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Atheism
Topic Started: Dec 11 2007, 10:02 AM (3,803 Views)
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I do believe god is their. But you all make excellent points. Most religions DO support war, basically every religion does, yet the bible says that is wrong, So they're basically going against Gods word. it also says things about being abusive, yet you see priest molesting children all the time. So religion is really messed up and not even doing what the bible says.

But I believe in god for many reasons, I don't see how we could have came from an explosion, I mean something had to start it, basically with all those, their had to be something to start the other. I mean I see we are similar to monkeys but I don't see how we could have actually came from them. A human brain is the most complex thing ever, I don't see how that could have came from a monkey or anything like that, theirs alot of missing links in that theory to me. Sorry if I came off rude, I don't think I did, but I respect everyone's opinion. just wanted to make that clear. =)
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I'm going to go ahead and shoot my opinion on this.


To me, the bible does not make any since. The reasons why is because almost everyone that attepts to follow it, don't, at all. The first thing I find odd is the fact that according to the christain bible Jesus was a jew. Yet, tons of people think that the jews killed Jesus. The other problem I have is their are so many followers of the chruch that seem to think they are god. In reality the book was written years and years and years ago. There for, their is no way they could have found every bit of it. There are also many things that were thrown out of the bible showing that god wasn't always perfect. Not only that, it is translated. So alot of people have done so. The queston is, Who translated it correctly? Most likely none of them. There for, in my opinion, There are so many different types of religion that the chruch nor any other religion shouldn't be able to claim anything untill they can stop messing up their own religion.


A good example of this would be most of the human society.


It is claimed that it is a sin to judge correct? Yet, many murderors who have killed alot of people turned out to be christains. Many drug addicts were christains. Yet they pin this all on satanists, or another religion. Even though 90% of the time they have nothing to do with it.


Another thing The fact they claim you can go to heaven.

So the book must be implying that if a murderor repents before he dies he should go to heaven? I think not. Unless. ah yes. Their is aplot hole in the bible.

Also, The Crusaids(Sorry for the spelling)

They killed Hundreds. By forceing them to convert. Yet many people say they go to heaven. I find that to be barbaric and sad. If a christain chruch burns down. People cry. Yet if another chruch of different religion burns. people laugh or don't care. Religion it self has caused many wars. Hitler used it to fool people. As do the Klan and as do almost every single war. For example, the salem witch trials.


Even rasism was religion fueled. They were claiming the black man was evil. Now tell me if this isn't judgeing. Now, they blaim everything on metal. In my opinion, They should blaim it upon themselfs.

In conclusion, I think that all religion really does is cause problems in the world. without religion, I think the world would be abetter place.
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The first thing I find odd is the fact that according to the christain bible Jesus was a jew.

According to common sense, Jesus was a Jew. he was born in an Jewish state, to a jewish mother, he lived his entire life as a Jew, as well as dying a Jew. Anything Odd about that?



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Yet, tons of people think that the jews killed Jesus.

The jews DID want jesus dead, his own people turned on him and voted him to die, to orders of the Romans.

i dunno, what were you trying to prove with those two points, a lesson in history?

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Also, The Crusaids(Sorry for the spelling)
They killed Hundreds. By forceing them to convert


wrong again btw.. the Crusades were military trials ordered by the pope (although a few were not) to re-capture the holy land of Jerusalem from Muslim rule of the time. Not to overtake their religion of course, Muslims stayed Muslims and Christians stayed Christians, even after overtaking the city of Jeruselem
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Its all so ironic, Jesus was supposed to be jew, yet the jews still await for christ to be born or so I'v heard dont really know much about the religion of jews

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The Jews are still waiting for their Messiah, they believe Jesus was the False Messiah

Christians as you know belive in the Trinity of god, and put their faith in jesus being THE Messiah

Muslims on that account belive Jesus was a prophet, although not a Messiah in any way

lmao this is what i get for being thrown in a religious ed class a couple of years ago
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Oh I see now, well I used to be christian or cathlic I have no idea what the differences are so I have no idea what I was lol, but I wasnt too sure what the jews believed in, thanks for the info

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Dec 26 2007, 05:59 PM
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The first thing I find odd is the fact that according to the christain bible Jesus was a jew.

