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SSJ Gogeta V Super Vegito
Topic Started: Dec 2 2007, 12:26 AM (39,541 Views)
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Apr 11 2012, 09:11 PM
I can't be arsed to go through 17 pages, so I'll just post what the guidebooks say on the subject.

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To use them, the two people who will merge simply have to each take one of the two earrings and put in on their left or right ear, respectively. Furthermore, after merging the power is greater than with Fusion. However, the two people will automatically merge as soon as the earrings are put on, and in principle will be unable to ever split up again, so caution is needed when handling them. The merged person will only split up when touched by the air inside Majin Buu's body. Also, while with Fusion the post-merged clothing is the native dress of the people of Planet Metamor, when merging with the Potara not only are the two people's bodies mixed together, but their clothing is as well. In addition, pathetically enough the East Kaioshin and his attendant Kibito merged together without knowing a thing about Potara fusion.

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The much-valued treasure of the Kaioshin. If two people take one each and fit it on their respective ears, one on the left and one on the right, in an instant they will unite together and power up. The principle is the same as the Fusion technique, but the effect is greater than Fusion. Furthermore, since this union cannot be cancelled, it doesn't have the weakness of running out of time and the two returning to normal. This union is only removed inside the body of Majin Buu.

Couple that with Elder Kaioshin's statement that Potara is greater than Fusion, and you have your indisputable answer: Vegetto > Gogeta.
Good find. I find it odd how Master of DB disliked this even though he treats the guidebooks like they're religious scriptures <_<

And by the way, SSjin 3 Gogeta would be a bit stronger than SSjin 3 Gotenks, and SSjin Vegetto is multifolds above SSjin 3 Gotenks, so SSjin Vegetto >>>>> SSjin Gogeta
Edited by Nimbo-Bimbo lord of all noobs, Apr 16 2012, 02:31 AM.
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I'll offer my two cents here. Please forgive me if I post something that was said before, I'm lazy and I don't want to read all 18 pages.



Let's place this:

Goku (Buu): 13

Vegeta (Buu): 11


And

Goku (Fusion reborn): 16

Vegeta (Fusion reborn): 15

I place Goku and Vegeta close in that movie (In equal forms, at least.)



Assuming the fusion dance and the earning multiply them together.

Vegito (Buu): 13 X 11= 143+ 30 (Rival boost)= 173

Gogeta (Fusion reborn): 16X 15= 240


I do not believe the fusion dance adds them together, for the following reasons.
If it was adding, that would mean Ssj1 Gogeta is weaker then Ssj3 Goku (Going by multipliers.)
Base Gotenks would be weaker then ssj Goten/Goten and that's incorrect.
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My numbes , i try to make somehow to Gogeta SSJ3 ~ Super vegetto but it's imposibble. I don't put SSJ2 Gotenks and SSJ2 Gogeta.
Jenemba 650.000.000.000
Janemba Full Power 950.000.000.000
Base Gogeta 94.000.000.000
Gogeta SSJ 4.700.000.000.000
Gogeta Hypotentical SSJ3 18.800.000.000.000
Gotenks ( Post RoSaT ) 15.000.000.000
Gotenks SSJ ( Post RoSaT ) 750.000.000.000
Gotenks SSJ3 3.000.000.000.000
Ultimate Gohan 3.500.000.000.000
Buutenks 4.450.000.000.000
Buucolo 3.090.000.000.000
Buuhan 4.850.000.000.000
Base Vegetto 5.000.000.000.000 ( Anime )
Base Vegetto 2.300.000.000.000 ( Manga )
Super Vegetto 115.000.000.000.000
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I use Old kai words where he says that for Potara Goku and Gohan maybe wont even nead SSJ because power of Potara would give them powers.

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I'm gonna say Vegito since Old kai says the Potara earring fusion is stronger
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We never saw the limits of Gogeta or Vegito and it would be ridiculous to say gogeta would be around buutenks because we never him in am actual fight so we really have no evidence. For all we know Gogeta could also dominate Buuhan
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Dec 2 2007, 01:25 AM
Alas, this has been debated before.

I believe Vegito.

Why?

