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Dec 10 2010, 05:05 PM

"i just dont see the fusion dance varying much from pair to pair. it is a straight 5.5x the combined power of 2 equal fighters, imo."
When you're bringing in numbers please do back them up, cause anyone can just put random numbers and try to make a statement.

"there is really nothing stating that the rules for the potara are the same as for the fusion, since beyond the basic 2 people become 1, they are very different."
There's nothing saying the rules are any different either (power wise), and here you are making it a fact that they are? Care to name a few different rules?

"yes, the potara is more powerful when used by a pair like goku and vegeta, but i just dont see why that would carry over from the magic potara to the fusion technique."
If you're talking about the rival boost, you should know that it has nothing to do with the pottara, it all about Goku and Vegeta (and they're present in both equations)

"the rules are different for magic, as seen by gohan getting so strong in under a day of training with the z sword. weight training doesnt do things like that, that quickly."
What does Gohan's sword training have to do with magic?? Heavy sword is just that, a heavy sword. The only magic about that sword is that there's a Kai inside of it, I really don't see how that changes things for Gohan though, unless you're sugesting the Kai was boosting Gohan's powers from the inside?

NeciFiX

Dec 2 2007, 01:25 AM

Alas, this has been debated before.

I believe Vegito.

Why?

Because, Gogeta was only seen in SSj1 status (you may go, he went SSj4 in GT! Well, GT isn't canon.). If you are pairing SSj1 vs SSj1 then Vegito. SSj4 (non-canon) vs SSj1 = Dead Vegito.

Old Kai did state that the Potara fusion is superior to the Metamaro fusion dance, it was, also, however, permanent. If you took out the 30 minute thing with the dance and pitted them together, it'd be a little odd. Normal Vegito never fought Super Boo with Goten/Trunks/Ultimate Gohan/Piccolo absorbed, he immediately transformed to SSj1 (in the Manga). SSj1 Vegito was just overkill. Gogeta could easily handle Janemba. Janemba was a bit stronger than a SSj3. Ultimate Gohan, who was absorbed, was substantially more powerful than a SSj3.

To deduce this more, SSj3 Gotenks and SSj3 Goku must be paired together in a fight. Gotenks is much stronger than Goku, as Goku stated himself. Goku said, however, that, "he is no match for Buu".

If SSj3 Goku was "no match for Buu" and Janemba was only a bit stronger than SSj3 Goku, but was easily killed by SSj Gogeta since he was weaker by a huge margin, we have to calculate this even further. The gap between SSj3 and SSj4 is huge, very very huge, you may not think it is though, so we have a lot of ground work to go here. I'm pretty sure if Gogeta was in his normal form and fought Janemba the result would be the same, albeit he'd be a ****-load weaker. It would be sort of like Super Vegito vs Super Buu w/ Ultimate Gohan, Goten, Trunks and Piccolo absorbed. If Janemba was only a bit stronger than a SSj3, then the result of him fighting Buu in the state he was previously mentioned in would result in imminent death.

If you were to plan out a table, it would go like this (as of now)

Gogeta (Normal Form) > Gotenks SSj3 >>> Janemba (Final Form) > Goku SSj3 >= (roughly) SSj Gotenks > Janemba (1st Form) > SSj2 Goku >= SSj2 Vegeta > SSj Goku >= SSj Vegeta

Why wasn't Vegito or SSj1 Gogeta put on there? Simply put, we aren't done yet.

Let's do another fight to break this down, shall we? Ultimate Gohan vs Final Form Janemba. As previously said, Ultimate Gohan is substantially stronger than SSj3 Goku/Gotenks. Ultimate Gohan was MUCH weaker than Buu w/ SSj3 Gotenks and Piccolo (Goten and Trunks were not broken apart at the time of Gohan fighting him), he didn't touch Buu once, and Buu was surprised when Gohan merely got out of one of his attacks. Super Buu himself was weaker than a SSj3 Gotenks (by a bit), but, with SSj3 Gotenks and Piccolo added in he had brains and a lot of power, he was overwhelmingly more powerful than Ultimate Gohan like SSj Gogeta was to Janemba.

Anyways, we'll get back to Ultimate Gohan vs Janemba. As previously said, Ultimate Gohan was substantially more powerful than any SSj3, a SSj3 was almost on par with Final Form Janemba. So, obviously, this would place Ultimate Gohan to be substantially more powerful than Final Form Janemba. The gap between Ultimate Gohan and Janemba would be quite large, large enough for Ultimate Gohan to finish him off in a minute or two and sustain very little to no damage, sort of like USSj Vegeta vs Semi-Perfect Cell, but not quite as wide as SSj Gogeta vs Janemba.

