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SSJ Gogeta V Super Vegito
Topic Started: Dec 2 2007, 12:26 AM (39,552 Views)
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Yeah, I agree with NeciFiX. Vegito would probably win... but then again we'll never know i guess! ^_^
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Vegito would win but i still like Gogeta more because i think his moves are better. Gogeta's spirit cannon move wouldn't work on Vegito though because doesn't it target the evil in the enemy and make it explode? I also like big bang kamehameha but can Gogeta use that or only SS4 Gogeta? So yeah Vegito would win but Gogeta is my favourite.
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Yeah, Vegito is stronger than Gogeta.

Vegito's fusion is permanent and therefore can train in that body forever.
Gogeta only has 30 minutes before the fusion ends.

Plus, the Potara Earrings are known to be stronger than the Fusion Dance. Old Kai said so himself in one of the episodes of the Majin Buu Saga.

I still have so much respect for Gogeta. It was awesome how he man-handled Janemba without breaking a sweat. lol
But if it's Gogeta Super Saiyan 4 vs Super Vegito... It's obvious who would win. lol
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The potara earings create a stronger fusion. The old kai said so himself. :)
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But if it's Gogeta Super Saiyan 4 vs Super Vegito... It's obvious who would win. lol
Yeah, Vegito. Gogeta only has 5 minutes and he's cocky as hell at Super Saiyan 4, lol. I reckon Vegito could survive for 5 minutes with clever use of Afterimage and Instant Transmission. If Gogeta just went berserk on him then yeah fair enough, no contest.
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Mar 2 2010, 12:08 PM
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But if it's Gogeta Super Saiyan 4 vs Super Vegito... It's obvious who would win. lol
Yeah, Vegito. Gogeta only has 5 minutes and he's cocky as hell at Super Saiyan 4, lol. I reckon Vegito could survive for 5 minutes with clever use of Afterimage and Instant Transmission. If Gogeta just went berserk on him then yeah fair enough, no contest.
If Gogeta ssj4 jacks around, then yes his fusion would run out, but that's only if he had 5 min. During GT, the fusion ran out after 15 min. Either Goku or Vegeta said it had only been 15 min. Even if they separate, are you saying Vegito could beat both Goku ssj4 and Vegeta ssj4?

So I don't thing Super Vegito could last that long if Gogeta meant business like he did against Janemba.
Plus, what I meant by "win" is who is stronger. Gogeta ssj4 is obviously way stronger.

Oh and I'm sure Vegito could fend of Gogeta by the Afterimage Technique, but not instant transmission because Gogeta ssj4 is WAY faster than Vegito and can also use instant transmission. I don't think Vegito could last long.
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Dec 2 2007, 01:25 AM
Gogeta in SSj1 was so much more powerful than Janemba Final Form that a direct hit to the face did absolutely nothing, his speed and power was overwhelming to Janemba. Since Janemba is nothing compared to Semi-Ultimate Buu, and Ultimate Gohan was significantly weaker, and as my previous observations stated it would still take Ultimate Gohan a minute or two to finish Janemba off and it only took Gogeta a few moments, then points lead to Gogeta in SSj1 to be a bit stronger than Ultimate Gohan, since Ultimate Gohan was significantly weaker then Semi-Ultimate Buu, then SSj1 Gogeta would fit snuggly at a radius of on par to a bit stronger than Semi-Ultimate Buu.
Gogeta ssj beat Janemba easily and Gohan would prolly do the same, but still, that does not negate this:
Gogeta ssj>>>>>Ultimate Gohan
I'm not saying Gogeta ssj is stronger then Vegitto ssj, only that there is no telling how powerful gogeta ssj is.
Edited by deploy, May 10 2010, 07:04 PM.
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Kinda changed my mind now :), I do believe Vegetto is stronger for a very simple reason and here it is:

Assuming that Goku and Vegeta from Fusion Reborn are just as strong as Goku and Vegeta from Buu saga (when Vegitto was created to be specific).

Metamor Fusion Dance:
- Gogeta's powerlevel depends on the powers of Goku and Vegeta at the time of fusion.
- Both of them must have the exact same powerlevel for the fusion to work.
- Goku is stronger then Vegeta, meaning Goku has to power down to Vegeta's level, meaning Goku's strenth isn't used to the fullest.

while Vegitto:
- His powerlevel does not depend on the powers of Goku and Vegeta at the time of fusion
- He can just power up when fused

Therefore, it is safe to assume that Vegitto can access the full potential (power) of Goku and Vegeta and power up higher then Gogeta.

However this is my opinion only, feel free to disagree or correct me.
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May 10 2010, 07:11 PM
Kinda changed my mind now :), I do believe Vegetto is stronger for a very simple reason and here it is:

Assuming that Goku and Vegeta from Fusion Reborn are just as strong as Goku and Vegeta from Buu saga (when Vegitto was created to be specific).

Metamor Fusion Dance:
- Gogeta's powerlevel depends on the powers of Goku and Vegeta at the time of fusion.
- Both of them must have the exact same powerlevel for the fusion to work.
- Goku is stronger then Vegeta, meaning Goku has to power down to Vegeta's level, meaning Goku's strenth isn't used to the fullest.

while Vegitto:
- His powerlevel does not depend on the powers of Goku and Vegeta at the time of fusion
- He can just power up when fused

Therefore, it is safe to assume that Vegitto can access the full potential (power) of Goku and Vegeta and power up higher then Gogeta.

