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| Tweet Topic Started: Dec 12 2007, 07:57 PM (1,621 Views) | |
| * Itagaki Manabu | Dec 12 2007, 07:57 PM Post #1 |
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goku is always seen as the stronger one, only because he became the higher levels before vegeta but what if they went ssj, ssj2 etc at the exact same time who would be stronger, i think goku is only stronger in the forms because he has been in them longer and has had more time training in them. |
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| * ss3 | Dec 12 2007, 11:04 PM Post #2 |
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Hmmm, an interesting thought. This brings up the question when did it all start? Was King Kai's training enough to give Goku the headstart against Vegeta even then? I'd say, if they were both progressing at the same rate, it would all depend on the moment. When Vegeta didn't care about anything but himself and his pride, Goku would win because he considers himself a protector, a guardian, and he wouldn't let his family, friends and the whole Earth/universe down. Then again, somewhere in the end of DBZ, like in that famous Majin Vegeta/SS2 Goku fight and after, Vegeta would have more motive to win, whist Goku wouldn't care so much. That's of course considering Vegeta wouldn't go frantic and threaten to kill everyone on Earth, but only go after Kakarot. |
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| Slade | Dec 13 2007, 11:02 AM Post #3 |
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Wasn't Vegeta stronger in his Super Saiyan 1 form than Goku was, When he fought Android 19, Im Piccolo said he was. |
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| * ss3 | Dec 13 2007, 12:34 PM Post #4 |
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Hm, you're right, he was stronger in SS1 form than Goku, I completely forgot about that Piccolo's line. Well, that's another reason why I think that if they had been training under the same conditions all along, Vegeta's greater desire to win would grant him victory. IMO another situation where he was stronger was in his SS2 Majin form, if only a tad - of course, that's if Goku would not transform into a SS3. |
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| * Itagaki Manabu | Dec 13 2007, 04:39 PM Post #5 |
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Although vegeta had just trained in the hyperbolic time chamber. |
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| Meh. | Dec 13 2007, 04:52 PM Post #6 |
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if they were at the same power level in the same form, i think vegeta would be better, i think he would be more detemined and i think he just seems to be the better fighter imo. goku is too layed back and would be liklier to make mistakes imo. |
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| * Itagaki Manabu | Dec 13 2007, 07:21 PM Post #7 |
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yes i think his determination and will is higher, unles the enemy has gokus friends or family and just killed them or something. |
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| * -Zero- | Dec 14 2007, 03:36 AM Post #8 |
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Actually you are all wrong... Goku lived to fight, why do you think at the end of DBZ he left his family? TO FIGHT, so those that say Vegeta is more determined fighter are wrong, since fighting was basically Goku's life since he was a little kid. Now for the facts Majin Vegeta in SS2 Form against SS2 Goku was only even because of BABIDIS power boost, otherwise Goku would have had the edge... heck even Vegeta admited for Goku being stronger. Sure enough at the cell saga trhere must have been a point where Vegeta was stronger but as the Buu saga came, yes Vegeta trained ahrd all years, so did Goku in the other world. Back to the kid Buu saga now, watch the episode Vegeta's Respect. Lets not forget Vegeta SS vs. Majin Buu (Fat) and Goku in SS against Fat Buu, I think Goku did better than Vegeta did, even though Goku decided to go SS3 to keep Buu distracted |
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| * Itagaki Manabu | Dec 15 2007, 01:34 PM Post #9 |
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im talking about fighting each other, and whats all this about the buu saga and cell games saga, did you read the first post? Goku is stronger in the anime/manga but im talking about if they were the same and had the exact same training etc |
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| Meh. | Dec 15 2007, 03:13 PM Post #10 |
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vegeta is detemined to suppase goku, he has been wanting to defeat him for a long time. yes they are both detemined fighters, but vegeta is determined to defeat goku, whereas goku just loves a good fight. |
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| * ss3 | Dec 15 2007, 05:10 PM Post #11 |
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Sorry, but as much as I love Goku and his determination, Vegeta will always have more of it IMO. Goku loves fighting, that's what he's best at and he would like to fight strong opponents and best them all his life. To Vegeta, being the best is his life. Sure, he enjoys it too because of the Saiyan blood and all, but he doesn't just want the thrill, he wants to be the strongest, he just can't stand when anyone is stronger than him. Challenge? Bah, he's so annoyed with the fact that he, as the Saiyan prince, is inferior to someone, that he doesn't care much about it (even when he lets Cell reach perfection in the Cell saga, it's not so much because of the challenge as much as his cockiness which clouds his judgment completely, and because Cell taunted him, saying he's not really the best). Vegeta's not just determined, he's obsessed. |
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| * -Zero- | Dec 15 2007, 07:02 PM Post #12 |
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And trust me, Goku isn't a fan of losing either he likes to fight and win, yes Vegeta is obsessed with becomin stronger than Goku but that alone won't help. and Joey P I give those sagas as an example because Goku and Vegeta were in the same for of SS or SS2 Now if you mean same powerlevel than it would end on a tie. As vegeta would keep on fighting to win, Goku would keep on fighting because he would love to fight, therefore it would end on a tie |
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| * Itagaki Manabu | Dec 15 2007, 08:10 PM Post #13 |
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no what i meen is that if they had the same exact amount of time to train and the exact same training. |
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| * -Zero- | Dec 15 2007, 08:15 PM Post #14 |
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oh I see what you mean, well it really is tough to know. Thats a really good question, which only one person could answer... Toriyama lol |
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| * Itagaki Manabu | Dec 15 2007, 08:53 PM Post #15 |
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damn him *waves fist frantiqly* |
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