Because, Gogeta was only seen in SSj1 status (you may go, he went SSj4 in GT! Well, GT isn't canon.). If you are pairing SSj1 vs SSj1 then Vegito. SSj4 (non-canon) vs SSj1 = Dead Vegito.

Old Kai did state that the Potara fusion is superior to the Metamaro fusion dance, it was, also, however, permanent. If you took out the 30 minute thing with the dance and pitted them together, it'd be a little odd. Normal Vegito never fought Super Boo with Goten/Trunks/Ultimate Gohan/Piccolo absorbed, he immediately transformed to SSj1 (in the Manga). SSj1 Vegito was just overkill. Gogeta could easily handle Janemba. Janemba was a bit stronger than a SSj3. Ultimate Gohan, who was absorbed, was substantially more powerful than a SSj3.

To deduce this more, SSj3 Gotenks and SSj3 Goku must be paired together in a fight. Gotenks is much stronger than Goku, as Goku stated himself. Goku said, however, that, "he is no match for Buu".

If SSj3 Goku was "no match for Buu" and Janemba was only a bit stronger than SSj3 Goku, but was easily killed by SSj Gogeta since he was weaker by a huge margin, we have to calculate this even further. The gap between SSj3 and SSj4 is huge, very very huge, you may not think it is though, so we have a lot of ground work to go here. I'm pretty sure if Gogeta was in his normal form and fought Janemba the result would be the same, albeit he'd be a ****-load weaker. It would be sort of like Super Vegito vs Super Buu w/ Ultimate Gohan, Goten, Trunks and Piccolo absorbed. If Janemba was only a bit stronger than a SSj3, then the result of him fighting Buu in the state he was previously mentioned in would result in imminent death.

If you were to plan out a table, it would go like this (as of now)

Gogeta (Normal Form) > Gotenks SSj3 >>> Janemba (Final Form) > Goku SSj3 >= (roughly) SSj Gotenks > Janemba (1st Form) > SSj2 Goku >= SSj2 Vegeta > SSj Goku >= SSj Vegeta

Why wasn't Vegito or SSj1 Gogeta put on there? Simply put, we aren't done yet.

Let's do another fight to break this down, shall we? Ultimate Gohan vs Final Form Janemba. As previously said, Ultimate Gohan is substantially stronger than SSj3 Goku/Gotenks. Ultimate Gohan was MUCH weaker than Buu w/ SSj3 Gotenks and Piccolo (Goten and Trunks were not broken apart at the time of Gohan fighting him), he didn't touch Buu once, and Buu was surprised when Gohan merely got out of one of his attacks. Super Buu himself was weaker than a SSj3 Gotenks (by a bit), but, with SSj3 Gotenks and Piccolo added in he had brains and a lot of power, he was overwhelmingly more powerful than Ultimate Gohan like SSj Gogeta was to Janemba.

Anyways, we'll get back to Ultimate Gohan vs Janemba. As previously said, Ultimate Gohan was substantially more powerful than any SSj3, a SSj3 was almost on par with Final Form Janemba. So, obviously, this would place Ultimate Gohan to be substantially more powerful than Final Form Janemba. The gap between Ultimate Gohan and Janemba would be quite large, large enough for Ultimate Gohan to finish him off in a minute or two and sustain very little to no damage, sort of like USSj Vegeta vs Semi-Perfect Cell, but not quite as wide as SSj Gogeta vs Janemba.

Janemba would be easily finished by both Ultimate Gohan and SSj Gogeta, so you know who I'm pairing next. This would be quite the match, but, SSj Gogeta would win. Why? An SSj3 is no match for Ultimate Buu (as we'll call him from now on to avoid naming all the people he's absorbed). Janemba is a bit stronger than an SSj3, but not overwhelmingly so, so he'd be no match as well, and Ultimate Gohan was substantially more powerful than a SSj3, but was significantly weaker than Semi-Ultimate Buu (with SSj3 Gotenks/Piccolo), since Janemba is no match for Semi-Ultimate Buu, and neither is an SSj3, and Ultimate Gohan was significantly weaker than Semi-Ultimate Buu, then...

