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| Topic Started: Jan 20 2008, 01:17 PM (1,984 Views) | |
| Strawberry | Jan 20 2008, 01:17 PM Post #1 |
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I've read somewhere a guy saying that DBZ started being ridiculous when Goku kept achieving new SSJ levels. He said it descredited the whole concept of SSJ a bit since it started feeling like there would soon be a SSJ 10 going SSJ 11, and it would never stop, etc. In his opinion, there should only be SSJ 1, the rest was too much fantasy and lack of imagination. He also says that instead of focusing on creating new SSJ transformations and letting SSJ take over, they should have been worried about giving great characters like Piccolo, Tien and some others, a chance to keep evolving and developing new techniques. I have to say that I agree with some parts, I didn't really like it at first that they numbered the SSJ levels, but I got used to it. But what do you think? Do you think they took the concept of SSJ too far? |
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| ‡Lex‡ | Jan 20 2008, 02:18 PM Post #2 |
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In my opinion yes, but the enemies they encountered like cell and buu would have needed ssj3 but they could of edited that if it was only ssj1. Tien ,Piccolo and the others if they started evolving too much they would push goku out of the part of main character who is suppose to be the strongest usually. |
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| Light | Jan 20 2008, 02:36 PM Post #3 |
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yes and no, They should have developed the weaker charactersa little more, rather than continuosly pushing the boundaries of the saiyans, though it was entertaining to see the saiyans develop new, stronger powers, and it semed that after the saiyan saga, every saga needed a new transformation, but it would have been good if, instead of the saiyans transforming, the humans unlocked new powers or something |
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| Strawberry | Jan 20 2008, 05:28 PM Post #4 |
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I think that at a certain point, the constant evolution of SSJ became a bit... Idk, cheesy? Because they kept transforming like freaking Pokemons lol. And even though I loved the transformations and how they looked (specially SSJ3, the hair was just SO COOL), I think they pushed the line a bit too far. It doesn't really bother me or anything, what bothers me is that while SSJ got all the transformations and relevance, the great classic warriors were left behind. The Buu Saga was an explosion of SSJ, that's why I loved when Tien made his apperance after such a long time, it was a brize of fresh air to the saga (even though it lasted only one episode). |
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| AngelicHottieDS | Jan 20 2008, 05:35 PM Post #5 |
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There were too many saiyan levels. It got ridiculous after Ssj2. Some were truly unneccessary. Not to mention it downgraded the super saiyan level. It used to be a transformation that a selected few could achieve, but somehow Goten and Trunks were able to achieve it at a young age, which is one of the main reasons why I dislike the Buu Saga. Goku jr. and Vegeta Jr. were only 1/16th saiyan and were able to achieve the transformation as well. |
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| fem saiyan | Jan 20 2008, 06:00 PM Post #6 |
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This is a great topic. I've thought about this a lot, and I agree with you that it got ridiculous. It was like, "Oh no, we're going to create a new enemy, but how can we make the saiyans overpower them THIS time?! I know! Super Saiyan 18!" They got so powerful to where the other characters couldn't even touch them. Everyone else became useless. =/ I guess though, that there wasn't really any other choice. |
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| Brolly'ssweetface | Jan 20 2008, 07:57 PM Post #7 |
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Im probably the only person that will say no. I like the fact that the Saiyans had no limits. I understand what you are all talking about, but I like how Kakarot and Vegeta end up surpassing the powers of a god. Saiyans are godly! Besides, they need the higher levels with the stronger enemies they keep facing. I see it not much different from Frieza's 15 transformations. Edit: Now something I did find alittle annoiying was the fact that EVERYONE could become a SSJ. Kakarot and Vegeta busted their asses their whole life just to get to level one, yet the half breeds get this level like it's something you can buy at the dollar store. It insults the whole ledgend of how to become a SSJ. Chibi Trunks and Goten, what motivation could they have possibly had? In order to become a SSJ if you're not a natural one like Brolly, you have to be extremely upset over something, have enough power, losing your mind, and have the will. Look a Future Gohan, he transformed when Piccolo died, Future Trunks when Gohan died, Kakarot when Krillin died, and Vegeta when he was about to die. You think Chibi Trunks in Goten was ever in such a situation before the Buu saga? It was so random. |
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| * BlackØut | Jan 20 2008, 08:34 PM Post #8 |
 
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I'm a little torn here. I thought that the entire Saiyan-Frieza saga series was completely awesome. The story was original, all the characters had enough power to fight, and of course, the legendary Super Saiyan was born. Although that was easily the best story, the Cell and Majin Buu stories were good too. I don't think the Super Saiyan thing got insanely crazy until the Super Saiyan 4 level. However, was there anything wrong with Super Saiyan 2? Goku, Vegeta, Trunks, and Gohan all spent years trying to achieve that level, and when Gohan was finally the one to get it done, it was incredible. The 11-year old was able to do what Vegeta, the Saiyan Prince, Goku, the savior of the world, and Trunks, the one to finally end Frieza could not. That was almost as awesome as seeing Goku transform into a Super Saiyan for the first time. As for Super Saiyan 3, it was also awesome, but not nearly as awesome as the previous two. Vegeta was a Super Saiyan 2 when he died against Majin Buu, and so naturally they needed an even higher level to be reached. And, while they didn't make as big of a deal about SS3 as they did about the others, watching Goku power up to that level before fighting Buu is one of my all-time favorite DBZ moments. It's not like they just throw it in there to be reached whenever they need it. Lots of the main Saiyans died before they were able to reach those levels, and it took a lot of work. Now for the question of originality, I do think that sticking to Super Saiyan 1 and having the other characters (Krillin, Piccilo, Yamcha, Tien, ect.) get more powerful would've also been cool. Either way, I'm fine so long as there's a point to the transformation. |
