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SSJ Gogeta V Super Vegito
Topic Started: Dec 2 2007, 12:26 AM (39,539 Views)
chris0022 Oct 2 2012, 04:10 PM Post #286
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 No no it was revived on September 24th ;) but it was never definitively answered anyway sooooooooo
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Master of Dragon Ball Oct 3 2012, 02:43 AM Post #287
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chris0022
Oct 2 2012, 04:10 PM
No no it was revived on September 24th ;) but it was never definitively answered anyway sooooooooo
I propose reading the last couple pages. The answer is clear. Vegetto is stronger. Manga, guidebooks, anime, and movies support this, my friend.
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GridZero Oct 3 2012, 02:48 AM Post #288
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NO...NOOOOOOO

HE HAS RETURNED!
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chris0022 Oct 4 2012, 05:20 PM Post #289
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 Actually they don't its all supposition and opinion nothing definitive. But argue as you will :)
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Paikuan extreme Oct 4 2012, 05:23 PM Post #290
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Apr 11 2012, 09:11 PM
I can't be arsed to go through 17 pages, so I'll just post what the guidebooks say on the subject.

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To use them, the two people who will merge simply have to each take one of the two earrings and put in on their left or right ear, respectively. Furthermore, after merging the power is greater than with Fusion. However, the two people will automatically merge as soon as the earrings are put on, and in principle will be unable to ever split up again, so caution is needed when handling them. The merged person will only split up when touched by the air inside Majin Buu's body. Also, while with Fusion the post-merged clothing is the native dress of the people of Planet Metamor, when merging with the Potara not only are the two people's bodies mixed together, but their clothing is as well. In addition, pathetically enough the East Kaioshin and his attendant Kibito merged together without knowing a thing about Potara fusion.

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The much-valued treasure of the Kaioshin. If two people take one each and fit it on their respective ears, one on the left and one on the right, in an instant they will unite together and power up. The principle is the same as the Fusion technique, but the effect is greater than Fusion. Furthermore, since this union cannot be cancelled, it doesn't have the weakness of running out of time and the two returning to normal. This union is only removed inside the body of Majin Buu.

Couple that with Elder Kaioshin's statement that Potara is greater than Fusion, and you have your indisputable answer: Vegetto > Gogeta.
This right here. i dont need the daiz to even tell em that, the comic already did.

How is this 3 pages longer after THIS statement was made? I didnt even go through this topic, but i figured i should point this out.
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chris0022 Oct 4 2012, 05:30 PM Post #291
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 "Effect is greater" and guidebooks aren't canon. That's my argument. I feel vegito would be stronger but you can't really prove it unless toriyama says it himself.
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+ Pyrus Oct 4 2012, 05:59 PM Post #292
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chris0022
Oct 4 2012, 05:30 PM
"Effect is greater" and guidebooks aren't canon. That's my argument. I feel vegito would be stronger but you can't really prove it unless toriyama says it himself.
They don't contradict anything so they're a lot more reliable than your opinion in this case. And AT did say it himself, through Elder Kaioshin in the manga. :unsure:
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chris0022 Oct 4 2012, 06:08 PM Post #293
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 No he said the effect is greater.
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+ Pyrus Oct 4 2012, 06:11 PM Post #294
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Oct 4 2012, 06:08 PM
No he said the effect is greater.
Right. He also singled out the time limit as something separate. So what could be greater other than power? :@
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* Yu Narukami Oct 4 2012, 06:28 PM Post #295
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Izanagi!

 I think its clear who the superior fusion in the series is; Gokule.
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Paikuan extreme Oct 4 2012, 06:33 PM Post #296
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 i still think it would be gohkan honestly. cause then it really would be the TWO strongest power in the universe.

I always thought the rival boost would be because they were frenemies, but its not a prophecy..its a definition.

They are two of the strongest powers in the universe. direct quote. That creates the rival boost in the fusion. Those are the rules. Elder kai actually never talked down the metamorran process, he just stated thatsince potarran is permanent then the magic better cements something that cant come apart. maximizing all potential in every way.

I believe the potarra does this and provides more OVERALL power in that way. Its efficiency saves the time and relegates ALL power inherent into the base form stacking powers, just like fusion dance.

