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SSJ Gogeta V Super Vegito
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Feb 5 2013, 09:20 AM
Usually when i look at fusions you can look at it like this.

Fusion dance- a fusion technique made by the metamorans that allows two people of similar size and power to fuse into

one vastly stronger being for a limited time.

Potarra earrings- The secret weapon of the kai's. a magical set of earrings that allows a fusion of ANY two beings regardless of height, or power.

Basically the way i see it to keep it simple is

Fusion dance- a technique that allows a fusion

Potarra's- a set of earrings that allow two people to fuse, they have kai magic in them.
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Potarra earrings- The secret weapon of the kai's. a magical set of earrings that allows a fusion of ANY two beings regardless of height, or power.


But that can make people weaker .... as said by Goku ........ cant it ?
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Or maybe Gt Gogeta( max ssj3) vs vegito (dbz max ssj3) That would be nearly equal
Vegito would get one shot by Base gogeta in his GT
Really? BoGt Goku ~SSJ3 dbz ....so Base Gt goku is about 80 times stronger than his Z self Now lets assume Vegeta has increased his power 80 times too

Now lets say base Z goku buu arc = 10, vegeta =8
Now Goku Gt base = 10*10*2*4=800 Vegeta 8*10*2=160 however lets say he increased his base 4 times stronger (I just substitute the ssj3 multiplier) so base Gt vegeta =8*10*2*4=640
Now lets assume that fusion works like this (A+B)*100
Now base Gogeta (640+640)*100=128000
Z gogeta (8+8)*100=1600 in base 1600*10=16000 in ssj 16000*2=32000 in ssj2 32000*4=128000 in ssj3
So Z ssj3 gogeta=Base Gt Gogeta ..We have said above that base vegito is about ssj3 gogeta z so
in the end
SSJ GOGETA Gt~SSj Vegito Z>Base Gogeta Gt~ssj3 Gogeta Z>~base Vegito>>>>>ssj2 Gogeta Z>Ssj Gogeta z>>> Base Gogeta Z


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Feb 5 2013, 09:20 AM
Usually when i look at fusions you can look at it like this.

Fusion dance- a fusion technique made by the metamorans that allows two people of similar size and power to fuse into

one vastly stronger being for a limited time.

Potarra earrings- The secret weapon of the kai's. a magical set of earrings that allows a fusion of ANY two beings regardless of height, or power.

Basically the way i see it to keep it simple is

Fusion dance- a technique that allows a fusion

Potarra's- a set of earrings that allow two people to fuse, they have kai magic in them.
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Potarra earrings- The secret weapon of the kai's. a magical set of earrings that allows a fusion of ANY two beings regardless of height, or power.


But that can make people weaker .... as said by Goku ........ cant it >
What a power difference? Im guessing not so. otherwise if a SSJ3 Goku and SSJ2 Vegeta fused with the earrings they would be weaker then? Atleast going by what you're saying.
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Feb 5 2013, 09:20 AM
Usually when i look at fusions you can look at it like this.

Fusion dance- a fusion technique made by the metamorans that allows two people of similar size and power to fuse into

one vastly stronger being for a limited time.

Potarra earrings- The secret weapon of the kai's. a magical set of earrings that allows a fusion of ANY two beings regardless of height, or power.

Basically the way i see it to keep it simple is

Fusion dance- a technique that allows a fusion

Potarra's- a set of earrings that allow two people to fuse, they have kai magic in them.
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Potarra earrings- The secret weapon of the kai's. a magical set of earrings that allows a fusion of ANY two beings regardless of height, or power.


But that can make people weaker .... as said by Goku ........ cant it >
What a power difference? Im guessing not so. otherwise if a SSJ3 Goku and SSJ2 Vegeta fused with the earrings they would be weaker then? Atleast going by what you're saying.
I am not saying that

At least Vegeta and Goku are closer to each other .


But can u say the same for Goku and Hercule ?
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Feb 5 2013, 09:31 AM
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Feb 5 2013, 09:27 AM
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Feb 5 2013, 09:20 AM
Usually when i look at fusions you can look at it like this.

