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Atheism
Topic Started: Dec 11 2007, 10:02 AM (3,804 Views)
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Some people like to have something to belive in, it makes them feel better.
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You believe what you want to believe. I'll believe what I want to believe. There is no sense in arguing where everyone in this topic is atheist. I think even if I didn't have an education, I would have assumptions of a superior being existing such as those in tribes and Natives Americans had.

I do have one question though that no one in this topic had answered. How can you tell the difference between good and evil?
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You really can't actually... Good and Evil... that's all in everyone's different point of views. Like, the most cruelest tyrant could think that he was actually doing something "good" for the world... But in all reality, he was only making things worse.

Everything depends on how you view it. People do whatever they wanna do, it's just that they get so cocky... They tend to force their views on other people... And consider them wrong when that person wants to take no part in it.

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You really can't actually... Good and Evil... that's all in everyone's different point of views. Like, the most cruelest tyrant could think that he was actually doing something "good" for the world... But in all reality, he was only making things worse.

Everything depends on how you view it. People do whatever they wanna do, it's just that they get so cocky... They tend to force their views on other people... And consider them wrong when that person wants to take no part in it.

Brit's right on the money. I once had a user title on here that said "One Man's Right is Another's Wrong", it's basically all a matter of perspective, good and evil, are just words that define opinion, there is nothing in stone.

AHDS, you seem offended and/or upset that everyone is atheist by the " You believe what you want to believe. I'll believe what I want to believe. There is no sense in arguing where everyone in this topic is atheist" comment. Yeah, it's a hard discussion.

I believe in God but do not believe 99% of what is in the Bible. I am spiritual. I am supposed to be Christian but I shake my head at all these ideals that are preposterous, but, I do believe in God and judgment after death. Sex before marriage is bogus, and I can say this since God in the Old Testament (Old Testament God seems to be sort of a prick compared to New Testament God who is a great guy, btw, I'm joking lol but there is a huge difference) demands you to burn Bulls on an altar for him in your backyard.

BBQ is right, religion gives people peace at mind, praying to a power they believe exists actually helps take the burden off the soul, and when a miracle occurs, whether it be from God or not, their faith is strengthened.

Though, thoughts **** up the whole faith thing, just ask any Catholic Priest :p. But, seriously, I believe at least a few things in the Bible to be just stories. I am hesitant to say this saying to myself "is this blasphemy?" but I'm not too sure, may change my mind. Whatever the case, that's my few cents. I believe in God but not some of the Bible. Weird, huh? I have my own ideals that are comprised of many different religions, I am founded on Christian and Lutheran values, follow the 10 Commandments as well as some things in the Bible, I believe Buddhism has a lot of proof and the Four Truths are things that I try to keep in mind and live by, and then, I just pray.

Like I said, thoughts mess with things, when we were very primitive we didn't have the technology to explore the Universe and thought our sun was a God and sacrificed people to it during Solar Eclipses, when we couldn't see galaxies and stars and trace the Big Bang we were more bound to Faith and answers like "God created the world in seven days" and left it at that (I don't believe that BTW, if you do, then, here *pulls out a fossil* FOSSIL.) I met some guy once that said Fossils were the handiwork of the Devil. Hey, maybe he's right, but, I didn't know the Devil actually had a factory built where he built Fossils and cleverly placed them in tar pits and hidden locations all over the world to confuse us.

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Good points Corrupt[ed]. I told this to Kris over msn before. She was able to support her ideas with evidence. I'm passionate when I defend my point of view. I was getting somewhat offended because few posts were bold statements with little evidence to support their thesis. It was basically discrediting or making it seem like a foolish action to those who believe in God.
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,Dec 18 2007, 03:46 AM] BBQ is right, religion gives people peace at mind, praying to a power they believe exists actually helps take the burden off the soul, and when a miracle occurs, whether it be from God or not, their faith is strengthened.

Here's the thing, I can get peace at mind by doing what I like to do, by working on what makes me feel fulfilled and proud of myself, by hugging my family whenever I see them. That is not something you can only get by believing in a superior power.

And yes, Ana told me some of those things yesterday over msn.
She was asking me the why of things. She told me Science answers "how" but not "why". But you can actually get some "why" by looking at our history and at the many studies and theories we developed. This is what I told her, I know Science can't answer everything now, but some centuries ago what Science can answer know was also known as being God the key, God was the answer for some things that are now explainable. That happens because Science and any other camps like History and Socialism and Psychology, etc, are moving camps. They are always in progression. They are relative because they don't take any of their studies as total truths, but they are always trying to explore this crazy world, to make new theories based on reliable proof. Who knows if in some centuries we will know more answers to questions that people think only God is the answer now?

