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Christianity and Human Sacrifice
Topic Started: Mar 30 2008, 11:26 PM (1,950 Views)
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As the Easter holiday passed again, I’ve been thinking quite a bit as of late about the horrid accusations these Right Hand Path individuals have made against my fellow Satanists, as well as against our Church. They’ve accused us of everything from child molestation to kidnapping, ritualistic rape and mutilation (which later became known thanks to the absurd “Satanic Panic” as Satanic Ritual Abuse) to the torture and sacrifice of animals, both human and non human.

As any true Satanist will tell you, these despicable accusations are entirely false, and it seems that since our Churches inception we have had to defend ourselves against these “Jesus-freaks,” who are all too ready to point their fingers and blame us because our chosen lifestyles do not fit in with their strict and self-depriving dogma.

However, let’s take a closer look at the story of their chosen God, the all too human figure they call Christ. This man was not only betrayed by Judas, but also by those people whom he enlightened, and was handed over mercilessly to those whom would later torture and murder him. The story goes that Christ was viciously whipped and beaten, mocked with a crown of sharp thorns, and forced in his severely weakened and battered state, to carry his crucifix to the place of his ultimate demise. Nails were driven through is hands and feet and he was subjected to dehydration, blood loss, and starvation before he was granted the mercy of death. This human being, this now sacred symbol of the Christian faith, is nothing more than an example of how deluded these people are. They are always ready to place the blame on us, the Satanists, for the supposed evils of this world, yet fail entirely to see that their whole basis for a religion comes from one single horrifying act of violence and murder!

Whenever I am reminded of this tragic tale, (because yes, it was indeed a tragedy from my perspective) the only thought that comes to my mind is “Why the hell would so many individuals who are strongly opposed to murder and torture not only support, but worship this act?”

The answer is simple: the promise of a better life and ultimate happiness with very little effort. The catch is, however, you must suffer and be tortured here on earth in order to obtain it. You must deny yourself all of the pleasures of the world around you and the enjoyment of actually living, in order to gain entrance into this supposed glorious afterlife, built by an invisible and intangible “God” figure whom no one can prove exists or not.

This is beginning to sound really worthwhile, isn’t it?

**laughs** Please, don’t fool yourself!

Those whom wish to blame Satanists for all the problems in this world should really get their facts in order. Never once has the Church of Satan or its membership and followers condoned violence, torture, or murder in any fashion, and especially not in the fashion such as the above mentioned. We find the merciless killing of animals, both four as well as two legged, abhorring (with exception to animals being killed for food or in order to preserve our own sacred lives).

So, the next time one of these Christian fanatics starts spouting some over-inflated fictitious story about how horrible and dangerous we Satanists are, remember the innocent “lamb” they led to the slaughter thousands of years ago, and those thousands upon thousands of humans who have been led to the same slaughter since. Those whom they’ve turned into mindless drones, miserable yet they smile still, content with their delusion as they place the crown of thorns upon their heads and the nails are driven into their flesh.
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I think its as a pretty dumb topic in my opinion.

You saying satanists commit no crime is all bull crap, crime can be committed by anyone of any religion. You saying that religious people blame satanists for everything, but now you make a topic like this talking about religious people and violence, doesn't make you much different then they correct?

I am almost positive that this topic is going to offend someone in the forum

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Mar 30 2008, 11:37 PM
I think its as a pretty dumb topic in my opinion.

You saying satanists commit no crime is all bull crap, crime can be committed by anyone of any religion. You saying that religious people blame satanists for everything, but now you make a topic like this talking about religious people and violence, doesn't make you much different then they correct?

I am almost positive that this topic is going to offend someone in the forum

Excuse me, I said Satanists commit no crime? Read it again, I said that The Church of Satan does not condone violence of any kind, contrary to many people’s opinions. I won’t even reply to the other part of your post.

Please, just read this thread again…
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i'm not going to post on the debate here because i don't know enough about satanism
and i'm sure that satanism gets a lot of unfair media and publicity, which can delude people into thinking it's an "evil" religion, which is wrong, but the best thing to do is just ignore it, because your doing what they did to you, insulting someones chosen religion,nist

not all satanist's are bad
not all are good

not all chritians are bad
not all are good
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Still seems like a pretty idiotic thread to me. To me this sounds like you are trying to say chritianity= bad, satanism= good Which in reality it's just nonsense. And it's not like they are worshiping the fact that Jesus got killed, they are worshiping the great sacrifice he made for them. And I say them because I'm an atheist I don't believe in God nor in the Satan crap.

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I read the whole thing, and I have no idea what you wish to debate. This is basically a defense for the religion Satanism. What is it you want to discuss? I'm not familiar with the religion, which is why I find it difficult to understand the point you are attempting to address.

As a Roman Catholic, I do not accuse other religions for the murder of Jesus, but all religions receive criticism regardless of their popularity.
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Mar 30 2008, 06:41 PM
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Mar 30 2008, 11:37 PM
I think its as a pretty dumb topic in my opinion.