According to common sense, Jesus was a Jew. he was born in an Jewish state, to a jewish mother, he lived his entire life as a Jew, as well as dying a Jew. Anything Odd about that?



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Yet, tons of people think that the jews killed Jesus.

The jews DID want jesus dead, his own people turned on him and voted him to die, to orders of the Romans.

i dunno, what were you trying to prove with those two points, a lesson in history?

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Also, The Crusaids(Sorry for the spelling)
They killed Hundreds. By forceing them to convert


wrong again btw.. the Crusades were military trials ordered by the pope (although a few were not) to re-capture the holy land of Jerusalem from Muslim rule of the time. Not to overtake their religion of course, Muslims stayed Muslims and Christians stayed Christians, even after overtaking the city of Jeruselem

Your ignorence was proven right there. The romans and the jews killed Jesus kid.

Common sence. Clearly you have not read the bible.(The real version)


They killed millions for the pope so what i said was in fact correct.
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nothing u said proved that i was wrong or ignorant, i didnt make that post to defend anything of any kind, i just corrected something that u didnt know about

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Your ignorence was proven right there. The romans and the jews killed Jesus kid.

hmm? didnt u say it was odd that he was jewish n that the jews killd him?

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Common sence. Clearly you have not read the bible.(The real version)

ok so, what r u tryng to prove to me wrongo? am i wrong? no im not, i just backed up my statements with points, that IS in fact how you debate, right?
Jesus was born in Bethlehem (Jewish state)
to the virgin mary (Jewish) while his father figure was St. Joseph (Jewish) He was raised a jew, followed jewish tradition, and in a nutshell was wanted dead by the jews, who accused him of blasphemy (for lying to be messiah) RIGHT? although then..
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The romans and the jews killed Jesus kid.

isnt that what i said? i jews wanted him dead, but it was injust for them to kill him w/o the order of the Roman governments ruling, wouldnt that make sense to you, its all in the bible, remeber the High priests of Palestine had to hand him over to Pilate (Roman governer)

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They killed millions for the pope so what i said was in fact correct.

what you said was WRONG, this is what you said, in FINE PRINT.
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They killed Hundreds. By forceing them to convert. Yet many people say they go to heaven. I find that to be barbaric and sad. If a christain chruch burns down. People cry. Yet if another chruch of different religion burns. people laugh or don't care. Religion it self has caused many wars. Hitler used it to fool people. As do the Klan and as do almost every single war. For example, the salem witch trials.

you did not mention the pope, and in bold, it is stated that you assumed the Christian forces assimilated hundreds of other forces, when in fact they did not fight to assimilate any other religion, or else the amount of Christians in the world would have a bigger gap towards the amount of Muslims in the world
lesson 1: DONT TYPE SOMETHING YOU DO NOT CLEARLY KNOW ABOUT

time to hit the books if u care so much, i did my homework on this yrs ago
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Alright, time to get a different view from a different person. I'm a Roman Catholic, just like AH, so yes, I do believe that there is a one, powerful God.

I really hate debating, because I know I end up getting offended at some point... but what the heck. In truth, though I believe in God, I believe in both Religion and Science. Some famous dude said something about Religion being nothing without Science, and Science being nothing without Religion. What I really don't want to do is get in a heated debate about this, because I'm just saying what I want to. I've read and respected all of your opinions, and now I want to finish with this.

Overall, this is a very good debate... but I think everybody should just believe in what they believe, shut the hell up, and have a nice day. By the way, we should have this topic closed now.

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To be perfectly honest i did used to believe but kinda lost faith and found a reason in science but lately ive been finding my way back :)
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I too am an atheist.

"To begin with I wish to clarify those who do not know what Atheism is. It is not a religion, nor a belief, it's a choice, that choice being to not believe in the existence of an omnipotent deity, also known as God(s)."

