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SSJ Gogeta V Super Vegito
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Alex D. Boss	Jan 22 2013, 09:09 PM Post #301
Posts: 8,688 Group: Probation Member #8,536 Joined: November 8, 2012 Gender Male Country Canada	Vegito > SSJ3 Gogeta would be enough ROFLMAO Gogeta is trash compared to Vegito. Vegito is just better stronger and more powerful. Gogeta is weak , useless and trash , and weak.



+ Pointer	Jan 22 2013, 09:14 PM Post #302
... Posts: 7,062 Group: Elite Member Member #8,812 Joined: January 5, 2013 Gender Male	This is an endless thread, Gogeta fans just simply cant accept that base vegito buu arc >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Base gogeta buu arc Base vegito Godstomps base Gogeta Edited by Pointer, Jan 22 2013, 09:14 PM.



~~DSB~~	Jan 23 2013, 11:47 AM Post #303
The Showstopper Posts: 3,850 Group: Suspended Member #8,626 Joined: November 29, 2012 Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox 16 Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	Well Judging how Potara Fusion is Haxed .... i being a Gogeta fan have to admit that SSj vegito > SSj3 Gogeta AT wanted something cooler than Gogeta .... he gave us a ****
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+ Pyrus	Jan 23 2013, 05:11 PM Post #304
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Quote: -people twisting gokus words. he says that the only way to beat buu is to combine bodies. he never says that metamoran fusion cant beat him. he doesnt say that the potara is the only way since if you fuse, you are fused, it makes no difference. I disagree, friend. It was the topic of the Potara that brought Son Goku to say what he did. Chapter: 503 (DBZ 309), P8.8 Context: Goku tries to get Vegeta to use the Potara with him, but Vegeta refuses Goku: “Knowing you, I thought you might say that…! There ain’t any other way to beat Majin Boo!” Quote: it was even stated that the potara had nothing to do with vegitos power. it was because goku and vegeta fused and they were 2 out of the 3 masters in the world. http://www.pojo.biz/board/showpost.php?p=23968915&postcount=83 Quote: -people have the kids absurdly close to goku and vegeta in power or even surpassing them which is unsupported by manga canon. they exaggerate the power gain that they got in the ROSAT. they claim that since goten and trunks must be stronger than their dads, gotenks is stronger than vegeta and vegito was stronger than buuhan therefore vegito>gogeta. Nobody is claiming Goten and Trunks post-RoSaT are stronger than their fathers. The gap would just not be a multifold gap like you are implying. Quote: -people use guidebooks that have countless mistakes in them and arent written by akira toriyama. That depends heavily on which guidebook you're referring to, and which entry. "Countless" would be a harsh exaggeration as well, sir. Quote: -people say that goku and vegetas rivalry makes vegito stronger and that is beyond nonsense. its more like the driving force which make goku and vegeta constantly want to be better than eachother and vegito is so strong because of them wanting to constantly getting stronger. This I do agree with. Quote: -people twist elder kais words. he never said that they were stronger. he said that they were more effective. nothing more, nothing less. people need to drop this trash argument. But, sir, if time is specifically mentioned as its own pro, what other could "effect" mean? Quote: -akira made vegito because he didnt want to reuse gogeta. if gogeta wasnt made prior, the metamoran fusion of goku and vegeta would beaten buu in the same fashion vegito did and wouldve probably split inside buus body due to the time limit and not due to buus magic forcing the fusion apart. That would be conjecture, good sir. Unless this came from Akira Toriyama's own mouth, or Boo and Gogeta had fought, you would not be able to sufficiently support this point. Quote: -people say that buu saying that even if goku and vegeta fused they couldnt stop him proves vegito>gogeta. he still thought that he could beat ssj vegito after he showed clear superiority to him. using this as an argument is nonsene. Sir, remember! It was specifically pointed out that at that time, Boo had been relying only on his eyes, not his Ki sensing, to determine