However this is my opinion only, feel free to disagree or correct me.
Did you guys read my post?

The Old Kai never said the Potara made Vegito stronger. Never. He simply said it was superior because the fusion was indefinite.

Having said that, Vegito would still win, as you can tell from my analysis.

Edit: I quoted the wrong post, sorry bud. Just sayin' though.
Edited by Sam, Jul 5 2010, 12:12 AM.
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Of course I read your analysis, and it's FLAWED. Gogeta's performance was godlike, flawless, he obliterated Janemba without the slightest effort. Even if Buutenks (or in your post Semi-perfect Buu) could have done exactly the same thing to Janemba, that is still, by no means, a prof that they are around the same level of power (just saying).

Let's assume for a moment that Gogeta ssj is exactly as strong as Vegito ssj, would the battle between Gogeta ssj and Janemba be any different? The answer is NO.

What I'm trying to say is that you can't measure Gogeta's limit, those comparisons of yours are pretty much useless here (not trying to be rude), he did so well in his only fight that there was not even an indication of where his limit could be.

But I guess we agree that Vegito is stronger than Gogeta, and I say it's because of the simple reason I mentioned before. Gogeta's power is determined by the power of Goku and Vegeta at the time of fusion, while Vegito's is not.
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Jul 5 2010, 08:33 PM
Of course I read your analysis, and it's FLAWED. Gogeta's performance was godlike, flawless, he obliterated Janemba without the slightest effort. Even if Buutenks (or in your post Semi-perfect Buu) could have done exactly the same thing to Janemba, that is still, by no means, a prof that they are around the same level of power (just saying).

Let's assume for a moment that Gogeta ssj is exactly as strong as Vegito ssj, would the battle between Gogeta ssj and Janemba be any different? The answer is NO.

What I'm trying to say is that you can't measure Gogeta's limit, those comparisons of yours are pretty much useless here (not trying to be rude), he did so well in his only fight that there was not even an indication of where his limit could be.

But I guess we agree that Vegito is stronger than Gogeta, and I say it's because of the simple reason I mentioned before. Gogeta's power is determined by the power of Goku and Vegeta at the time of fusion, while Vegito's is not.
I never said it was perfect. I have read the Manga of Dragonball Z many times, and am probably one of the most knowledgeable people on the subject. Having said that, Anime DBZ is crap and full of plotholes. Movies are part of Anime DBZ.

In all honesty, canon-wise, Gogeta doesn't even exist. GT is non-canon, and so are movies. There's no proof that performing the fusion dance, in Toriyama's world, would make Gogeta, or just a 30-minute version of Vegito.

There is a large margin of error, but, Vegito would win. Boo has been an excellent way to compare him to. You have to make a lot of assumptions to make an analysis like that, and I would welcome you to make a better analysis, but, I just don't think it's possible. :)
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I wont be making analysis because I don't think it's possible to make a valid one at all. Comparing him to Buu like that shows only how strong Gogeta at least has to be, not how strong he actually is.
Here is one random example: Freeza and Majin Vegeta are both complete overkill for Nappa, just like Gogeta and Buu are for Janemba, but still, the difference between Fzeeza and Majin Vegeta is HUGE. Can't the difference between Gogeta and Buu also be similar?
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Going by canon standard's Vegito would maul Gogeta.

My reason?

SSJ Gotenks was nothing to Super Buu!

For Gogeta to be equal with Vegito SSJ Vegeta would have to be many times stronger than SSJ Goten and nothing implies the gap between them to be THAT great.

Gohan's sparring with Goten and Vegeta's sparring with Trunks both show that while the adults may have been taking it easy the kids weren't many times weaker.

So in the canon Gogeta would be far weaker than Vegito. As for non canon Gogeta? Who knows.
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Jul 6 2010, 03:02 PM
I wont be making analysis because I don't think it's possible to make a valid one at all. Comparing him to Buu like that shows only how strong Gogeta at least has to be, not how strong he actually is.
Here is one random example: Freeza and Majin Vegeta are both complete overkill for Nappa, just like Gogeta and Buu are for Janemba, but still, the difference between Fzeeza and Majin Vegeta is HUGE. Can't the difference between Gogeta and Buu also be similar?
You're agreeing with me now... are you not? I'm confused. That's what I said in my post.
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I go with the Potara´s, Elder Kai said they are stronger also its permernant. They should make a "What if" Movie about Vegeto :p, But i really like Gogeta he is seriouse, looks awsome, and got that awsome catchphrase "Its over Janemba im comming for you!"
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Jul 6 2010, 09:34 PM
Going by canon standard's Vegito would maul Gogeta.

My reason?

SSJ Gotenks was nothing to Super Buu!

For Gogeta to be equal with Vegito SSJ Vegeta would have to be many times stronger than SSJ Goten and nothing implies the gap between them to be THAT great.

Gohan's sparring with Goten and Vegeta's sparring with Trunks both show that while the adults may have been taking it easy the kids weren't many times weaker.

So in the canon Gogeta would be far weaker than Vegito. As for non canon Gogeta? Who knows.
"Maul"? No, You can´t compare SSJ Gotenks to SSJ Gogeta, Since Janemba is as Strong as Buuhan.
Edited by Nusu, Jul 7 2010, 05:31 AM.
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