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SSJ Gogeta V Super Vegito
Topic Started: Dec 2 2007, 12:26 AM (39,551 Views)
deploy Jul 7 2010, 02:26 PM Post #106
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Jul 6 2010, 11:23 PM
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Jul 6 2010, 03:02 PM
I wont be making analysis because I don't think it's possible to make a valid one at all. Comparing him to Buu like that shows only how strong Gogeta at least has to be, not how strong he actually is.
Here is one random example: Freeza and Majin Vegeta are both complete overkill for Nappa, just like Gogeta and Buu are for Janemba, but still, the difference between Fzeeza and Majin Vegeta is HUGE. Can't the difference between Gogeta and Buu also be similar?
You're agreeing with me now... are you not? I'm confused. That's what I said in my post.
Not exactly, I'm saying that Buu is a kind of a lowest point of how strong Gogeta should be, but with this alone we can't determine what is Gogeta's highest possible level of power. We can't say what he is weaker than.

Mathematically shown:
Gogeta ssj = [Buutenks,infinite)

Which would mean, if I were to say that Gogeta is two times stronger than Vegito, there is nothing to go against it.

But I guess we can assume with high certainty that the fusion dance doesn't give more power than the potara fusion (note: we shouldn't assume the opposite, that potara fusion gives more power than fusion dance, this is very debatable and can't be proven). Now we can use an "upper limit" that would make some sense, and that is Vegito himself, then we get something like:

Gogeta ssj = [Buutenks,Vegito ssj]
(note: this is only valid if fusion dance doesn't give more power than potara fusion, which is most likely true)

This would mean that Gogeta's power span is from stronger or equal than Buutenks to equal or weaker than Vegito. He could be anywhere within that range, but I still don't see the reason why would he be that weaker than Vegito. If it is true that potara fusion gives more power than fusion dance only than this could be explained, but that's just a speculation, not a fact.

I rather assume that the increase in power is the same, since it was never stated otherwise (fanslations excluded), and from there, as I said before, due to the requirements for the fusion to work Gogeta would be a bit weaker than Vegito (makes more sense to me).

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Going by canon standard's Vegito would maul Gogeta.

My reason?

SSJ Gotenks was nothing to Super Buu!

For Gogeta to be equal with Vegito SSJ Vegeta would have to be many times stronger than SSJ Goten and nothing implies the gap between them to be THAT great.

Gohan's sparring with Goten and Vegeta's sparring with Trunks both show that while the adults may have been taking it easy the kids weren't many times weaker.

So in the canon Gogeta would be far weaker than Vegito. As for non canon Gogeta? Who knows.
Goten sparring with Gohan? Trunks sparring with Vegeta? ermmm....

The kids are much much weaker than the adults, FACT. Trunks was barely able to walk on 150G, while Vegeta trained on 300G before he even became a Super Saiyan, and Trunks is the stronger one of the kids. They didn't show anything special nor was said, in any way, anything that would make us think that they're close in power to the adults.

The big difference in power between Gotenks and Vegito is more a prof that the kids are much weaker than the adults.
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Sam Jul 9 2010, 09:44 PM Post #107
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Nusu
Jul 7 2010, 05:26 AM
I go with the Potara´s, Elder Kai said they are stronger also its permernant. They should make a "What if" Movie about Vegeto :p, But i really like Gogeta he is seriouse, looks awsome, and got that awsome catchphrase "Its over Janemba im comming for you!"
Cooler
Jul 6 2010, 09:34 PM
Going by canon standard's Vegito would maul Gogeta.

My reason?

SSJ Gotenks was nothing to Super Buu!

For Gogeta to be equal with Vegito SSJ Vegeta would have to be many times stronger than SSJ Goten and nothing implies the gap between them to be THAT great.

Gohan's sparring with Goten and Vegeta's sparring with Trunks both show that while the adults may have been taking it easy the kids weren't many times weaker.

So in the canon Gogeta would be far weaker than Vegito. As for non canon Gogeta? Who knows.
"Maul"? No, You can´t compare SSJ Gotenks to SSJ Gogeta, Since Janemba is as Strong as Buuhan.
Uhh... to reiterate, for the 30th time, the potara DO NOT make them stronger!