You saying satanists commit no crime is all bull crap, crime can be committed by anyone of any religion.  You saying that religious people blame satanists for everything, but now you make a topic like this talking about religious people and violence, doesn't make you much different then they correct?

I am almost positive that this topic is going to offend someone in the forum

Excuse me, I said Satanists commit no crime? Read it again, I said that The Church of Satan does not condone violence of any kind, contrary to many people’s opinions. I won’t even reply to the other part of your post.

Please, just read this thread again…

Also before you say I don't know what you are saying, I know and I'm not saying that you are trying to say that religion is bad, but that's just the impression I got while reading. But eh everyone has their believes

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Just a tip for the future, and I’m not saying this to be a dick, don’t just jump down my throat and call my post stupid if you’re not quite sure what I’m trying to say.

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I read the whole thing, and I have no idea what you wish to debate. This is basically a defense for the religion Satanism. What is it you want to discuss? I'm not familiar with the religion, which is why I find it difficult to understand the point you are attempting to address.

As a Roman Catholic, I do not accuse other religions for the murder of Jesus, but all religions receive criticism regardless of their popularity.


I was making a statement about the prejudice towards the Church of Satan brought on by certain members of the Church. You could agree, disagree, or say something else about my post; not necessarily praising it or bashing it, like the member UltimateYamcha did. If you think I’m wrong, you could tell me how. But, since you said you aren't familiar with the beliefs of the Church of Satan, I guess you don't have all that much to say.
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Mar 30 2008, 07:43 PM
Just a tip for the future, and I’m not saying this to be a dick, don’t just jump down my throat and call my post stupid if you’re not quite sure what I’m trying to say.

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I read the whole thing, and I have no idea what you wish to debate. This is basically a defense for the religion Satanism. What is it you want to discuss? I'm not familiar with the religion, which is why I find it difficult to understand the point you are attempting to address.

As a Roman Catholic, I do not accuse other religions for the murder of Jesus, but all religions receive criticism regardless of their popularity.


I was making a statement about the prejudice towards the Church of Satan brought on by certain members of the Church. You could agree, disagree, or say something else about my post; not necessarily praising it or bashing it, like the member UltimateYamcha did. If you think I’m wrong, you could tell me how. But, since you said you aren't familiar with the beliefs of the Church of Satan, I guess you don't have all that much to say.

Can you describe to me how was Ultimate Yamcha bashing?


correct me if I'm wrong but

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not necessarily praising it or bashing it, like the member UltimateYamcha did.


But that almost sounds like you were saying that UY was bashing...

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not necessarily praising it or bashing it, like the member UltimateYamcha did.


Meaning, he wasn't praising or bashing it, just saying his opinion.

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Oh ok, thanks I misunderstood that post sorry.

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Wouldn't this be considered a "label" topic?
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every post u made haze are full of sh-t. you're church of satan is the biggest disgrace in the world. **** you and **** ur church, if u were smart
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But, since you said you aren't familiar with the beliefs of the Church of Satan, I guess you don't have all that much to say.
you shouldn't have said anything about the church of christ.. well since you think we belive crucifixion is good HAHA this **** kid ban him i cant stand his posts n his ugly display pic lmao ur an idiot.
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Actually he has every right to express his opinion in the fashion he chooses. Because he did it without singling out anyone on this forum for their believes I'm letting it go.
That's the problem with the world today. Every time someone says something that you don't agree with you throw a fit and call him an idiot. Or for example, every time someone draws a picture of Muhammed, they've just been placed on the, "to be executed" list.

It's a damn shame that we must live in fear for expressing our opinion. Because this forum has members from a majority of countries that withhold free speech as important, it stays. Deep Discussion doesn't necessarily have to be a debate area and it seems most of this thread is already heated.
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Mar 30 2008, 11:26 PM
The answer is simple: the promise of a better life and ultimate happiness with very little effort. The catch is, however, you must suffer and be tortured here on earth in order to obtain it. You must deny yourself all of the pleasures of the world around you and the enjoyment of actually living, in order to gain entrance into this supposed glorious afterlife, built by an invisible and intangible “God” figure whom no one can prove exists or not.

I couldn't agree more with that.

That idea, that spirit of living, comes from the whole Adam and Eve story. Supposedly the humankind would now have to work hard and suffer in life in order to get what originally God had to offer to the first Man and Woman walking on Earth. Because of the temptation and because of the sin Adam and Eve committed, eating the apple, which was the only thing they were told not to do, all human beings have now to work for all the things they could take for granted if there was no sin in the story.

This was proved to be one of the reasons why most of european and american countries have so many unqualified workers who feel stressful all the time and hate waking up in the morning to go to work.

On the other hand, Japan was able to develop its industry and technology greatly after the Second World War because of the different morals and ways of living they have adopted, among other technical reasons. Almost all of the japanese workers love to go to work mainly because their ideologies don't tell them they have to work as a punishment for something that is not their fault. Actually, their culture is so rich and they're so devoted and dedicated to working that the highest tax of suicides in Japan is proven to be during the vacation period.

I know this is not the only reason why most european and american people hate to work, but I wanted to give this input to the debate since I thought it was an interesting and curious historical study.

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