It's probably already been said, but it is not a choice. People don't choose what they believe, it is not a conscious decision. This is another reason why it does not make sense for God to punish people for not believing in a God.
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Many of you have some very valid points and great discussions. I have some things to add to this debate as well.

I will begin with why I understand Christianity and Judaism to be false. All of my research is based on historical evidence and conclusions we can come to based on them.

Let's start by examining the history of the bible itself. When I refer to the bible, I include all text and scriptures. Found, lost, Canonized, non-canonized, thrown out completely. Historically, the book itself has been written, rewritten, and edited thousands of times to fit the needs and condensing methods of different churches. All in the process, throwing out or generalizing the word of god.

Which brings me to my first point. If it is the will of God for the text of the bible to be interpreted as it was written, why is there a Jewish Council dedicated to editing the bible? Or for that matter, why are there so many editions of the Bible? The big picture is that there is one book, for one God. Yet this is untrue. Tag:(King James Edition) Published in 1611AD.

Many Scholar's try to date the bible. Which is a very difficult process. For the benefit of this debate I will start with the book of Genesis. Which is said to be the first passage within the Jewish Bible. If the start of Ancient Hebrew language is said to be between 10th and 6th BC, then it is safe to assume that the very beginning of the word of God started between 1000BC and 500BC, following is the new testament in early AD. So we need to understand that Judaism, and especially Christianity, are not the oldest religions. This states that there was something before the bible which has been ruled out by billions of people as irrelevant and wrong. Other religions such as the Ancient Egyptian religion (3150BC). A polytheistic religion, however it was still a set of beliefs. Knowing this, many people would ask the question, "does that make one religion more believable than the next?" Regardless of age, the big picture is that this evidence states that there is no true god or single right religion. So if you as a person have no clue as to which religion is more correct than the next, how do you know that your choice will get you into the acclaimed "Heaven."

So editing the text is a common practice. It is a very well known fact and statement that all humans make mistakes. So it is safe to assume that, because humans wrote the bible, that there may be mistakes and misinterpretations within God's word. And as many Christian's today believe, God's word is infallible, and true. This becomes evident in topics like this one as people quote from the bible to prove a point. But, think about what you are quoting. You are quoting the word of a man that is 2000+ years old. And to say that is the word of God may or may not be true. First of all, how did God, (which no one claims to know who or how he is present), talk to these so called prophets? And if he did speak to them, what evidence do we have that tells us that these people truly were given divine intervention to write what they did?

The problem with religion is religion itself. It leaves questions unanswered, and relies on hope and beliefs to render it useful.
Proving God wrong is impossible. As God answers in the human communication form of Yes, No and Maybe. See example below.

Please god allow my family good health.
Yes - Family prospers.
No - Something happens, however it was "god's plan" that it happened.
Maybe - God will grant or not grant the plea based on events that might or might not occur.

This allows god and religion to never become wrong. Also, "God's plan" is an empty verb. It states that your god has a plan for your life, and anything that happens in your life wasn't cause and effect, but rather a miraculous event. Take for example:
"I made horrible grades in law school, but I do remember doing very well with enforcing the law. This must mean it's god's plan for me to become a police officer rather than a Lawyer."

This may or may not be true. No one person can tell if it truly was god's plan for this to occur. However science tells us something else. This person is great at shooting a gun, but terrible at written exams. Adding God to ones life gives an omnipotence that no one person can claim true. I would go as far as saying that it isn't even necessary to do so.
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there's someone's atheist opinion that i can take with respect.. not like that prick mayhem who just said word's for the sake of talking.

btw.. would your views on Islam be the same as for
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? since they're 3 very similiar relgions, and similiar beliefs.
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btw.. would your views on Islam be the same as for
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? since they're 3 very similiar relgions, and similiar beliefs.

I don't typically speak upon Islam because I do not have much experience in their teachings. However Atheists do not hold any one religion higher than the next. The same goes for pseudoscience, and other unexplained events that are of this world.
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I beleave there is "NO" god.
Im a free spirited person that grazes the world on his own free will.

God is the reason there is killings and wars.

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