Vegetto's standing compared to his own. This would have been impossible in the case of Gogeta, as one cannot gauge someone else's standing just by imagining what they would look like merged together; it would have to have been power on Boo's mind. Chapter: 504 (DBZ 310), P13.1 Context: Boo surrounds himself in smoke, but Vegetto can still beat up on him anyway Vegetto: “The important thing is to grasp ki strength and movement. You track me with your eyes, so you can’t follow my movements.” Quote: -vegito being surprised at his power. neither goku or vegeta had ever attempted potara fusion but will magically know how strong they will be. people with their wild imaginations then assume that gogeta cant beat buu because goku doesnt know how strong they will be with a fusion that they have never tried before. seems legit. http://w11.zetaboards.com/Shinden_Reborn/single/?p=8112782&t=8401526 http://w11.zetaboards.com/Shinden_Reborn/single/?p=8112802&t=8401526 Quote: -it was stated that vegitos strength didnt come from the potara which implies that the fusion method has nothing to do with the power of the fusion. it is the people that fuse that determine how strong the fusion will be. the only thing that the fusion methods do is bring the people together. nothing more, nothing less. http://www.pojo.biz/board/showpost.php?p=23968915&postcount=83 Quote: -fanboyism. this is the root of what make people say vegito>gogeta despite it not being manga supported. I do not understand. I think Vegetto is overrated and bland, while Gogeta is in my top five favorite characters, yet I am arguing in Vegetto's favor. Can you explain how I am being a fanboy by this logic? Edited by Pyrus, Jan 23 2013, 05:12 PM.
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MAJIN_VEGITO	Jan 24 2013, 07:08 PM Post #305
Posts: 239 Group: Member Member #6,645 Joined: August 23, 2011	Kamikaze Pyro Jan 23 2013, 05:11 PM Quote: -people twisting gokus words. he says that the only way to beat buu is to combine bodies. he never says that metamoran fusion cant beat him. he doesnt say that the potara is the only way since if you fuse, you are fused, it makes no difference. I disagree, friend. It was the topic of the Potara that brought Son Goku to say what he did. Chapter: 503 (DBZ 309), P8.8 Context: Goku tries to get Vegeta to use the Potara with him, but Vegeta refuses Goku: “Knowing you, I thought you might say that…! There ain’t any other way to beat Majin Boo!” Quote: it was even stated that the potara had nothing to do with vegitos power. it was because goku and vegeta fused and they were 2 out of the 3 masters in the world. http://www.pojo.biz/board/showpost.php?p=23968915&postcount=83 Quote: -people have the kids absurdly close to goku and vegeta in power or even surpassing them which is unsupported by manga canon. they exaggerate the power gain that they got in the ROSAT. they claim that since goten and trunks must be stronger than their dads, gotenks is stronger than vegeta and vegito was stronger than buuhan therefore vegito>gogeta. Nobody is claiming Goten and Trunks post-RoSaT are stronger than their fathers. The gap would just not be a multifold gap like you are implying. Quote: -people use guidebooks that have countless mistakes in them and arent written by akira toriyama. That depends heavily on which guidebook you're referring to, and which entry. "Countless" would be a harsh exaggeration as well, sir. Quote: -people say that goku and vegetas rivalry makes vegito stronger and that is beyond nonsense. its more like the driving force which make goku and vegeta constantly want to be better than eachother and vegito is so strong because of them wanting to constantly getting stronger. This I do agree with. Quote: -people twist elder kais words. he never said that they were stronger. he said that they were more effective. nothing more, nothing less. people need to drop this trash argument. But, sir, if time is specifically mentioned as its own pro, what other could "effect" mean? Quote: -akira made vegito because he didnt want to reuse gogeta. if gogeta wasnt made prior, the metamoran fusion of goku and vegeta would beaten buu in the same fashion vegito did and wouldve probably split inside buus body due to the time limit and not due to buus magic forcing the fusion apart. That would be conjecture, good