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| Brolly'ssweetface | Jan 20 2008, 08:41 PM Post #9 |
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I thought SSJ4 was pretty sweet it's so different from the rest and best of all they have their tails back. The fur is sweet and so is the eye color. Not to mention Kakarot and Vegeta made eyeliner on guys look hot before Johnny Depp did. Even if theirs was red. |
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| fem saiyan | Jan 20 2008, 10:01 PM Post #10 |
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Wait, an ascended saiyan is in between a super saiyan and a super saiyan 2, right? I think so... because the ascended saiyan is bulky but 2 is more powerful and faster. Anyway, I like how they can evolve but I don't like how everything has a label... it's not just gaining more power, it always has to be a distinct boundary between one and the other. Are so many transformations necessary? I guess I don't like the idea of someone being able to defeat a super saiyan 2, but then after a transformation, they have all new abilities... It's just too linear for me. |
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| * NeciFiX | Jan 22 2008, 12:06 AM Post #11 |
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Yes. In my honest opinion Super Saiyan 2 should just have been a full power version of the original Super Saiyan and Super Saiyan 3 to be Super Saiyan 2, that would've been nicer, since after all this time they finally gained new power through the SSj level, and, screw the Ultimate SSJ levels or the Super Saiyan Grade 2/3 crap that Vegeta/Trunks used on Semi-Perfect Cell, that was also bogus. Then, filler Anime adds to it by throwing SSj4 in GT and even a new Oozaru form and an even newer possibly SSj level that Gogeta has (I mean, red hair) or some sort of mastered form, plus that "Giji SSj" crap, or that half-SSj form Goku got in movie 4. Urrg. But, nothing we can do. So... The Super Saiyan Forms: Super Saiyan (Branches = "Full Power SSj = former SSj2) Super Saiyan 2 (Actually Super Saiyan 3) And Movie-wise I'd consider "Legendary Super Saiyan" to be a new form, but, eh, you could always toss that into the league of "Perfect Super Saiyan" aka SSj2. And that's it! I also agree Piccolo and Ten should have gotten more of a spotlight. Forms I'd get rid of: Super Saiyan 2 (Change it into full power SSj, they don't look that much different anyways, the hair is spikier and they get electricity, big deal) Super Saiyan 3 (Change it to Super Saiyan 2) "Giji" or "False" Super Saiyan from Movie 4 Super Saiyan 4 "Golden" Oozaru Ultimate Super Saiyan (Super Saiyan 2nd grade, the form Vegeta used to kick Semi-Perfect Cells' arse) Ultimate Super Saiyan 2 (Super Saiyan 3rd Grade, the form Trunks used on Perfect Cell but it failed) Possibly Legendary Super Saiyan (read above, it could be classified as a Super Saiyan form that is like SSj2 or the "Mastered" SSj Form I suggested, but different because of all the muscles) Ultimate Gohan form (Seriously, just give him the frikkin' power and let him go SSj, not assign him a new form). |
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| The Passenger | Jan 23 2008, 02:20 PM Post #12 |
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its not a form if its his natrual power,he never 'takes form' of anything so... |
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| UltimateGohan | Jan 23 2008, 03:58 PM Post #13 |
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i would say the levels are intesting and everntually over time super saiyan one level would just get boring bcuz its always the same thing over and over, and plus they need a power boost to defeat enimies like buu, jamenba ....... etc |
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| gripton | Jan 23 2008, 10:07 PM Post #14 |
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I'm a little torn on this. I like the variety and different forms and stuff, but it did hit a point that might be a little much. In the Frieza saga you finally get the legendary super saiyan. Then against Cell the other adult saiyans go super which wasn't bad, plus you get super saiyan 2(which I agree should have just been an ascended ssj). Also I think the higher levels of saiyan were alright, Trunks was retarded but Vegeta was awesome. Then the Buu saga just went nuts. The saiyan level is trivialized when you have little kids going super at will, you get ssj3, twice, you get two different forms of fusion, a majin awakening, plus that mystic crap Gohan got. I liked the saga and all but I think someone was taking some kind of speed when they wrote it. I haven't even watched GT but konw enough about it. I acually don't mind ssj4 and golden oozaru. What's wrong with having a ssj oozaru? This could very likely change if I fully watched the series though. As for the movies, not sure about the fake super saiyan thing, although it was kinda cool watching Goku lose his cool and go nuts, and the Legendary Super Saiyan was just the *****, definately a keeper. One thing that kind of bugs me is that it took a thousand years and an amazing warrior under extreme conditions to finally produce a super saiyan. Then by the end of the series you have all kinds of super saiyans and all kinds of levels of it. I mean to have one ssj in a thousand years then to have one generation of fighters go nuts like that doesn't make much sense. I don't know if there wsa really much else they could do though without ending the series, although I guess I could see having another saga or two with just Goku and Vegeta going super saiyan. I suppose they do need some way to get more powerful through the series though to amp up the action and have better enemies, but maybe they could have chilled out or taken a different route in some areas. Overall I'd probably rather have it how it is rather than some toned down version though. I'd say they went overboard, but I'm glad they did. |
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| * NeciFiX | Jan 23 2008, 11:14 PM Post #15 |
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He had to power up like how he did to turn Super Saiyan (according to the Old Kai in the Manga) in order to access his power, so technically it IS a form, even if he doesn't glow and sparkle. |
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