Gohkan was gonna be a potarra fusion though.....
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Super Gogito Oct 14 2012, 07:11 PM Post #297
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 Not even SSJ 3 Gogeta can lay a finger on SSJ Vegito!
Edited by Super Gogito, Nov 4 2012, 08:34 PM.
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Kira Yamato Nov 1 2012, 12:27 PM Post #298
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 u guys Vegito is stronger than Gogeta..here's facts. When goku wanted to go help gohan against buutenk's he wanted to do the fusion dance with gohan but the elder kai decided he should use the potara fusion! y!? bcuz he knew the dance fusion wouldnt b enoughf to defeat buutenk's. fact 2. The potara fusion is much stronger bcuz when doing the dance fusion the person has to b equal level..like when trunks was gona fuse with goten.. goku stated '' trunks lower your power level so you can b equal to goten the fusion wont work unless your equal strenths'' so that means the other half of the power trunks withdrew out hes energy could have been used..and when using the potara fusion you dont have to b equal in strenth bcuz all of your ki will b fused not just the amount you use to fuse
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+ Pointer Jan 21 2013, 02:24 PM Post #299
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 Vegito roflstomps Gogeta and here is why
lets say Goku s power :10 Vegeta power 8 Lets assume that this fusion works (A+B)*100 ,in that case Gogeta(base)=(8+8)*100=1600 Goku have to reduce his KI to 8 in order to make the fusion so base Gogeta 1600 SSJ Gogeta 1600*10=16000 SSJ2 Gogeta 16000*2=32000 SSJ3 Gogeta 32000*4=128000
Now lets see Vegito. We really dont know how potara fusion works , but we know that Base Vegito is slightly weaker than Buuhan ,No lets assume the power of Buuhan ,for doing this we have to start assume the power of gotenks .Lets say base goten power is about 4 base Trunks's about 5 Now Gotenks power is about (4+4)*100=800 which is equal to Goku's SSJ3 (10*10*2*4)=800.Now SSJ3 Gotenks 800*10*2*4=64000. Initial Super Boo is equal to SSJ 3 Gotenks so Bootenks is his absorbtion works like an addition 64000+64000=128000 now we all know that Buuhan is stronger than buutenks , the differences come from the gap between thw power of SSJ3 Gotenks and Mystic Gohan .Mystic Gohan is stronger than initial Super Buu thats fact But got stomped by Buutenks, so he must be between Super buu and Buutenks I would say Between their Power so Mystic Gohan is around (128000+64000)/2=101000 Now lets add it to Super Buu(Piccolo absorbed) power who is slightly stronger than initial super Buu , lets say 70000,so Buuhan Power =70000+101000=171000. Base Vegito is a bit weaker than Buuhan lets say 160000 .Super Vegito =160000*10=1600000
The power chain looks like this
Super Vegito >>>>>>Buuhan>Base Vegito>>Buutenks~SSJ3 Gogeta>Mystic Gohan >>>Initial Super Buu~Ssj3Gotenks>>SSJ2 Gogeta>SSJ Gogeta>Base Gogeta>>>Base Gotenks~Goku ssj3


But thats just my opinion(:

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MAJIN_VEGITO Jan 22 2013, 08:16 PM Post #300
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 the idea that gogeta is weaker than vegito comes from:

-people twisting gokus words. he says that the only way to beat buu is to combine bodies. he never says that metamoran fusion cant beat him. he doesnt say that the potara is the only way since if you fuse, you are fused, it makes no difference. it was even stated that the potara had nothing to do with vegitos power. it was because goku and vegeta fused and they were 2 out of the 3 masters in the world.

-people have the kids absurdly close to goku and vegeta in power or even surpassing them which is unsupported by manga canon. they exaggerate the power gain that they got in the ROSAT. they claim that since goten and trunks must be stronger than their dads, gotenks is stronger than vegeta and vegito was stronger than buuhan therefore vegito>gogeta.

-people use guidebooks that have countless mistakes in them and arent written by akira toriyama.

-people say that goku and vegetas rivalry makes vegito stronger and that is beyond nonsense. its more like the driving force which make goku and vegeta constantly want to be better than eachother and vegito is so strong because of them wanting to constantly getting stronger.

-people twist elder kais words. he never said that they were stronger. he said that they were more effective. nothing more, nothing less. people need to drop this trash argument.

-akira made vegito because he didnt want to reuse gogeta. if gogeta wasnt made prior, the metamoran fusion of goku and vegeta would beaten buu in the same fashion vegito did and wouldve probably split inside buus body due to the time limit and not due to buus magic forcing the fusion apart.

-people say that buu saying that even if goku and vegeta fused they couldnt stop him proves vegito>gogeta. he still thought that he could beat ssj vegito after he showed clear superiority to him. using this as an argument is nonsene.

-vegito being surprised at his power. neither goku or vegeta had ever attempted potara fusion but will magically know how strong they will be. people with their wild imaginations then assume that gogeta cant beat buu because goku doesnt know how strong they will be with a fusion that they have never tried before. seems legit.

-it was stated that vegitos strength didnt come from the potara which implies that the fusion method has nothing to do with the power of the fusion. it is the people that fuse that determine how strong the fusion will be. the only thing that the fusion methods do is bring the people together. nothing more, nothing less.

-fanboyism. this is the root of what make people say vegito>gogeta despite it not being manga supported.
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