sir. Unless this came from Akira Toriyama's own mouth, or Boo and Gogeta had fought, you would not be able to sufficiently support this point. Quote: -people say that buu saying that even if goku and vegeta fused they couldnt stop him proves vegito>gogeta. he still thought that he could beat ssj vegito after he showed clear superiority to him. using this as an argument is nonsene. Sir, remember! It was specifically pointed out that at that time, Boo had been relying only on his eyes, not his Ki sensing, to determine Vegetto's standing compared to his own. This would have been impossible in the case of Gogeta, as one cannot gauge someone else's standing just by imagining what they would look like merged together; it would have to have been power on Boo's mind. Chapter: 504 (DBZ 310), P13.1 Context: Boo surrounds himself in smoke, but Vegetto can still beat up on him anyway Vegetto: “The important thing is to grasp ki strength and movement. You track me with your eyes, so you can’t follow my movements.” Quote: -vegito being surprised at his power. neither goku or vegeta had ever attempted potara fusion but will magically know how strong they will be. people with their wild imaginations then assume that gogeta cant beat buu because goku doesnt know how strong they will be with a fusion that they have never tried before. seems legit. http://w11.zetaboards.com/Shinden_Reborn/single/?p=8112782&t=8401526 http://w11.zetaboards.com/Shinden_Reborn/single/?p=8112802&t=8401526 Quote: -it was stated that vegitos strength didnt come from the potara which implies that the fusion method has nothing to do with the power of the fusion. it is the people that fuse that determine how strong the fusion will be. the only thing that the fusion methods do is bring the people together. nothing more, nothing less. http://www.pojo.biz/board/showpost.php?p=23968915&postcount=83 Quote: -fanboyism. this is the root of what make people say vegito>gogeta despite it not being manga supported. I do not understand. I think Vegetto is overrated and bland, while Gogeta is in my top five favorite characters, yet I am arguing in Vegetto's favor. Can you explain how I am being a fanboy by this logic? he tries handing vegeta the earring because thats the way he is trying to fuse. its more like a goku and vegeta fusion is needed to beat buu not a potara fusion specifically. elder kai says that it is because goku and vegeta fused that vegito is so strong. goku/vegeta fusion is just naturally haxx. what is your point? goku and vegeta are indeed leagues stronger than goten and trunks even on equal levels. buu took the appearance of piccolo after gotenks diffused instead of goten and trunks. as we all know buu takes on the characteristics of the absorbed person that has the most power. therefore, piccolo>kids. premajin vegeta called piccolo weak. pre majin vegeta called gohan who is stronger than piccolo, trash. when you call someone trash and weak, you are usually multifolds stronger. post majin vegeta is much stronger than premajin vegeta so the gap increases even further. the kids arent in their fathers league. vegito even taunted buu for using gotenks move since it was childs play. the potara doesnt have the drawbacks of: 1.the possibility of performing the dance incorrectly resulting in a weaker form 2. the dance is restricted to beings of comparable size gogeta already thrashed someone on the level of buu and his absorbed forms but people nerf the hell out of janemba just to keep vegito>gogeta as a possibility. the super janemba that fought goku is already super buu level. janemba powers up even more when he senses gogetas power. gogeta then tanks his full power punch with absolutely no damage(he doesnt even get budged by the punch). that implies there is a multifold gap and that is casually above any form of buu. how would buu know how powerful gogeta would be? could also be interpreted as vegito having overestimated buu and him not living up to his expectations. as i said before, it is because goku and vegeta fused, that the result is so strong. what is your point? nah fanboyism is basically what drives people to say vegito>gogeta 90% of the time. the other 10% is people bandwagoning and assuming that the general consensus is right without having a mind of their own. basically they are drones.



