Too many Saiyan Levels?

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Too many Saiyan Levels?
Topic Started: Jan 20 2008, 01:17 PM (1,986 Views)
Brolly'ssweetface	Jan 23 2008, 11:20 PM Post #16
Posts: 216 Group: Member Member #2,949 Joined: December 8, 2007	UltimateGohan Jan 23 2008, 03:58 PM i would say the levels are intesting and everntually over time super saiyan one level would just get boring bcuz its always the same thing over and over, and plus they need a power boost to defeat enimies like buu, jamenba ....... etc Thankyou. Quote: As for the movies, not sure about the fake super saiyan thing, although it was kinda cool watching Goku lose his cool and go nuts, and the Legendary Super Saiyan was just the *****, definately a keeper What movie was that? Quote: One thing that kind of bugs me is that it took a thousand years and an amazing warrior under extreme conditions to finally produce a super saiyan. Then by the end of the series you have all kinds of super saiyans and all kinds of levels of it. I mean to have one ssj in a thousand years then to have one generation of fighters go nuts like that doesn't make much sense. Seriously! I mean, it would make more sense if it was just Kakarot and Vegeta. Kakarot trains like crazy and Vegeta comes from the royal bloodline, so both of them qualify. Something else that doesn't make sense to me. I believe it was said in Pan's BT3 bio that she couldn't go SSJ cause she's only 25% Saiyan. That's all fine and dandy, it makes sense, but if that's true then how is it that Vegeta Jr and Goku Jr are able to go SSJ when their Saiyan blood is dilluted?



Super Vegeta	Jan 24 2008, 01:56 AM Post #17
Saiyan Prince Posts: 89 Group: Member Member #2,602 Joined: September 11, 2007	I honestly think there should have been no Super Saiyan 4. I mean Super Saiyan 1 was the storngest form for a long time. Then Super Saiyan 2 came along and it wasn't in the spotlight for very long..it was hardly used. Then theres my favorite Super Saiyan level which is SS3. I think that it should have stopped there. SS3 barely got any screentime at all compared to SS1. It also annoying that almost everyone became a super saiyan. It was really annoying when Goten and chibi Trunks turned super saiyans....it would have been better though if they couldn't achieve Super saiyan seperately, but when the fused, they could... I don't know just my opinions
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The Passenger	Jan 24 2008, 05:50 AM Post #18
Posts: 137 Group: Member Member #3,177 Joined: January 23, 2008	powering up doesnt mean he transforms,he is still the same gohan,form is a partial of transform... i stand corrected



Famicommander	Jan 25 2008, 05:24 AM Post #19
Jukebox hero Posts: 238 Group: Member Member #3,095 Joined: January 7, 2008 Favourite Anime Outlaw Star What Browser do you use? Opera. It's like Firefox, only far superior.	I agree completely. I can't even stand to watch the series after the Cell saga. It should have stayed at Super Saiyan 1, and the series shouldn't have turned into such a power-whore fest. It made all of the non-saiyan characters irrelevant. I also hate how easily the new transformations are made, and how easily the Super Saiyan forms are achieved by Goten and Trunks. All of these characters ascending so far past Super Saiyan and getting to Super Saiyan so easily takes away from the mystique of a super Saiyan. I mean, there was supposedly one in the previous 10,000 years. Now, there are seven (Goku, Gohan, Goten, Trunks, Vegeta, Goku Jr., and Vegeta Jr,) in a span of about 100 years?
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The Passenger	Jan 25 2008, 09:20 AM Post #20
Posts: 137 Group: Member Member #3,177 Joined: January 23, 2008	i think vegeta's facial expression said it all when kid trunks went SS



.da ma G ed	Jan 27 2008, 12:01 AM Post #21
Read this then you have one week to live. Posts: 2,927 Group: Member Member #2,458 Joined: July 28, 2007 Favourite Anime Dragonball What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragonball	What really ticks me off is hopw people say "Dragonball Z characters are ridicuously strong" I mean they're not. They've had their challenges and struggles, so that dosen't say they're the strongest.
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Mitas	Feb 7 2008, 09:34 PM Post #22
Subject To Change Posts: 3,113 Group: Super Moderator Member #2,993 Joined: December 16, 2007 Favourite Anime DBZ What Browser do you use? Internet Explorer Favourite Manga DBZ	Personally, I feel that there are too many SSJ levels. For me, even SSJ 3 was a little too far and I think that they should have stopped at SSJ 2. Rather than adding new levels they should just be able to push the boundaries of SSJ in different ways, e.g Super Trunks, Vegeta's 2nd Grade and the state of SSJ Goku and Gohan keep after the Hyperbolic Time Chamber. I also agree that this way they could have gotten more use out of the weaker characters like Piccolo, Tien and Krillin and that way they could all play important roles fighitng against the bad guys and not just Goku, Gohan and Vegeta. This doesn't necessarilly mean they would be as powerful as Goku and push hum out of the spotlight, they would just be able to hold their own against enemies to the extent that they are useful.
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*Rebel X*	Feb 8 2008, 02:08 AM Post #23
Posts: 5,561 Group: Shadow Rep Member #88 Joined: January 16, 2005	I think GT pretty much made it ridiculous. But I think we got used to it and it worked out. Buu and the Dragons were pretty rough. I think if they went further fusions and more forms they would have ruined it. Otherwise I think it was just kinda cool.
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Psyam	May 18 2008, 12:55 PM Post #24
Posts: 1,200 Group: Super Moderator Member #3,439 Joined: May 18, 2008 Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Firefox	Well..lets see..theres: Oozaru "False Super Saiyan" (As seen in Lord Slug) Super Saiyan Super Saiyan 2nd Grade Super Saiyan 3rd Grade Full Power (Or mastered) Super Saiyan (not really a seperate form but meh.) Super Saiyan 2 Super Saiyan 3 Golden Oozaru Super Saiyan 4 So in a way, there is 10 saiyan levels. Not that i mind, it brought some freshness to the show. It would have been boring with just one level. However i felt Super saiyan 2 and 3 were pushing it a bit, but they ended up growing on me i guess. I do however, despite its coolness, think SSJ4 was too much. I think it should have stayed at SSJ3, being the most power a saiyan can possibly pull out.



