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Got a couple of questions; Broly related, have patience
Topic Started: Dec 28 2007, 09:54 AM (697 Views)
gripton
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My first question(which may disregard the second) is whether or not I should even post anything about this guy as it seems he may have been talked to death already?

If I'm good with the first question, my second involves Broly's actual power. I've read some versus threads and some other stuff(yeah Broly is everywhere, hence the first question) and seem to have a good idea of where his power level is thanks mainly to stats by Corrupted. But these are based of pretty strict given facts about power levels and such in a show that doesn't seem to have any strict continuity and almost molds to fit the situation they come up with. Not to mention that as the show goes on they have to keep making everyone ridiculously more powerful, kind of like feeding a drug habit. These things almost seem to contradict the overall feel for what's going on in the show sometimes which kind of bothers me. Anyway another thing I wanted to mention is that I've read that unlike regular saiyans Broly just keeps getting stronger in LSSJ form rather than wearing out and he never really seems to try to power up much. So if Broly got serious and really powered up and possibly had some training time, would he be ridiculously more powerful or was he already pretty close to his limit?
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Judging from Kakarot and the Prince, the Saiyans have no limit, that's what so special about them. As for Brolly, yes, I beleive he would have been ridiculously strong. He is a natural Super Saiyan, basically born a Super Saiyan. Which was why he was given the Legendary title. Kakarot and Vegeta pretty much had to earn it while Brolly already had it.

His power regenerates itself as seen in movie 8...or was it 10? Anyway in his first movie he was getting stronger after beating the poo out of the Z team when he should have been tired. Not to mention his muscle mass does not interfere with his speed like it does with the other ultra SSJs. (Vegeta and Mirai Trunks)

BTW, you can never talk too much about Brolly. :p
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Dec 28 2007, 07:53 PM
Judging from Kakarot and the Prince, the Saiyans have no limit, that's what so special about them. As for Brolly, yes, I beleive he would have been ridiculously strong. He is a natural Super Saiyan, basically born a Super Saiyan. Which was why he was given the Legendary title. Kakarot and Vegeta pretty much had to earn it while Brolly already had it.

His power regenerates itself as seen in movie 8...or was it 10? Anyway in his first movie he was getting stronger after beating the poo out of the Z team when he should have been tired. Not to mention his muscle mass does not interfere with his speed like it does with the other ultra SSJs. (Vegeta and Mirai Trunks)

BTW, you can never talk too much about Brolly. :p

He wasnt born a super saiyan, he was born with a PL of 5000 (could have been 10,000 i cant remember but im sure its 5) in any case, thats nowhere near qualifying for super saiyan status
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I know, that's not what I meant. I didn't mean he was born with glowing blonde hair. ^^ I meant he was born with the natural power to become a SSJ easily. My fault, for the way I worded that.

Edit: BTW it was 10,000
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Broly's form is truly superior in the fact that it remains a lot more powerful than even Super Saiyan 3rd Grade which Perfect Cell himself said (on the POWER of the state) is "greater than his by a wide margin", and, to top it all off, the form keeps Super Saiyan speed, and, unlike Super Saiyan 3rd Grade which to quote Goku "takes up too much power" (or something like that) he actually GAINS more power in this state. However, there is a limit to how much he can gain, for instance, he can't turn LSSj then stay in the form for 5 years and become more powerful than a SSj4 over time, he does have a limit, as proof in movie 8 when after he beat the crap out of everyone he dispelled his excess power in the form of chi balls that scattered all over the surrounding area.

Could he be even more powerful? Probably. He has the potential. He entertained himself by blowing stuff up when he was a kid and Paragus could never train him (not that he wanted to, nor was qualified to), and then he put him in a mind control device that made him a useless drone, he then finally broke out and got a hole punched in him and flew to Earth and fell into a coma for seven years, this seven year coma was the only time where he got a power boost, and a gigantic one at that as you have seen from my analysis, however, Broly just relies on brute force and overcoming his opponents, he never truly developed any fighting skills, if Broly was forced to face an opponent with equal strength of him, hell, even somewhat weaker (though not hugely so), he'd probably lose.

Why? His opponents in movie 8 and 10 were either children or hugely weaker than himself, thus, his primitive way of fighting which is mainly just to overwhelm the opponent with brute strength succeeded. If he was calmer and actually covered basic training and fighting styles, he could probably go very far, but, this is not the case, so he got blown through the sun. Bummer, huh?