+ Clearin	Jan 24 2013, 07:14 PM Post #306
Posts: 12,580 Group: Elite Member Member #6,372 Joined: June 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country United Kingdom	Quote: nah fanboyism is basically what drives people to say vegito>gogeta 90% of the time. the other 10% is people bandwagoning and assuming that the general consensus is right without having a mind of their own. basically they are drones. Some people just take the Daiz entry and Old Kaioshins statements to mean Potara is much more powerful than fusion dance. Why are these people not included in your statistics?



MAJIN_VEGITO	Jan 24 2013, 07:20 PM Post #307
Posts: 239 Group: Member Member #6,645 Joined: August 23, 2011	Quote: Some people just take the Daiz entry and Old Kaioshins statements to mean Potara is much more effective than fusion dance. Why are these people not included in your statistics? fixed



+ Clearin	Jan 24 2013, 07:23 PM Post #308
Posts: 12,580 Group: Elite Member Member #6,372 Joined: June 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country United Kingdom	MAJIN_VEGITO Jan 24 2013, 07:20 PM Quote: Some people just take the Daiz entry and Old Kaioshins statements to mean Potara is much more effective than fusion dance. Why are these people not included in your statistics? fixed And that's exactly what I was talking about. Some people take "effective" to mean "more powerful" and considering the entire point of the series is who has the most power, that would make the ear rings more effective. Also please don't one word post.



+ Kyouks	Jan 24 2013, 07:28 PM Post #309
Posts: 10,305 Group: Elite Member Member #8,102 Joined: August 11, 2012 Gender Other Country South Africa Favourite Anime Hentai What Browser do you use? The best one Favourite Manga They all suck	Goku thinks he will need a Super Saiyan boost to get the job done when speaking of the Potara, but Old Kaioshin corrects him and tells him base is enough, emphasizing the power once more. That literally points to the Potara being the superior method. Edited by Kyouks, Jan 24 2013, 07:29 PM.



EMIYA	Jan 24 2013, 07:34 PM Post #310
"I am the bone of my sword." Posts: 11,326 Group: Super Moderator Member #8,292 Joined: September 16, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country United States Favourite Anime Clannad, Shinsekai Yori What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Hellsing, Elfen Lied, Trigun Maximum	Quote: Chapter: 501 (DBZ 307), P6.2-6 Context: Elder Kaioshin gives the Potara to Goku Elder Kaioshin: “Here! Put this Potara on your left ear! [ ] Put the other one on Gohan’s ear. Just by doing that, you two will be able to merge together! Like with Fusion.” Goku: “Huh! Re-really!?” Elder Kaioshin: “Of course. And what’s more, the effect is greater than with Fusion! This has been the trump card treasure of the Kaioshins since long ago.” This line here should be all that's needed to say Potara>Fusion and thus Vegetto>Gogeta. Why the debate I can only guess but when you're basically said "Hey, the effect is better than Fusion!" which means Potara>Fusion. It's a clear meaning that's talking about power, it's always been about power in DBZ. The stronger the better and as the qutoe above indicates, the earrings are more powerful. And besides the difference in power that is suggested, the only difference is the time which isn't limited to the earrings. And it's stupid to think Elder Kaioshin was referring to something as simple as time when making the statement. If he wanted to talk about time, he'd have just said "And unlike fusion, there's no time limit for the potara!" But that did not happen. Edited by EMIYA, Jan 24 2013, 07:34 PM.



Alex D. Boss	Jan 24 2013, 07:44 PM Post #311
Posts: 8,688 Group: Probation Member #8,536 Joined: November 8, 2012 Gender Male Country Canada	Brofist hits him! Its Effective! EFFECT = Useful = strength = "Cui " = Power Simple.



