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Android 18 (Cell Saga) vs. Pan (GT)
Topic Started: Jan 6 2008, 03:20 PM (2,096 Views)
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Who would win between these two? I know many people don't like Pan, but I think it would be a match to watch.
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Android 18 hands down. Pan's skills never really impressed me, she couldn't get anything done, she was just there because she wanted to be with Goku and Trunks and follow their adventures, but she never actually showed any signs of evolution and progression the whole time she fought with them.

Android 18 could beat a Ssj Vegeta, and could also handle both Ssj Trunks and Ssj Goten (at least for a while). 18 was one of those characters who always proved she wasn't joking around whenever she got into a fight. When she found out Mighty Mask's true identity, she knew she'd have to end the fight quickly, and that's what she focused on doing.

Android 18 accomplished much more credibility in my opinion as a fighter, she seemed much more effective.

Pan couldn't even go Ssj, so Android 18 is clearly the winner of this fight.

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Jan 6 2008, 03:29 PM

Pan couldn't even go Ssj, so Android 18 is clearly the winner of this fight.

Toriyama said that the only reason Pan could not go Super Saiyan was because he couldn't think of a reasonable design for a female Super Saiyan. Some people think that she can't go Super Saiyan because of the fact that she is less than 1/2 Saiyan, but that is disproved by the fact that Goku Jr. and Vegeta Jr. are both Super Saiyan in the final episode of GT. Not being a Super Saiyan isn't any reflection of her power. For example, Goku in his base form during the Buu saga would own the Super Saiyan Goku from the Freiza saga. She may very well have been stronger in her base form than many Super Saiyans were at various points in time.

I'm not saying that she could or could not beat 18, because frankly I don't really care. I'm just throwing it out there.
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Jan 7 2008, 03:46 AM
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Jan 6 2008, 03:29 PM

Pan couldn't even go Ssj, so Android 18 is clearly the winner of this fight.

Toriyama said that the only reason Pan could not go Super Saiyan was because he couldn't think of a reasonable design for a female Super Saiyan. Some people think that she can't go Super Saiyan because of the fact that she is less than 1/2 Saiyan, but that is disproved by the fact that Goku Jr. and Vegeta Jr. are both Super Saiyan in the final episode of GT. Not being a Super Saiyan isn't any reflection of her power. For example, Goku in his base form during the Buu saga would own the Super Saiyan Goku from the Freiza saga. She may very well have been stronger in her base form than many Super Saiyans were at various points in time.

I'm not saying that she could or could not beat 18, because frankly I don't really care. I'm just throwing it out there.

IMHO, there's just not enough evidence to prove that Pan would be strong enough to take on 18. I mean, she never destroyed anyone of significance to make me believe her power level would even exceed Frieza's power level from his own respective Saga.
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Hmm, tough one, NOT! Android 18 hands down.

Android 18 was almost as powerful as #17 and he was equal to Super Piccolo. Super Piccolo is far superior to any Super Saiyans of his time (except Ultimate Super Saiyans and the like) and Pan couldn't even turn Super Saiyan as once said, all facts considered, Pan would get wasted. Plus, 18 has an infinite energy reactor, Pan does not.
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Toriyama said that the only reason Pan could not go Super Saiyan was because he couldn't think of a reasonable design for a female Super Saiyan.

Even though Pan was only really a main character in DBGT, and Toriyama had pretty much next to nothing to do with GT? :p

The reason Pan never turned SSj is simple: she never had a reason to. She was never really pushed to the edge to turn Super Saiyan. Sure Goten and Trunks turned with no problems but that's because Goku and Vegeta were super saiyans when Goten and Trunks were concieved. Now you may say that Gohan was a super saiyan when Pan was concieved, but I think it's pretty evident that Gohan lost quite a lot of power in the seven years between the buu saga and the end of DBZ. So even though he was still able to turn super saiyan he was obviously no where near Goku's or Vegeta's power.

Add to that the totally immature nature of Pan and it doesn't take a genius to figure out why she can't turn super saiyan.

Maybe Pan inherited the fighting abilities of her mother?

Either way, this thread in a no-brainer...#18 would kill Pan with her pinky toe.
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Toriyama said that the only reason Pan could not go Super Saiyan was because he couldn't think of a reasonable design for a female Super Saiyan.

Even though Pan was only really a main character in DBGT, and Toriyama had pretty much next to nothing to do with GT? :p

The reason Pan never turned SSj is simple: she never had a reason to. She was never really pushed to the edge to turn Super Saiyan. Sure Goten and Trunks turned with no problems but that's because Goku and Vegeta were super saiyans when Goten and Trunks were concieved. Now you may say that Gohan was a super saiyan when Pan was concieved, but I think it's pretty evident that Gohan lost quite a lot of power in the seven years between the buu saga and the end of DBZ. So even though he was still able to turn super saiyan he was obviously no where near Goku's or Vegeta's power.

Add to that the totally immature nature of Pan and it doesn't take a genius to figure out why she can't turn super saiyan.

Maybe Pan inherited the fighting abilities of her mother?

Either way, this thread in a no-brainer...#18 would kill Pan with her pinky toe.

Fighting ability is not something you inherit.

It also doesn't matter how much weaker Gohan got from the Buu Saga to the beginning of GT. Trunks and Goten weren't easily able to turn into SSJ's because their Fathers were powerful, but just because of the fact that they themselves were SSJ's. Gohan was the single strongest DBZ fighter at the end of DBZ, so even with his decline in power, he was still much stronger than Goku and Vegeta were when they had Trunks and Goten.

You also have to remember, that Gohan had Pan right after the Buu Saga, so your theory pretty much goes out the window.
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Android 18. She can beat a ssj(Gohan Trunks Vegeta) so she can beat Pan too.
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Android 18. She can beat a ssj(Gohan Trunks Vegeta) so she can beat Pan too.

But it's not like there's some set power level that defines a Super Saiyan. Goku fromthe Cell Saga in his basic form is much stroner than Super Saiyan Goku from the Frieza Saga. Once again, I'm not arguing either way. I'm just saying that whether or not Pan can go Super Saiyan won't necessarily be the deciding factor.
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but pan hasnt really done much in the way of fighting or defeated anyone of significance, so pan wouldnt be any contest for #18 in my opinion.
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android 18 will win in about 2 minuites lol
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