Gogeta in SSj1 was so much more powerful than Janemba Final Form that a direct hit to the face did absolutely nothing, his speed and power was overwhelming to Janemba. Since Janemba is nothing compared to Semi-Ultimate Buu, and Ultimate Gohan was significantly weaker, and as my previous observations stated it would still take Ultimate Gohan a minute or two to finish Janemba off and it only took Gogeta a few moments, then points lead to Gogeta in SSj1 to be a bit stronger than Ultimate Gohan, since Ultimate Gohan was significantly weaker then Semi-Ultimate Buu, then SSj1 Gogeta would fit snuggly at a radius of on par to a bit stronger than Semi-Ultimate Buu.

Since we've dug down this all and calculated SSj1 Gogeta's power to be roughly that of Semi-Ultimate Buu, then we must calculate SSj1 Vegito's. Super Vegito was *A LOT* more powerful than Ultimate Buu , who is a step above Semi-Ultimate Buu or SSj1 Gogeta's equivalent, then... well, isn't it obvious? Ultimate Buu was getting his ***** kicked, SSj1 Vegito was just overkill, SSj1 Vegito's gap in power was as huge if not huger as SSj Gogeta vs Janemba Final Form's power. Since this is true, the table is complete.

SSj1 Vegito >>>>> Normal Vegito >? (? Because he never fought Ultimate Buu) Ultimate Buu >>>>> SSj Gogeta >= Semi-Ultimate Buu > Ultimate Gohan > SSj3 Gotenks >>> Janemba (Final Form) > SSj3 Goku > Janemba (First Form) > SSj2 Goku >= SSj2 Vegeta.

SSj Vegito vs SSj Gogeta would be overkill, SSj Vegito would have this easily.

Super Vegito fended off Ultimate Boo with only his legs and not even at full power and STILL was injuring him, he even kicked the crap out of him as CANDY. If SSj Gogeta is equivalent to (roughly) Semi-Ultimate Boo, and SSj Vegito is MONSTROUSLY more powerful than ULTIMATE Boo who is a step ahead of Semi-Ultimate Boo. The process here is simply like complicated Mathematics broken down into a simple equation, we had to convert SSj1 Gogeta's power to match Buu's power, and now that it has been done, I think the winner here is obvious.

Vegito FTW.

Comments? :)

P.S. The Potara fusion was never actually claimed to be stronger than the Metamaro fusion dance but it does have its advantages, I.E. no limited timespan of fusion. Tyro gave me this quote from the Manga to prove it through MSN (that I have confirmed myself, it is in DBZ Volume 26 page 29):

Kaio-shin: "He's incredible!!! Boo is helpless!!! I didn't know the Potara was so powerful!!!"

Rao Kaio-shin: "Dolt. *Those* two have the power. Two of the greatest masters in the worlds of the living *and* the dead. And it doesn't hurt that they live to outdo each other."

P.P.S. It'd be like USSj Vegeta vs Semi-Perfect Cell or Android 18 vs. Super Vegeta. Sure, Super Vegeta got a few hits in on Android 18 but he was quite easily beaten, and USSj Vegeta barely got blood on his mouth from a direct hit from Cell.

Edited on 1/06/2008 to correct some things :D.

P.P.P.S. My memory is bad but Tyro helped me with its accuracy so I corrected many, many things, but the outcome was still the same. It's still not perfect, but, it gets my point across. :)




That was a nice explanation, only one problem..."ultimate buu" as you called him (with trunks, goten, piccolo, and Ultimate Gohan) was indeed stronger than "semi-ultimate buu" but not by much, because Gotenks was still fused and existed in Semi-Ultimate Buu. Once he absorbed Ultimate Gohan, he was actually much weaker at that time, because Gotenks defused. Episode 267-Ready to Fuse? to be exact. So, then he proceeds to absorb Gohan and turns into Ultimate Buu. Which like i said was stronger than Semi_Ultimate Buu WITH Gotenks inside him, but not by much.

I have no idea if Vegito really is stronger than Gogeta or not, I love both characters haha. But, if i had to guess, the temporary fusion dance would be more powerful, for that short period of time. While the Potara fusion would give them great power without the sense of time being an issue. Ultimately it would be a great fight though.