~~taimanin~~	Jan 25 2013, 05:18 AM Post #312
Posts: 160 Group: Suspended Member #8,890 Joined: January 20, 2013	gogeta = vegito. by better elder kai was referring to appearance. vegito looks better, more cool looking and stuff...
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+ Pyrus	Jan 25 2013, 07:02 PM Post #313
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Quote: he tries handing vegeta the earring because thats the way he is trying to fuse. its more like a goku and vegeta fusion is needed to beat buu not a potara fusion specifically. Why would he not urge them to use the Fusion Dance? Quote: elder kai says that it is because goku and vegeta fused that vegito is so strong. goku/vegeta fusion is just naturally haxx. what is your point? "He's called one because all he has to do is look at himself to realize that you can't just combine any two fighters and get the same result." Quote: goku and vegeta are indeed leagues stronger than goten and trunks even on equal levels. buu took the appearance of piccolo after gotenks diffused instead of goten and trunks. as we all know buu takes on the characteristics of the absorbed person that has the most power. therefore, piccolo>kids. http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8633432&t=8398370 Quote: premajin vegeta called piccolo weak. pre majin vegeta called gohan who is stronger than piccolo, trash. when you call someone trash and weak, you are usually multifolds stronger. No, that does not have to be the case, my friend. Majin Vegeta was barely ahead of Kid Gohan, which was stated, and he said the gap between him and Goku before Babidi was the same as the gap between them at the Cell Games where, if you remember, Goku's full power blew Vegeta out of the water, yet Vegeta was safely ahead of half of Goku's power. That was not a multifold gap. Quote: post majin vegeta is much stronger than premajin vegeta so the gap increases even further. the kids arent in their fathers league. "Majin Vegeta was barely ahead of Kid Gohan, which was stated, and he said the gap between him and Goku before Babidi was the same as the gap between them at the Cell Games where, if you remember, Goku's full power blew Vegeta out of the water, yet Vegeta was safely ahead of half of Goku's power. That was not a multifold gap." Quote: vegito even taunted buu for using gotenks move since it was childs play. That has nothing to do with Gotenks's power. It was a wacky move created by kids, thus the child comment. Quote: the potara doesnt have the drawbacks of: 1.the possibility of performing the dance incorrectly resulting in a weaker form 2. the dance is restricted to beings of comparable size And the fusees have to be equal in power, and close in power to begin with, and it has a 30 minute time limit. The time limit was pointed out on its own. Quote: gogeta already thrashed someone on the level of buu and his absorbed forms but people nerf the hell out of janemba just to keep vegito>gogeta as a possibility. the super janemba that fought goku is already super buu level. janemba powers up even more when he senses gogetas power. gogeta then tanks his full power punch with absolutely no damage(he doesnt even get budged by the punch). that implies there is a multifold gap and that is casually above any form of buu. Janemba has nothing to do with this canon debate. Quote: how would buu know how powerful gogeta would be? He knew the power of the Fusion Dance and saw what it did to Goten and Trunks. He would be able to estimate what it would do to Goku and Vegeta. Quote: could also be interpreted as vegito having overestimated buu and him not living up to his expectations. Why would he overestimate Boo? It's not as if Boo was suppressed. Quote: nah fanboyism is basically what drives people to say vegito>gogeta 90% of the time. the other 10% is people bandwagoning and assuming that the general consensus is right without having a mind of their own. basically they are drones. I am a drone to you?
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+ Kyouks	Jan 25 2013, 07:03 PM Post #314
Posts: 10,305 Group: Elite Member Member #8,102 Joined: August 11, 2012 Gender Other Country South Africa Favourite Anime Hentai What Browser do you use? The best one Favourite Manga They all suck	taimanin Jan 25 2013, 05:18 AM gogeta = vegito. by better elder kai was referring to appearance. vegito looks better, more cool looking and stuff... This gave me a chuckle.



~~taimanin~~	Jan 26 2013, 02:37 PM Post #315
Posts: 160 Group: Suspended Member #8,890 Joined: January 20, 2013	it's only the truth. you see elder kai always complained about joining bodies with a hideous witch and how he used to look handsome. he's very concerned with appearance.
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