Fusion dance- a fusion technique made by the metamorans that allows two people of similar size and power to fuse into

one vastly stronger being for a limited time.

Potarra earrings- The secret weapon of the kai's. a magical set of earrings that allows a fusion of ANY two beings regardless of height, or power.

Basically the way i see it to keep it simple is

Fusion dance- a technique that allows a fusion

Potarra's- a set of earrings that allow two people to fuse, they have kai magic in them.
Quote:
 
Potarra earrings- The secret weapon of the kai's. a magical set of earrings that allows a fusion of ANY two beings regardless of height, or power.


But that can make people weaker .... as said by Goku ........ cant it >
What a power difference? Im guessing not so. otherwise if a SSJ3 Goku and SSJ2 Vegeta fused with the earrings they would be weaker then? Atleast going by what you're saying.
I am not saying that

At least Vegeta and Goku are closer to each other .


But can u say the same for Goku and Hercule ?
As i said before, Hercule's lack of knowledge about Ki, Ki attacks and the basics of how to fly would hurt the fusion, power wouldn't be the problem (Gokule wouldnt even make it to Super Buu IMO)
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Feb 5 2013, 09:20 AM
Usually when i look at fusions you can look at it like this.

Fusion dance- a fusion technique made by the metamorans that allows two people of similar size and power to fuse into

one vastly stronger being for a limited time.

Potarra earrings- The secret weapon of the kai's. a magical set of earrings that allows a fusion of ANY two beings regardless of height, or power.

Basically the way i see it to keep it simple is

Fusion dance- a technique that allows a fusion

Potarra's- a set of earrings that allow two people to fuse, they have kai magic in them.
Quote:
 
Potarra earrings- The secret weapon of the kai's. a magical set of earrings that allows a fusion of ANY two beings regardless of height, or power.


But that can make people weaker .... as said by Goku ........ cant it >
What a power difference? Im guessing not so. otherwise if a SSJ3 Goku and SSJ2 Vegeta fused with the earrings they would be weaker then? Atleast going by what you're saying.
I am not saying that

At least Vegeta and Goku are closer to each other .


But can u say the same for Goku and Hercule ?
As i said before, Hercule's lack of knowledge about Ki, Ki attacks and the basics of how to fly would hurt the fusion, power wouldn't be the problem (Gokule wouldnt even make it to Super Buu IMO)
The sacn i showed , did u see it ?
there Goku says that if it doesnt work .... "he" would get weaker ..... didnt he say that ?
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Good. I keep saying it because it's true.

Potara:
- No time limit.
- Kai style fusion.
- Perfect fusion (as stated by Elder Kai)

Fusion Dance:
- 30 minute time limit.
- Not a Kai style fusion.
- Imperfect fusion.
TerrorOfPerfection
 

Potara:
- No time limit.
- Kai style fusion.
- Perfect fusion (as stated by Elder Kai)


- No time limit is the only aspect logical in Potara

- Kai style fusion doesnt mean its far better

- In which way its perfect ? For what ? No time limit ? That Silly "Rival Boost" ? He didnt say its perfect ... its "better" [though not stated in which way ] than Fusion Dance

TerrorOfPerfection
 

Fusion Dance:
- 30 minute time limit.
- Not a Kai style fusion.
- Imperfect fusion


- One of the only 2 drawback of the Dance
- So what ? The Kai's are not absolute best ....
- How ? Time Limit ? Failed Fusion ?

The Old kai says Potara is "Better" than fusion doesnt make it Perfect
But how its "Better" ?
Prove this before saying potara is Perfect
I haved proved it. No time limit, no failed fusions, magical, Elder Kai's statements, you are just stuck in a loop. You are wrong, Gogeta fanboy, welcome to my ignore list.
Welcome to my warn list. This is no way to speak to people who are raising valid points in discussion. I have seen nothing wrong with what DSB has been saying - the only one bandying around the fanboy attitude is you as you have not sufficiently argued as to why potara earrings are the better fusion technique. Repeating the same old phrases and expecting them to get you a winning result is not going to work when people have decent arguments to say half of what you are saying is wrong.