Broly never had a reason to be serious in movie 10, in movie 8, he saw Goku get angry and overwhelm him, thus, got serious and powered up. In movie 10, his power boost from his near death experience (I mean, come on, a hole through him and he lived! That has to be the best near-death state ever in the series, and then a coma for seven years just to recover? When this happened to Goku when he got a hole shot through him by Piccolo when fighting Raditz he barely lived 15 seconds, much less the time it took the pod to get to Earth with Broly in it, then to freeze over and make him go into a coma. Plus, Goku just got a hole in him, Broly's hole was not only a hole, but, it cracked and spread over his body, then exploded!) made him overwhelmingly more powerful, he never powered up in movie 10 when he was an LSSj, didn't need to until he was about to be blown through the sun, but, he didn't have the time, did he? Hell, if the Super Trio Kamehameha didn't blow him into the sun there would be a fourth Broly movie, assuming he was badly injured enough to make a new movie out of it, if he wasn't, he'd just fly back, hurt and *****ed off, and kill them all.

Overall, Broly is just too crazy, pity. His battle techniques suck and it led to his undoing.
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If Brolly was in a saga, his entire story would make more sense. I don't think he has a limit, or any Saiyan for that matter, Brolly wasn't serious because he didn't need to be. Every time he was defeated, it was out of sheer luck of the Z team. I mean it just so happend that Shenron granted Goten's wish without even coming out when we all know that Shenron has to be summoned in order to even hear the wish.

Not to mention the whole being shot into the sun thing. I know ki blast goes a long way, but it doesn't go that far. Think of how far the sun is from the Earth, the ki blast would be all out of energy before it would even get halfway near the sun.

The whole punch scene in movie 8 was unrelistic in the DBZ fasion as well. Buuuuuuuut I guess thats a Z movie for ya. As for Bionic Broly, he's not even worth my typing, i've seen dog terds more appealing than Bionic Broly, he's not even really Brolly anyways.
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In the cell saga a blast hit a planet, which means a ki blast probably could reach the sun, i get the rest off your post though
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It did? Wow, who's ki blast was it? Was the planet further than the Earth's sun?
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Vegeta shot a Final Flash at Perfect Cell and it flew far off out from Earth, the SSj2-SSj-SSj Trio Super Kamehameha was numerous times more powerful than that Final Flash (hugely, immensely, as Vegeta was in Super Saiyan 2nd grade when it was shot, and the trio overcame Broly who is much MUCH stronger than a Super Saiyan 3rd Grade), so, there is logic that it could hit the sun, but, it seems a bit far fetched as the Z-Warriors never directed it to turn around the planet then fly into the sun exactly, it's a Z-Movie though, go figure. They didn't want any chance of Broly living again so that was the best choice, and they took it another step by having his chest/back blow open then him exploding and disintegrating.
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Anyone else feel like Broly was introduced too early in the DBZ timeline. It seems like he is a character that should have been introduced much later, maybe even the last movie or as a saga in GT(haven't seen it but heard it's not that great so maybe just a movie). He seems way too powerful to have been made to fight a bunch of regular saiyans, and some of them childeren at that. His movie should have been about him being the ultimate enemy after the Z fighters thought they had beaten the best out there. It would just make the story all the better that their toughest opponent was a saiyan too. Also on a sidenote, anyone know why Broly has no tail. maybe he could have won if he went Legendary Oozaru(sp?).
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I think his timeline entrance was fine. Although, I REALLY think he should have been a saga in the anime/manga. As I said in a recent post, his story would have made much more sense. And who knows? He could have been adopted into the Z team like Piccolo and Vegeta if given time. It's such a shame that a precious Saiyan such as Brolly went to waste.

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it's a Z-Movie though, go figure. They didn't want any chance of Broly living again so that was the best choice, and they took it another step by having his chest/back blow open then him exploding and disintegrating.


Yeah, you're right.

Edit: Oh yeah, and one more thing, Broly does have a tail, it's in his clothing. (smart guy)
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Yeah I was thinking a saga would have been way better then one of those crappy movies. I also agree that with the saiyan race almost extinct each one introduced should have been kept around or made good use of. That was also a good point that Corrupted made about Broly not exactly being an expert fighter and just using power, but then at the same time the show is almost totally based off who has the higher power level.
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