*Rebel X*	May 22 2008, 02:50 AM Post #25
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* SSJGoha	May 22 2008, 01:21 PM Post #26
Randomly showing up to kick it old school Posts: 2,101 Group: Retired Staff Member #246 Joined: March 9, 2005	Personally I like the different levels. Not all of them mind you but the idea of it in general. I dont count anything GT and beyond to actually matter lol. I dont think it was ever said anywhere that only certain ones could become SS but those who put in work. And everybody who became one put in the work. it got easier for the younger ones cause i'm going to assume that since the dads could do it, some kinda of biological thing got passed through and made it easier for them. As for why the different changes in levels I think its to illustrate a point. What is the easiest way to show off a increase in something, obviously change. And the easiest way to show a increase in their fighting power is a physical change, and since is so drastic they want you to be aware of it by giving longer hair,bigger muscles and such. I find it easier to believe it that way instead of... "omg goku has gotten stronger, how can you tell? idk just a feeling really... but he doesnt look any different... well im pretty sure hes stronger." Yea thats about all i've got lol



+ green_480	May 22 2008, 04:46 PM Post #27
you either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain Posts: 1,859 Group: Elite Member Member #1,181 Joined: February 25, 2006	I think SS4 should be the only form that exist because it requires the person to be 100% saiyan, that would also make becoming a super saiyan more prestigious.
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.da ma G ed	May 24 2008, 04:24 AM Post #28
Read this then you have one week to live. Posts: 2,927 Group: Member Member #2,458 Joined: July 28, 2007 Favourite Anime Dragonball What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragonball	Pineapple Jan 20 2008, 10:17 PM I've read somewhere a guy saying that DBZ started being ridiculous when Goku kept achieving new SSJ levels. He said it descredited the whole concept of SSJ a bit since it started feeling like there would soon be a SSJ 10 going SSJ 11, and it would never stop, etc. In his opinion, there should only be SSJ 1, the rest was too much fantasy and lack of imagination. He also says that instead of focusing on creating new SSJ transformations and letting SSJ take over, they should have been worried about giving great characters like Piccolo, Tien and some others, a chance to keep evolving and developing new techniques. I have to say that I agree with some parts, I didn't really like it at first that they numbered the SSJ levels, but I got used to it. But what do you think? Do you think they took the concept of SSJ too far? I have just quoted this and did not look at any one else's comments. To be honest i didn't actually mind all of the Super Saiya-Jin levels, it was just that SSJ3 was really pointless use in Dragonball Z and should have come in during the events of Dragonball Gt, because Super Saiyan 4 was way too rubbish plus Super Saiyan 3 was wasted in Dragonball Z. But back to the main topic, Quote: In his opinion, there should only be SSJ 1, the rest was too much fantasy and lack of imagination. He also says that instead of focusing on creating new SSJ transformations and letting SSJ take over, they should have been worried about giving great characters like Piccolo, Tien and some others, a chance to keep evolving and developing new techniques. In my opinion the guy ho stated that was obviously not thinking right, there is no way in hell that the evolution of the SSJ ruined over characters places to fight. Ok let's have a long good look at Krillin, he obviously gave up fighting during the Majin Boo era, you know why? He grew his hair back, and during training with Muten Roshi he says a true fighter shaves his head. So obviously he gave up. Now Yamcha, IMO he was finished after the battle with The Saiyans, after that there was no way you could have made more use with him apart from during the whole Future Trunks/Cell/Android part, we had already seen as much as we could have from him. Tienshinhan, this is someone who i agree we should have seen a little bit more but not much of, he had a big part in Dragonball, and in the first half of Dragonball Z i think we had seen enough of him i mean if I'm correct here's just a list of stuff we say from him. -Ki Blast -Ki Blast Cannon -Tri Beam -Dodon Ray -Solar Flare -Grow 2 Extra Arms -Use 3rd eye for super vision I mean most of the human characters in my opinion weren't meant to have a big role in Dragonball Z as 3 of the main 4 characters of the whole series were introduced Gohan, Vegeta and Trunks. Another reason I'm going to use is Was it the saiyan levels that ruined it for the other characters, or was it the Villans. Now onto the super saiyan part now, i think it was good to have the SS2 as an extension to the first one but not a completely new level, as for Super Saiyan 3 i think that was pointless.
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Antroz	May 27 2008, 07:10 PM Post #29
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Kyonko	May 30 2008, 08:26 PM Post #30
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