In my experience of DBZ it always seemed that the potara earrings were more effective because they lacked the time limit that the fusion dance has but they could also fuse anybody together. The whole deal with the fusion dance was that they had to have a similar power or size in order to do it. In other words the dance requires more attention to detail whereas the earrings do not necessarily. I do not know whether that makes one more powerful than the other though.
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Usually when i look at fusions you can look at it like this.

Fusion dance- a fusion technique made by the metamorans that allows two people of similar size and power to fuse into

one vastly stronger being for a limited time.

Potarra earrings- The secret weapon of the kai's. a magical set of earrings that allows a fusion of ANY two beings regardless of height, or power.

Basically the way i see it to keep it simple is

Fusion dance- a technique that allows a fusion

Potarra's- a set of earrings that allow two people to fuse, they have kai magic in them.
Quote:
 
Potarra earrings- The secret weapon of the kai's. a magical set of earrings that allows a fusion of ANY two beings regardless of height, or power.


But that can make people weaker .... as said by Goku ........ cant it >
What a power difference? Im guessing not so. otherwise if a SSJ3 Goku and SSJ2 Vegeta fused with the earrings they would be weaker then? Atleast going by what you're saying.
I am not saying that

At least Vegeta and Goku are closer to each other .


But can u say the same for Goku and Hercule ?
As i said before, Hercule's lack of knowledge about Ki, Ki attacks and the basics of how to fly would hurt the fusion, power wouldn't be the problem (Gokule wouldnt even make it to Super Buu IMO)
The sacn i showed , did u see it ?
there Goku says that if it doesnt work .... "he" would get weaker ..... didnt he say that ?
Ahh no i didn't until now.

I guess then the potarra's arent so great afterall, however.
Do you believe that Hercule's lack of knowledge about Ki hurts the fusion?
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Good. I keep saying it because it's true.

Potara:
- No time limit.
- Kai style fusion.
- Perfect fusion (as stated by Elder Kai)

Fusion Dance:
- 30 minute time limit.
- Not a Kai style fusion.
- Imperfect fusion.
TerrorOfPerfection
 

Potara:
- No time limit.
- Kai style fusion.
- Perfect fusion (as stated by Elder Kai)


- No time limit is the only aspect logical in Potara

- Kai style fusion doesnt mean its far better

- In which way its perfect ? For what ? No time limit ? That Silly "Rival Boost" ? He didnt say its perfect ... its "better" [though not stated in which way ] than Fusion Dance

TerrorOfPerfection
 

Fusion Dance:
- 30 minute time limit.
- Not a Kai style fusion.
- Imperfect fusion


- One of the only 2 drawback of the Dance
- So what ? The Kai's are not absolute best ....
- How ? Time Limit ? Failed Fusion ?

The Old kai says Potara is "Better" than fusion doesnt make it Perfect
But how its "Better" ?
Prove this before saying potara is Perfect
I haved proved it. No time limit, no failed fusions, magical, Elder Kai's statements, you are just stuck in a loop. You are wrong, Gogeta fanboy, welcome to my ignore list.
Welcome to my warn list. This is no way to speak to people who are raising valid points in discussion. I have seen nothing wrong with what DSB has been saying - the only one bandying around the fanboy attitude is you as you have not sufficiently argued as to why potara earrings are the better fusion technique. Repeating the same old phrases and expecting them to get you a winning result is not going to work when people have decent arguments to say half of what you are saying is wrong.

In my experience of DBZ it always seemed that the potara earrings were more effective because they lacked the time limit that the fusion dance has but they could also fuse anybody together. The whole deal with the fusion dance was that they had to have a similar power or size in order to do it. In other words the dance requires more attention to detail whereas the earrings do not necessarily. I do not know whether that makes one more powerful than the other though.
He has no argument, silly girl.
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Usually when i look at fusions you can look at it like this.