What I feel is that, those who say God is the answer to most of the "why" questions, they are saying no to progression and to all the evolution people in Science and other camps have shown they can offer, because Science doesn't stop trying to search for answers, while those who say God is everything got stuck in time, can't move forward.

And the paradox is, if we all believed God was the supreme answer, none of us we'll be here now enjoying the results of progression and more particularly of technology, that changed the world and changed everything for us, because of Science's hard work.

But everyone is free to believe what they want to. And I agree Religion has given hope and faith to a lot of people in bad moments.

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I value your opinion Kris, but my answer stays the same. I'm not someone who denies human progression. However, I believe God is behind is the main answer to "why" we are here in the first place and progression as we do.

My faith in God is something I value. Nice debating with everyone. I'm done with this topic because it tires me out. If I offended you, I apologize because it is not what was meant. Anywayz, see ya around the forum everyone. :cool:
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Same with me. This kind of debates are exhausting. It's always nice to have them with people who can actually debate and has arguments to base their opinion, though.

I'm out now lol.

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You believe God is your answer to "Why" because you can't accept the possibility that we just exist, you need reason and God is the only thing you can believe in that doesnt require sense or logic
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I have a few things to say

Science method is more proven than the bible - thats one thing (im not saying science is the right one, just stating it)


Now I have a question sure good and evil is different for a lot of people but I think we can all agree on that killing someone who has never done wrong is bad. So my question is


If god is so great and good then why so many inocent children die of diseases?

Now everytime someone tells me that god protects you and what ever thats where the question cam from.


Now another thing people like to tell me, who do you think gave your parents a job? I always answer their boss, they tell me no, god did. If that's true why so many poor people? why so many kids starving in Africa? why can't god give them jobs?


If god is real why doesn't he prove it?



If the "devil" really exists and is evil, why hasn't he come to earth and done evil himself?




There are so many questions I could keep on going and going,but I'll end it here. And by the way those questions I did isnt really for answering, its more of me stating PART of my point as to why I dont believe in god

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Good questions, and you'll always get someone saying "Oh God works in mysterious ways"

The only answer they can give cause they know there isn't an answer to those questions cause God doesn't actually exist
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Dec 19 2007, 09:09 AM
there isn't an answer to those questions cause God doesn't actually exist

Well, as much as I agree with you, that's not an argument you can use in a debate to justify your opinion.

Yankees, religious people say that God doesn't have anything to do with humans' bad actions. It's our fault, God created us to live in peace and harmony.
Unfortunately, that idea is definitely an utopia, we know that is not possible. If such ideal of social perfection worked well, we would live in an anarchy right now, we wouldn't need a Government or any other kind of authority.

I'm not saying I agree with how religious people answer your questions. But I believe that's what they defend.

I gotta agree with you when you ask why God doesn't prove he is real. Even if he is not a humanoid, if he was capable of creating so many greatness and life on Earth, why can't he just show he is real. Why can't we prove it. Why there is no trustable or relevant sign of his presence?

Those who say they see God, why their statements were never proved to be true? And why does God only shows up to certain people if that is actually true? (which I totally don't believe) That would mean God DOES discriminate if he chooses the people he want to be in front of.

Religions are just too vacant...

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Im not exactly an atheist,but I don't follow/believe in any religion. Why am I not exactly an atheist,because I believe its possible something created this universe we live in.

Right now I see religions as something rather stupid in some senses and obsolete. I go to a roman catholic school,and was raised in a roman catholic family and was forced into many RC practices ect when I was a kid by my grandmother,yet I was able to see that there was no logical point to what this group of people did/do. Hey,but thats my opinion.
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I mean sure they would answer "Because god lets us live our lifes.." but doesnt that answer contradict their statement of God gave your parents a job? I mean think about it, it's contradicting.

Also if God is supposed to be the good wouldnt he want peace? I mean most wars start because of religion, if he proved he existed and etc, perhaps wars would stop? But if he is real and never even tries to at least stop all the bad in the world, wouldnt that make him bad as well? I mean seriously, why let innocent 3 year olds die if he can save them? Come on what did a 3 year old do to deserve to die?

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Also if God is supposed to be the good wouldnt he want peace? I mean most wars start because of religion, if he proved he existed and etc, perhaps wars would stop?

True, most wars start because of religion, but then again, every religion has a different God AND a different view, Christians dont believe in the same God as Muslims or Buddhists.

By that religion contradicts each other as they all believe they were created in different ways, Christians believe God made everything and everyone, im pretty sure Buddhists don't sit there thinking "oh so the Christian God created me?"
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