By the way can you explain exactly why Vegito defused inside Super Buu? I never understood that and never got an explanation.

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goku might be somewhat stronger in fusion reborn than in anime because vegeta says he's continued to get stronger after buu. but vegeta is exactly the same.

so the people fusing to make gogeta have a small boost in power from goku, but vegito's fusion is stronger.

id say vegito takes this especially since he has no time limit. But he'd probably beat gogeta before this even happened.

and I would put gogeta far beyond gotenks. incomparably so.

id put the kids around android 18 level. id put goku ssj at nearly fpcell lvl
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What I don't understand, is that we are guessing the strength of Gogeta, which is based on nothing more than a 1 minute clip in a movie and against a weak villain.

It's hard to decide, merely based on this. Ultimate gohan could have down the same, does that mean that Gogeta is only the same as Ultimate Gohan?

Though is it not possible for gogeta to power up after fusion. Goku may have to lower his PL, but technically the full power is still there (it's like a fraction 9/10. It may be only nine but overall he still has a total of ten), which once fused can be unleashed again.

However, based on the no disadvantage of the Potara fusion, the fight would drag out until the 30 minute time limit is up. If it were based on strength they are near enough equal imo, however, if it were based on the fusion type it would be Potara.
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Potara: Perfect fusion.
Fusion Dance: A cheap knock-off.

Like I've said before, Vegito wins because of the better fusion.

Case closed.

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What a silly thread yo. Vegito puts the smack down on Gogeta in any form.
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Jul 10 2012, 02:26 PM
Potara: Perfect fusion.
Fusion Dance: A cheap knock-off.

Like I've said before, Vegito wins because of the better fusion.

Case closed.

Exactly. Potara is THE perfect fusion.


  • Magic-based
  • Simple to execute- just put on Potara Earrings
  • Can be done with any two people, regardless of power or physiology
  • Is eternal
  • Verified to give a HUGE boost in power if two rivals fuse


As opposed to Fusion Dance


  • Ki-based
  • Difficult to execute. You have to master a series of inticrate poses, even down to the movement of one finger, or else the fusion fails and makes you weak
  • Must be done with two fighters with a similar height and body. They must have the same power level. Otherwise, the stronger fighter must lower their power to match the other's exactly
  • Lasts 30 minutes, or even less if you use transformations
  • Unverified in giving a "rival boost"


Potara is so much better than Fusion Dance, I find it difficult to believe Fusion Dance could give a rival boost. IMHO, that comes from the Kai magic of the Potara Earrings. Assuming Fusion Dance can't give this 'rival boost', SSjin 3 Gogeta would only be a bit stronger than SSjin 3 Gotenks

Fat Boo < Fat Janemba << SSjin 3 Goku <~ Initial Super Janemba < SSjin Gotenks Pre-RST <<< Initial Evil Boo <<< Base Gotenks Post-RST << Super Janemba <<< SSjin Gotenks Post-RST <~ SSjin Gogeta <<<< Evil Boo < SSjin 3 Gotenks <~ SSjin 3 Gogeta < Ultimate Gohan << Gotenks-Boo < Gohan-Boo <<< SSjin Vegetto

It might seem like I'm underrating Gogeta, but rival boost is from the magic of Potara Earrings. Fusion Dance was a technique created for self-defense that was inferior to Potara Fusion in every aspect, so I doubt it would also give a rival boost.
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According to me Vegito is best...

Any ways Guys check this out :

Dragon Ball Z Budokai 3 Vegito Vs. Gogeta


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SSjin Gotenks Post Rosat << SSjin Gogeta <<<<< SSjin 2 Gotenks Post Rosat << SSjin 2 Gogeta <<<<<<<<<< SSjin 3 Gotenks << SSjin 3 Gogeta <<<<<<<< Mystic Gohan <<<<<< Bootenks <<<<<<<<<<<<< Boohan <<<<<<<<<<<< Super Vegetto .
Vegetto one shots Gogeta .
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I'd say Vegito is better, because the Potara fusion seems more "sophisticated" than the silly dance.
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