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| Snarup | Dec 11 2007, 10:02 AM Post #1 |
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This may be a sensitive subject to some, so I advise you to read the following at your own discretion. To begin with I wish to clarify those who do not know what Atheism is. It is not a religion, nor a belief, it's a choice, that choice being to not believe in the existence of an omnipotent deity, also known as God(s). I don't want to boil the blood of those who follow any religion, that is your belief and possibly your custom. I respect that and thus you should respect my choice. If you're anything like me, you believe in logic, science, and math. Those three factors are a major key in how humanity has evolved over many years. With that out of the way, let me point you in the direction I'm looking, which in simple terms can be stated like so, "How is it possible?". Most religions deities are all knowing and all powerful, etc. Also, they are believed to share human emotion, which leads me to my next point. Human emotions boil down to two things, happy and sad, other emotions are just a more in-depth explanation of what you feel and it's there by given a term along with the corresponding definition, not to mention some emotions are a chemical off-balance and not an actual feeling. Most of which have been termed by doctors, therapist, etc. Emotions are basically you taking in new information, an exampling being a man has just found out his wife has been fooling around, this leads him to feel a way he may or may not have ever felt. Now we're getting somewhere! If the deity is omniscient or all knowing for those of you who have no idea what that word means, than how would he/she/it feel human emotion when nothing is new to them? So, if you've followed along you should be somewhere close to being in my shoes when dealing with this topic. Although this doesn't end here. Our universe is vast and unmeasured with no end in site nor a location where it all began, all we really know is that our universe is expanding which leads many to believe that we exploded into being what we are today with no real explanation on why or how, this is commonly known as the Big Bang Theory. As the discovery of our solar system and how it works began to blossom, many religions were against it, because it made huge plot holes and other things in there religion. A prime example would be that of the Catholic religion, who at first didn't believe in the Earth revolving around the sun and the revolutionary theory of gravity, let alone the fact that the so called "Heaven" wasn't in the clouds, because we found out that there is something beyond the clouds, which is referred to as the universe. Now let's get into the idea that these deities created us and other forms of life, but apparently only excepts humans into there after-life theory. Not to mention, there are many regions of this world that may have not heard the gospel of your religion, which would than lead to some consequence, such as burning in hell for eternity. I would have more to add, but I'm getting rather tired and would love to see your replies to this topic, it is highly debatable and deserves more attention than you may realize. I will get into that later though. |
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| KidGohan | Dec 11 2007, 10:25 AM Post #2 |
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I don't believe that it is a choice. I have learnt about various religions, been to church and listened to preachers. I just genuinely don't believe that there is anything out there. I didn't choose to believe like this, I just do. |
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| Kero Engi | Dec 11 2007, 02:12 PM Post #3 |
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i've alyways been an Atheis and always will. I dont get tided down by religion, i have my own life to follow, not some god in the sky. he can do what ever he wants, and i can do what ever i want. Relgion courses nothing but war and hatred. Religion is an Invisible prison that tires you down, Relgious people want understand this coz there already tired down and not realized it, my mate belives in a god, and i look at him and he lives a boring life, i look at mine and its fun...cos i can do anything i want. apart from brake the law. |
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| * ss3 | Dec 11 2007, 02:30 PM Post #4 |
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You're reading my mind Sarup, I agree with all of the points you've made. IMO it is time for humanity to grow up - it's so obvious that humans have created religion in the time where their knowledge was limited and when that was the only way they could explain things. A good example is the evolution of gods - look at the deities in Ancient Greece, then Ancient Rome and then the Christianity - people are just adapting the image of god to make it more believable. We now know that there is a great possibility that in such a vast universe other intelligent forms of life could exist, and they are bound to vary in appearance from human race, so how could someone picture god as a human then? A philosopher (can't remember who) once said: "If cows had gods, they would picture them as cows." If the question of an omnipotent deity should remain at all, we should be going in different directions instead of insisting on the already existing supernatural views of what god is that most popular religions preach. But there is of course no way to prove the existence of such a being, we can only guess. The question is, why should we even guess? Why can't we believe in the principles of common reason and science? My guess is that people do it to find comfort. It is good to believe in something, something that can make you stronger in the situations where you're obviously weaker. If religion serves that purpose, then it is acceptable. But it is only a matter of time before humanity will grow up and realize that they can't believe in something like that - maybe the religion will evolve again and maybe it will dissapear completely. My point of view: There is no reason to feel guilty about not believing in "god" as the church represents him/her/ir. You can still believe in many other things - believe in yourself, your inner strength, enjoy every little miracle of life. No one can tell me I am a sinner just because I don't believe in god, nor call me faithless and empty. We can believe in our potential, we can believe that we can change things within the range of our power, no matter how impossible it may seem. If we are in a situation where nothing depends on us - we can still reconsider our options, hope for the best, look at things from a brighter point of view, and if we fail, enjoy in what we have left. Thing that good things will happen to us because we believe in god isn't very realistic - if things go in positive direction for us, the religion will say it's god's will, if they go wrong, it's still god's will. If nothing but bad things happen all our life while someone is having a great life for being a bad person, it's still god's will. Doesn't make any sense to me. Conclusion: Believe in your potential and try to accomplish it. |