Janemba would be easily finished by both Ultimate Gohan and SSj Gogeta, so you know who I'm pairing next. This would be quite the match, but, SSj Gogeta would win. Why? An SSj3 is no match for Ultimate Buu (as we'll call him from now on to avoid naming all the people he's absorbed). Janemba is a bit stronger than an SSj3, but not overwhelmingly so, so he'd be no match as well, and Ultimate Gohan was substantially more powerful than a SSj3, but was significantly weaker than Semi-Ultimate Buu (with SSj3 Gotenks/Piccolo), since Janemba is no match for Semi-Ultimate Buu, and neither is an SSj3, and Ultimate Gohan was significantly weaker than Semi-Ultimate Buu, then...

Gogeta in SSj1 was so much more powerful than Janemba Final Form that a direct hit to the face did absolutely nothing, his speed and power was overwhelming to Janemba. Since Janemba is nothing compared to Semi-Ultimate Buu, and Ultimate Gohan was significantly weaker, and as my previous observations stated it would still take Ultimate Gohan a minute or two to finish Janemba off and it only took Gogeta a few moments, then points lead to Gogeta in SSj1 to be a bit stronger than Ultimate Gohan, since Ultimate Gohan was significantly weaker then Semi-Ultimate Buu, then SSj1 Gogeta would fit snuggly at a radius of on par to a bit stronger than Semi-Ultimate Buu.

Since we've dug down this all and calculated SSj1 Gogeta's power to be roughly that of Semi-Ultimate Buu, then we must calculate SSj1 Vegito's. Super Vegito was *A LOT* more powerful than Ultimate Buu , who is a step above Semi-Ultimate Buu or SSj1 Gogeta's equivalent, then... well, isn't it obvious? Ultimate Buu was getting his ***** kicked, SSj1 Vegito was just overkill, SSj1 Vegito's gap in power was as huge if not huger as SSj Gogeta vs Janemba Final Form's power. Since this is true, the table is complete.

SSj1 Vegito >>>>> Normal Vegito >? (? Because he never fought Ultimate Buu) Ultimate Buu >>>>> SSj Gogeta >= Semi-Ultimate Buu > Ultimate Gohan > SSj3 Gotenks >>> Janemba (Final Form) > SSj3 Goku > Janemba (First Form) > SSj2 Goku >= SSj2 Vegeta.

SSj Vegito vs SSj Gogeta would be overkill, SSj Vegito would have this easily.

Super Vegito fended off Ultimate Boo with only his legs and not even at full power and STILL was injuring him, he even kicked the crap out of him as CANDY. If SSj Gogeta is equivalent to (roughly) Semi-Ultimate Boo, and SSj Vegito is MONSTROUSLY more powerful than ULTIMATE Boo who is a step ahead of Semi-Ultimate Boo. The process here is simply like complicated Mathematics broken down into a simple equation, we had to convert SSj1 Gogeta's power to match Buu's power, and now that it has been done, I think the winner here is obvious.

Vegito FTW.

Comments?

P.S. The Potara fusion was never actually claimed to be stronger than the Metamaro fusion dance but it does have its advantages, I.E. no limited timespan of fusion. Tyro gave me this quote from the Manga to prove it through MSN (that I have confirmed myself, it is in DBZ Volume 26 page 29):

Kaio-shin: "He's incredible!!! Boo is helpless!!! I didn't know the Potara was so powerful!!!"

Rao Kaio-shin: "Dolt. *Those* two have the power. Two of the greatest masters in the worlds of the living *and* the dead. And it doesn't hurt that they live to outdo each other."

P.P.S. It'd be like USSj Vegeta vs Semi-Perfect Cell or Android 18 vs. Super Vegeta. Sure, Super Vegeta got a few hits in on Android 18 but he was quite easily beaten, and USSj Vegeta barely got blood on his mouth from a direct hit from Cell.

Edited on 1/06/2008 to correct some things :D.

P.P.P.S. My memory is bad but Tyro helped me with its accuracy so I corrected many, many things, but the outcome was still the same. It's still not perfect, but, it gets my point across.

Umbrax

Dec 31 2010, 12:22 AM

First of all, they couldn't fight each other cause they are both the same people. But you could do that in games! I know gogeta would win cause im the dbz master