Fusion dance- a fusion technique made by the metamorans that allows two people of similar size and power to fuse into

one vastly stronger being for a limited time.

Potarra earrings- The secret weapon of the kai's. a magical set of earrings that allows a fusion of ANY two beings regardless of height, or power.

Basically the way i see it to keep it simple is

Fusion dance- a technique that allows a fusion

Potarra's- a set of earrings that allow two people to fuse, they have kai magic in them.
Quote:
 
Potarra earrings- The secret weapon of the kai's. a magical set of earrings that allows a fusion of ANY two beings regardless of height, or power.


But that can make people weaker .... as said by Goku ........ cant it >
What a power difference? Im guessing not so. otherwise if a SSJ3 Goku and SSJ2 Vegeta fused with the earrings they would be weaker then? Atleast going by what you're saying.
I am not saying that

At least Vegeta and Goku are closer to each other .


But can u say the same for Goku and Hercule ?
As i said before, Hercule's lack of knowledge about Ki, Ki attacks and the basics of how to fly would hurt the fusion, power wouldn't be the problem (Gokule wouldnt even make it to Super Buu IMO)
The sacn i showed , did u see it ?
there Goku says that if it doesnt work .... "he" would get weaker ..... didnt he say that ?
Ahh no i didn't until now.

I guess then the potarra's arent so great afterall, however.
Do you believe that Hercule's lack of knowledge about Ki hurts the fusion?


Yes ... it would ..... but the power difference would hurt much more

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He has no argument, silly girl.


Have some decency ... u have been warned just now
She's a Moderator for God's Sake .... u cant talk to a mod like that
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Good. I keep saying it because it's true.

Potara:
- No time limit.
- Kai style fusion.
- Perfect fusion (as stated by Elder Kai)

Fusion Dance:
- 30 minute time limit.
- Not a Kai style fusion.
- Imperfect fusion.
TerrorOfPerfection
 

Potara:
- No time limit.
- Kai style fusion.
- Perfect fusion (as stated by Elder Kai)


- No time limit is the only aspect logical in Potara

- Kai style fusion doesnt mean its far better

- In which way its perfect ? For what ? No time limit ? That Silly "Rival Boost" ? He didnt say its perfect ... its "better" [though not stated in which way ] than Fusion Dance

TerrorOfPerfection
 

Fusion Dance:
- 30 minute time limit.
- Not a Kai style fusion.
- Imperfect fusion


- One of the only 2 drawback of the Dance
- So what ? The Kai's are not absolute best ....
- How ? Time Limit ? Failed Fusion ?

The Old kai says Potara is "Better" than fusion doesnt make it Perfect
But how its "Better" ?
Prove this before saying potara is Perfect
I haved proved it. No time limit, no failed fusions, magical, Elder Kai's statements, you are just stuck in a loop. You are wrong, Gogeta fanboy, welcome to my ignore list.
Welcome to my warn list. This is no way to speak to people who are raising valid points in discussion. I have seen nothing wrong with what DSB has been saying - the only one bandying around the fanboy attitude is you as you have not sufficiently argued as to why potara earrings are the better fusion technique. Repeating the same old phrases and expecting them to get you a winning result is not going to work when people have decent arguments to say half of what you are saying is wrong.

In my experience of DBZ it always seemed that the potara earrings were more effective because they lacked the time limit that the fusion dance has but they could also fuse anybody together. The whole deal with the fusion dance was that they had to have a similar power or size in order to do it. In other words the dance requires more attention to detail whereas the earrings do not necessarily. I do not know whether that makes one more powerful than the other though.
He has no argument, silly girl.
You have no argument either. They already logically disproved 2 out of the 3 things you claimed. So instead of spamming up the topic and disrespecting me why don't you just move along if this topic is so insulting to your sensibilities? Try not to ruin it for everybody else, mmkay? ;)
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Both sides have arguments. People just see their own side too strongly that they won't accept the other sides arguments to taken seriously.