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| * Light | Dec 11 2007, 04:17 PM Post #5 |
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I like what religion can do, it can help people fell like they belong, or bring hope to people, for me though there is no one looking out for us, which is why i believe in myself, not a god. I'm stuperstitious though, i won't start a football game unless i'm wearing my hammer amulet necklace, and i won't play cricket without my bandana.b These things secure me, make me feel like i'll play better, a bit like god to his/her people, it makes them feel safe, like there's something helping them. I don't believe in God but some people do, and science isn't always right, according to science, Bumblebees can't fly |
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| Kero Engi | Dec 11 2007, 05:06 PM Post #6 |
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Techicly bees cannot fly, there wings only make them hover for a long perid of time, take and umbrella for example. it'll keep you up but within seconds u tumble to the ground. science?...an old book?...i'll go with science. |
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| * ss3 | Dec 11 2007, 08:34 PM Post #7 |
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Of course science is far from being perfect (although I'm not sure about that bumblebee thing), it has yet to evolve much. But even if it was total and utter crap, it still wouldn't prove god's existence, nor mean that you should start believing in the next best thing (religion). |
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| Meowth | Dec 11 2007, 08:53 PM Post #8 |
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I've never thought there was a greater being running everything and such, none of my perants are religious either, do it disn't really pass on in that sense. People are free to belive what they want to, there are pretty decent reasons why god can't be really but then some people don't think those are enough to say that god can't exsist. To be honest, it doesn't matter if someone wants to belive or not belive in my opinion, some people like to belive and so I would let them, no point upsetting them just because I don't belive S: |
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| Kero Engi | Dec 11 2007, 10:33 PM Post #9 |
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I still says its a Prison that the followers are trapped in. |
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| * brit :) | Dec 11 2007, 11:59 PM Post #10 |
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Honestly (And this is my opinion, so it may sound a bit... unfinished and stupid...) Why believe in something that you've never seen with your own eyes? I mean, I could be wrong, but I'm not gunna set myself up for something that probably doesn't even exist... What really upsets me though is how other religions try to force their views on other people, and if they disagree with it even in the slightest way they're automatically going to go to "hell" or whatever... That's freaking screwed up. you probably don't follow your own religion, yet your forcing your narrow minded views on someone else? C'mon, grow up. Like BBQ said, everyone's free to believe in whatever they want... So yeah, do what you do... Just don't push it on other people... Gosh. [Hope I didn't offend anyone o_o] |
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Dec 12 2007, 05:06 AM Post #11 |
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religion does cause hatred. i believe in the bible, n when i see these fkn pakis in the middle east burning down christian churches i feel like smashing dem. |
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| Kero Engi | Dec 12 2007, 11:42 AM Post #12 |
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True its like my mate, he's always saying im goin to hell, in other words hes threatening me to join a religion belives, Its same with this Muslim at work, he said the people died on 9/11 and 7/7 was because they did'nt belive in Alla (or how ever you spell it) |
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| Xian Tianhan | Dec 12 2007, 05:41 PM Post #13 |
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I'm a Wiccan. So generally I don't believe in God as such, I just believe in spiritualism. Not Heaven or Hell or anything, just that there is something after life. Like ZFIGHTER_PAN said, how can you believe in something you've never seen. Well I've seen spirits and talked to them (don't believe me? pfft, makes no difference), but yet I've never seen or heard anything that tell me there is a one true God who controls all. And that's another thing: "One true God who controls all"...hmm, sound a little German? ![]()
Not to sound biased, but it's generally only Christians who are like this. While I certainly don't have the same beliefs as Catholics or Muslims (Al Qaeda aren't muslims), I do respect them for their strength to hold on to a belief, or idea if you will. But Christians aren't like that. Christians are terrible for trying to force their religion onto people. I know because of several personal experiences. Being a wiccan, I hav countless times been pulled over by christians trying to "save me". Both me and my girlfriend get called "evil witches" every time we pass my girlfriend's local church, because they are aware of our beliefs.
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| Pookie | Dec 12 2007, 06:48 PM Post #14 |
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I'm a Roman Catholic, and I believe God exists. I read some of your points, and I respect that you do not believe in his existence. However, God is not pictured as a human identity. God has no form or gender. God cannot be explained with simple words. Religion does not create evil upon the world; people create evil in the world. In fact, God gave people the gift of free will. It is the people's choice to act evil and hateful. Tray stated that he is here to live his life..exactly! God does not control your choices. You control your choices, and I think that is what some atheists fail to understand. I do not have anything against Atheists nor will I force my beliefs on them, but I do tend to ask them to look around at the world. When you go to school, look around at the trees and the sky. Science may answer "how" something works, but it does not explain "why." Why does a new generation exist? What is the purpose for us being here? Tell all those patients at a hospital that God does not exist. When someone prays, it is because they want that extra strength that will help them continue with life. God gives people hope in this crazy, violent world. To counter Z fighter's comment, why believe in oxygen's existence? You've never seen oxygen with your eyes. You've read it in chemistry books, but you have never actually seen it. It is a tasteless, weightless, and invisible gas. |
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| Slade | Dec 12 2007, 08:44 PM Post #15 |
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Thats not very Christian of you |
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