It was stated clearly in the Manga that the potara are considered SUPERIOR because it removes the 30 minute time limit. Old Kaio-shin never stated that it physically made them stronger.
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the truth_23 Aug 6 2010, 03:55 AM Post #108
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 I'm sure it was stated that potara was better (or stronger) than the fusion dance. Vegito would win.
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Sam Aug 7 2010, 06:45 AM Post #109
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Aug 6 2010, 03:55 AM
I'm sure it was stated that potara was better (or stronger) than the fusion dance. Vegito would win.
I'm done trying.
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PrinceSayian12 Aug 14 2010, 12:17 AM Post #110
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 Vegito would previal as the winner ... Vegito is much powerful than Gogeta.
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gamesfan Aug 20 2010, 03:17 PM Post #111
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SSJ Vegito/Vegetto definetely takes this one.

By the way, they even made it clear in Dragon Ball Raging Blast that Vegito is stronger.

They made a what if: Vegito vs Gogeta part 1 and Vegito vs Gogeta part 2.

In part 1 you play as Gogeta and when you win, Vegito states he wants a rematch to show his true power and Gogeta replies he can`t because the fusion lasts only 30 min. Vegito retorts to this by saying: Well, Then I`m better by default.

In part 2: You control and play with Vegito this time and when Vegito wins, Gogeta admits Vegito is stronger than him. However he also asks, how is Vegito/Vegetto going to explain to his family the situation he found himself in (having two wives, and such)

Now, of course you can say this doesn`t matter, but still...

With all other proofs it`s obvious Vegito is way better than, and superior to Gogeta!!! :)

Though, Gogeta is incredible, too!!! :)
Edited by gamesfan, Aug 20 2010, 03:18 PM.
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Patrick112391 Aug 20 2010, 03:27 PM Post #112
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 Whoa, I'm to lazy to read the whole thing but All i've been told is that vegito is stronger, and gogeta is faster.

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Nusu Aug 20 2010, 03:51 PM Post #113
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Piccolo Daimao > Piccolo Jr.

Uhm, Games are non-cannon.
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gamesfan Aug 20 2010, 04:17 PM Post #114
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Aug 20 2010, 03:51 PM
Uhm, Games are non-cannon.
So is Gogeta!!! :)
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Sam Aug 21 2010, 03:14 AM Post #115
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gamesfan
Aug 20 2010, 04:17 PM
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Aug 20 2010, 03:51 PM
Uhm, Games are non-cannon.
So is Gogeta!!! :)
He's got ya there.
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Super Goku Aug 21 2010, 03:19 AM Post #116
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 ^^I like these posts. I find that games tend to be more canon than movies anyways. They take direct quotes from the manga in the playable campaign from time to time, and have every outfit down to the detail..

whereas movies never have a set time for when they could take place (well, sometimes they do) and we have problems like what SSJ form Gohan was in in movie 10.

But, Im not sure how reliable quotes that the game designers made up are.

Regardless, I'm going to try to use a technique seen in a game for an argument now, for movie characters like Broly.
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+ Pyrus Aug 21 2010, 03:24 AM Post #117
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 Games are games. Anything can be achieved with games, but movies you can't just change if you don't like something. Movies > games IMHO.
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Sam Aug 21 2010, 06:44 AM Post #118
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Aug 21 2010, 03:19 AM
^^I like these posts. I find that games tend to be more canon than movies anyways. They take direct quotes from the manga in the playable campaign from time to time, and have every outfit down to the detail..

whereas movies never have a set time for when they could take place (well, sometimes they do) and we have problems like what SSJ form Gohan was in in movie 10.

But, Im not sure how reliable quotes that the game designers made up are.

Regardless, I'm going to try to use a technique seen in a game for an argument now, for movie characters like Broly.
It's already quite established that Gohan was SSj2 in movie 10. This is not a problem anymore. It has been confirmed.

In any case, back on topic!
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Nusu Aug 21 2010, 09:27 AM Post #119
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Piccolo Daimao > Piccolo Jr.

gamesfan
Aug 20 2010, 04:17 PM
Nusu
Aug 20 2010, 03:51 PM
Uhm, Games are non-cannon.
So is Gogeta!!! :)
I know right?! I wonder how you figured xD, Joke, Joke. Of course he is. :p
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Ussj Future Trunks Aug 21 2010, 09:35 AM Post #120
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 why still debate this? its stated clearly in the manga that potarra >>> fusion dance by old kai. thats it. no more evidence needed.
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