff Member #832 Joined: November 6, 2005	@Heroi£: Quote: Why would Goku and Vegeta not transform and at least try to fight Super Buu at their full strength? Makes no sense to me. and I don't think he wouldnt have not turned ssj3 to not crush Vegeta's pride. + Gohan may have not turned SSJ2 for the same reason Goku didnt turn SSJ3, maybe he couldnt. @Zant: I would think they were only able to do that as there aura's were joined. When they are apart it never happens.



* Psyam	Jan 16 2009, 11:25 PM Post #40
Posts: 1,788 Group: Retired Staff Member #3,439 Joined: May 18, 2008 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime HxH What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga One Piece	Aye, it could be because both of them are powering up together, or it could just be a one off as could no lightening in movie 10. It just comes down in the end to if you believe the animators never made a mistake or if they did..I doubt we'll ever know for sure.



Hero¡£	Jan 16 2009, 11:30 PM Post #41
Posts: 28 Group: Member Member #1,079 Joined: January 20, 2006 Favourite Anime Welcome to the N.H.K What Browser do you use? Firefox	Itagaki Manabu Jan 16 2009, 11:19 PM @Heroi£: Quote: Why would Goku and Vegeta not transform and at least try to fight Super Buu at their full strength? Makes no sense to me. and I don't think he wouldnt have not turned ssj3 to not crush Vegeta's pride. + Gohan may have not turned SSJ2 for the same reason Goku didnt turn SSJ3, maybe he couldnt. Why wouldn't Goku try not to crush Vegetas pride? Goku is kind-hearted and he knows how obsessed Vegeta is with power. Like when Goku and Trunks were able to go SSJ and he wasn't, he was pissed off. Also when Vegeta defeated Android 19, you saw how happy and full of himself he was. Just because he defeated an opponent Goku couldn't. Also thats one of the reasons he didn't go SSJ3 against Majin Vegeta. Edited by Hero¡£, Jan 16 2009, 11:31 PM.



DbzNerd	Jan 17 2009, 11:33 AM Post #42
Posts: 355 Group: Member Member #3,761 Joined: October 21, 2008 Favourite Anime hunter x hunter, girls bravo Favourite Manga dbz, hunter x hunter, to love-ru	In the manga when Gohan went SSJ after witnessing Videl getting beaten and when he went SSJ2 against Kabito's taunt they have identical hair style. It is confusing though because Gohan's SSJ hair style when sparring against Goten is completely different from the ones shown later in the series .



rmmaniac09	Jan 17 2009, 03:54 PM Post #43
Posts: 148 Group: Member Member #3,896 Joined: January 5, 2009 Favourite Anime Dragon Ball/ Z/GT, Gundam 00 What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga DB/Z manga	I just though of something. Just a possibility, didn't Gohan loose his SSJ2 powers when spopobetch(whatever their names are) and the other guy drained his energy? Kabito even said that during he was healing him, it might take a while for him to regain all of his power and after Buu was destroyed, Gohan went back to studying and whatever. So I'm just saying maybe he can't turn SSJ2 anymore. Edited by rmmaniac09, Jan 17 2009, 03:56 PM.



* Itagaki Manabu	Jan 17 2009, 05:28 PM Post #44
Posts: 4,635 Group: Retired Staff Member #832 Joined: November 6, 2005	Hero¡£ Why wouldn't Goku try not to crush Vegetas pride? Goku is kind-hearted and he knows how obsessed Vegeta is with power. Like when Goku and Trunks were able to go SSJ and he wasn't, he was pissed off. Also when Vegeta defeated Android 19, you saw how happy and full of himself he was. Just because he defeated an opponent Goku couldn't. Also thats one of the reasons he didn't go SSJ3 against Majin Vegeta. Goku would want to finish the fight as quick as possible to stop energy get transferred to Majin Buu. Zant Aye, it could be because both of them are powering up together, or it could just be a one off as could no lightening in movie 10. Why would they forget the Lightning in Movie 10, but not Movie 9? Edited by Itagaki Manabu, Jan 17 2009, 05:30 PM.



Hero¡£	Jan 17 2009, 06:06 PM Post #45
Posts: 28 Group: Member Member #1,079 Joined: January 20, 2006 Favourite Anime Welcome to the N.H.K What Browser do you use? Firefox	Alright I give up, it looks like there's no way to convince you. =(.



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