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Atheism
Topic Started: Dec 11 2007, 10:02 AM (3,800 Views)
Rockman
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Is a religion title with social acceptance THAT important to you? If winning over some group was more important to me than being honest with myself, then I wouldn't have taken up the label of "Satanist" in the first place.


No, to be honest, if Satanists are going to add all the symbology and language of the term satan to their religion, but not actually worship the devil itself, and at the same time hold objectivism, humanism, hedonism, and self will at the highest of philosophies, you might as well ditch the title of religion and just be atheist. I don't understand the reasoning behind the title, and practices of the Satanic church, if they aren't actually satanic, rather secular humanism than anything. What I think is, your in it because you have a neurological complex that needs to be fed, the rabble-rousing that is the aftermath of what you are against. You can accomplish the same without classifying yourself as the opposite of the supposed good, and again, without the idols and worshiping that isn't actually present, which is still used to establish the religion itself under symbology. (i'm going in circles)
As for being honest with ourselves, that is why I choose atheism as the possible truth for myself. Much like you choose Satanism as the possible truth for yourself. Why is a religious title important to you at all? Or are you just looking for a good argument by conforming to the opposite of the Big Blob known as Christianity.

Are you saying that satanists "do not" pride themselves on pro-logic? Because I concur whole-heartedly and with a big smile on my face.

Satanism:
1. The worship of Satan characterized by a travesty of the Christian rites.
2. satanism Profound wickedness.

Atheism:
1. Disbelief in or denial of the existence of God or gods.
2. The doctrine that there is no God or gods.

Just like your religion, Atheism is more than just, "no belief in deity". Especially based on the definition of it. You yourself claim that there is more to satanism than what is written in LaVey's word, or the actual term itself. Well, there is more to atheism than your little definition of atheism as well.

Also, your very quick to point the finger at those who haven't studied your religion. Why is doing so, so important to you? Instead of using that as an argument, why not state what were not seeing in your religion that you claim to know, that we do not? Inform us of your religion instead of slinging filler sentences, such as
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is obviously another one of those people who hasn't done much research on my religion.
. Also, i'm as much of a self-labeled atheist, as you are a self-labeled satanist.

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No, to be honest, if Satanists are going to add all the symbology and language of the term satan to their religion, but not actually worship the devil itself, and at the same time hold objectivism, humanism, hedonism, and self will at the highest of philosophies, you might as well ditch the title of religion and just be atheist.


Why? It's clear to me that you can't understand symbolism and ceremony without dragging deity worship into the picture.

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I don't understand the reasoning behind the title, and practices of the Satanic church,

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if they aren't actually satanic, rather secular humanism than anything.


We ARE Satanic. Read up a little more, instead of going along with what evengelical Christians define as "Satanic". The reality is that critical thinking, atheism, creativity, humor, independence, lust, and many other great things in life have always been given the Devil's name. We just make that work for us, instead of white-washing it.

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What I think is, you're in it because you have a neurological complex that needs to be fed, the rabble-rousing that is the aftermath of what you are against.


And what is your evidence of this, beyond the fact that I'm a Satanist?

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You can accomplish the same without classifying yourself as the opposite of the supposed good,


Who said I was doing this? Satanism is not "opposite of the supposed good". I have no interest in teaching you how, you seem very capable of learning about this religion yourself.

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Why is a religious title important to you at all?


The more important question is, why does the fact I have one bother you so much? The only one here who seems to have a problem about religious titles, is you. I am an atheist and I like having an outlined philosophy that reflects the principles I've always upheld, and has the symbolism to go with it. What's YOUR problem?


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Or are you just looking for a good argument by conforming to the opposite of the Big Blob known as Christianity.


Again, what are you basing these ideas on? Satanism, again if you were to actually read about it is just as anti-Buddhist or anti-Muslim in principle.

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Are you saying that satanists "do not" pride themselves on pro-logic? Because I concur whole-heartedly and with a big smile on my face.


No, I was pointing out that the militant, proselytizing "I am an atheist!" types claim to be all "pro-logic", yet still throw fallacies around like the one I pointed out. And this comment of yours just further reinforces that, since your conclusion about what I said does not logically follow from what I said.

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Satanism:
1. The worship of Satan characterized by a travesty of the Christian rites.
2. satanism Profound wickedness.


Ah, the old "dictionary is dogma" argument. Dictionaries give USAGES, not DEFINITIONS. Satanism as an actual religion did not exist until the Church of Satan was founded in 1966. Don't try to muddle it with what the dictonary has to say, when it is obvious that it is not the case. At least it should be.

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Atheism:
1. Disbelief in or denial of the existence of God or gods.
2. The doctrine that there is no God or gods.

Just like your religion, Atheism is more than just, "no belief in deity". Especially based on the definition of it.


How so? What do those two dictionary lines add to the definition? Even if we go along with them, it still says that I'm an atheist.
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evengelical Christians define as "Satanic".

they think the police and the FIB is satanic
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Believe anything you want. That's all I care. I'm in a religion, and I've heard stories of corruption of religions and violent pasts, but who cares, go your own way. Go Atheist, go Christian, whatever.
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Rockman
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My motive in this topic has been to give my personal thoughts on the subject and to argue what I thought was correct/ incorrect. Regardless of how right or wrong I might have portrayed myself as, or was. Now that you are picking apart my posts instead of actually discussing your religion, or atheism in general, I see that no good can come of our future arguments. I'm out. Mark it as a personal win for yourself, or however you might feel about it after you've done so.
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Well, that's an interesting was to end a discussion DG :/

Despite the way I wrote my message (showed quotes of yours and my rebuttals to them) I still think that so far everything I have written has in some way been about atheism and my opinions of it, and arguing why I think some of your opinions are wrong. Sorry if you have taken my posts another way, I had no intentions of making you look like a fool (not that I think I have). You're a smart guy DG, it just seemed that in this debate you jumped into a pool with no water.

As for why I am not giving details about my religion and everything it has to offer, it is because I simply have no interest in doing so, especially to a person who is perfectly capable of finding out himself.
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