I personally think that potara is without a doubt stronger based on the reasons people have said in the topic, but that doesn't mean I think the other side have no argument, even if I disagree with it. I just don't think it's fair to say either side has no argument.
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Thanks Bex

Now.... i dunno why are people taking me wrongly ..........

Potara is far from being the "Perfect Fusion" and its a fact , regardless of what old kai says

Fusion Dance is also not perfect ... but it is better

In Fusion Dance , 2 people have to work hard , have to make their minds one and think themselves as a single entity ..... they have to perfect the dance and for more power in their fusion , they have get more stronger .... then they get great powers , maybe for 30 mins , but their hard work pays ..... the overall thing has a positive note ..... work hard and get the power

In Potara , however , there is nothing like this ............ anyone can try gain power with just putting an earring on .... u dont work hard to get power and this is BAD ...... Potara fusion gives u a little more power than Fusion Dance............ but it fuses u permanently with someone else .... u lose ur individuality for more power .... and if things dont go as planned ..... u can lose power and be stuck that way forever ...... the potara takes much more than it gives .... so , the overall thing has a negative note

This makes Fusion Dance >>> Potara

Now ..... powerwise .... Potara > Fusion Dance and its proven

Now see this :

Scan 1


Scan 2


Scan 3


Scan 4



In Scan 1 , Old Kai didnt say Fusion Dance cant beat Buutenks .... he said that Buutenks wont allow them to use the dance
In Scan 2 , He says the Potara is "Better" than Fusion .... but didnt say how
In Scan 3 , He says Potara has no time limit ... its forever ....
In Scan 4 , He says that Vegito is Powerful becoz Goku and Vegeta are 2 of the greatest in the Universe AND They are MORE powerful becoz their Fusion is complete as they are rivals

Taking Scan 1 Statement , Vegito>~Gogeta [becoz potara gives u a little more power than Fusion Dance]

Taking Scan 2 and 3 statements , maybe he means that Potara is "Better" than Fusion as it has no time limit and gives u a little more power than Fusion Dance .

Taking Scan 4 Statement , He says that Vegito is Powerful becoz Goku and Vegeta are 2 of the greatest in the Universe .

Fusion of Goku and Vegeta will be Very strong [by ^^these words] and he then talks about that idiotic "Rival Boost"

So .... SSj Vegito [Rival Boost] >>> SSj Vegito [No Rival Boost] >~ SSj Gogeta

Whats the difference between SSj Vegito [No Rival Boost] and SSj Gogeta ?

Take SSj Vegito [No Rival Boost] = 20000 and SSj Gogeta = 19970

The difference ?

SSj Vegito [No Rival Boost] = 1.001502 x SSj Gogeta

thats practically no difference at all

and there is no reason that Kai statements are absolute .... becoz Kais are not the greatest in the universe .... mortals like saiyans and namek [and others too , i think] have surpassed them in terms of power and magic [ Eg : Saiyans Power and Namek's Dragon balls ]
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Please, the idea that Vegetto would barely be different from Gogeta without the rivalry boost simply silly. I've no idea how one could come to that conclusion. After Goku has already been told of the Potara's greater effectiveness, his prediction of his fusion with Gohan is still off by an entire form, which should be more than enough to disprove that silly "1.0005474x" figure I keep seeing (which, from what I've seen so far, seems totally baseless).
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Please, the idea that Vegetto would barely be different from Gogeta without the rivalry boost simply silly. I've no idea how one could come to that conclusion. After Goku has already been told of the Potara's greater effectiveness, his prediction of his fusion with Gohan is still off by an entire form, which should be more than enough to disprove that silly "1.0005474x" figure I keep seeing (which, from what I've seen so far, seems totally baseless).
Maybe u are right

its not that i am totally sure about that

but at least i know one thing ... SSj Vegito [ without Rival Boost ] would be closer to SSj Gogeta than to Buuhan


But i firmly believe that Potara is far from being the " Perfect Fusion "
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