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| Legendary Broly vs Gohan ss2 (cell saga); both fast and powerful | |
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Jan 8 2008, 08:52 AM Post #16 |
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What's hilarious is that you claim I think Broly would win over Gohan just because I'm a "Broly fan boy", yet Gohan is my favorite character. Even a 2 year old could do the math and realize Gohan's my favorite character, just simply by looking at my SN. But I wouldn't give you enough credit for being smart enough to figure that much out. Either way, having a broken arm does not make him lose any energy at all. There has never been anything in DBZ that stated a fighter loses energy when he has one hurt arm. |
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| Balthazor | Jan 8 2008, 10:33 AM Post #17 |
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I'm damn serious
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If you break a arm won't you feel weak?have you ever thought about that?anyway SS2 kid gohan>>>>Broly first movie SS2 kid gohan>>Broly 2nd movie |
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Jan 8 2008, 07:12 PM Post #18 |
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That's feeling weak physically. The energy inside their bodies aren't effected by physical damage to the arm. If every bone in his body broke, maybe. But just one arm, it's not going to happen, because he still has the rest of his body to hold the energy. It's a toss up between Broly from the first movie and Teen Gohan SSJ2, and Broly from the second movie is stronger than Teen Gohan SSJ2. They wouldn't make Broly "legendary" if he couldn't even beat a SSJ2. |
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| UltimateGohan | Jan 8 2008, 09:04 PM Post #19 |
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ok gohan obviously wins and yes his power was cut in half, Gohan or goku said it himself in the saga when his arm breaks, and gettting hurt physically does weaken them, getting punched hard hurts very much and obiously they can deal with pain, but if you have ever faught som1 u will realize getting hit slows you down alot, and that ki blast that kid gohan weakend him down 50%, becuase if it didnt gohan would just blast cell away very easliy |
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| Broly The LSSJ | Jan 8 2008, 09:41 PM Post #20 |
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Exactly, and might I add he can beat ANY SSJ2 by the second movie. Gohan is weaker compared to Goku and Vegeta's version of the form so hes toast when Broly stops playing games |
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| Sam | Jan 8 2008, 09:57 PM Post #21 |
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That was a conservative guess. I could've said he was holding back less than 50% like most of the time, the facts are on my side. I could figure it out by presenting some facts but I don't feel up to it. Gohan was "holding back" as Goku said, and when he finally snapped and released full power on Ultra Perfect Cell it easily destroyed him, that says something. By the way Cell, you're becoming what you mocked, a biased fanboy. Gohanisthebest is clearly not that, you remind me of BrolyGodofDestruction, our worst flamer, that's a bad impression to get. I'm on the brink of warning you, going "LOLOLOLOL" at someones post is NOT the way to debate, I'd love to warn you, so keep it up. Broly is stronger than Ultra Perfect Cell (in movie 10, in 8 probably around regular Perfect Cell) overall, but, not by a whole ton, and Gohan I believe was a whole ton stronger, so... Which is why I say Gohan would win. |
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Jan 8 2008, 10:53 PM Post #22 |
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No, the only time they ever made a reference to his arm was when Gohan said "I may only have one arm, but that's all I need", and he was simply referring to using the Kamehamaha Wave (which is typically used with both arms). But there was never any sort of implications that he lost energy from it. I agree that he wasn't at full health, because he took a shot for Vegeta, but to say half his power is a huge stretch. SSJ2 Gohan might, just might be able to beat Broly from movie 8 (but at the same time, Broly just might be able to beat him), but not Broly from movie 10 for sure. Broly in that movie was beating up a SSJ2 and two SSJ's. It took a total of a SSJ2 and 3 SSJ's to beat Broly in the movie. So even if Gohan at SSJ2 at that time, was weaker than he was when fighting Cell, 3 SSJ's more than make up for that difference, thus proving Broly from movie 10 would beat Teen Gohan SSJ2. |
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Jan 8 2008, 10:58 PM Post #23 |
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How are facts on your side? You are making simple guesses, which IMHO aren't backed up by real logic. Goku said Gohan was holding back, and I'm not disagreeing with that. But to say 50% is a huge stretch IMHO. Even when he unleashed his full power, the only reason it "easily" destroyed him is because he was caught off guard when Vegeta and company distracted him. Especially Vegeta. These are just my opinions, there's no "real" way to prove any of this. But that's the fun of these forums, is speculation and discussion. Edit: My bad, I forgot about the double posting. It didn't occur to me until right after (literally) I sent this post. |
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| gripton | Jan 9 2008, 01:48 AM Post #24 |
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I agree with Gohanisthebest123 for the most part. While Gohan was holding back out of fear for blowing up the planet saying he was holding back a full half of his power seems like a bit much, not to mention a total guess. I think if he was holding back that much power he could have just powered up and beat Cell to death(yes I'm aware of Cell's regeneration but you get my point). Vegeta's role in this is also being greatly overlooked. He almost knocked Cell over and obviously distracted him giving Gohan the window to destroy Cell. Cell may have even been holding back some, not only was he laughing and talking the whole time, and seemingly powering up his blast at will, he was attacking othre fighters behind him. As far as Broly goes I think people are overlooking something, it's not only the shear number of super saiyans(and levels) but the ease with which he does it. As easy as he takes on the people in the various movies, and is unaffected by them, just think of what it would take to legitimately be able to beat him in a fight. In movie 8 he takes a full Kamehameha to the face while smiling and taking out all the others, Movie 10 is even more impressive. He just loses by a stupid fluke and writing cop-out in both movies. I don't think anyone really knows how strong he could get or what it would take to beat him. ON the same hand though if Cell and Gohan fully powered up they could be a lot stronger than we think I'm going to give the win to Broly though, as I think his well of power is greater than the other two. |
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| Sam | Jan 9 2008, 11:11 AM Post #25 |
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Uhh... what? I have REAL facts, I'll throw the book at you (Manga, I read the Manga, not the Anime, the Anime is not really cannon, Manga is, its hard to debate against the Manga) This is according to Gohan himself: (After Gohan gets his arm blasted when trying to save Vegeta) "...Just get it over with... I know it's pointless to resist... I just wish I'd been able to finish you first..." - Gohan "Heh heh heh... Well, this is a dull ending! Well, I won't complain! Oblivion to Everything!" - Ultra Perfect Cell "GOHAN!! Don't you dare give up!!" - Goku (from Afterlife) "D...Dad?! B-But... where are you?!" - Gohan "The Afterlife! The Lord of the Worlds (Kaio-sama) is helping me talk to you!!" - Goku "Now come on! Fire off a Kamehameha, just like Cell!! You can win!! I know it!!" - Goku "But... what good would it do now? I can only use one arm... I've lost half my chi. - Gohan Yeah, I think Gohan himself would be right about his own power. Gohan is at half power, judging from that statement, here is another panel from Piccolo after Gohan was about to shoot his Kamehameha: "It's no good... He can't win!! Gohan's chi is too weak!!" - Piccolo Piccolo is the smartest Z-Fighter and he claims Gohan is too weak to defeat Cell at only half power, at "full power" he wasn't fast enough to make it to Vegeta, that doesn't tell us much though but he was easily damaged by Cell, how could he suddenly destroy Cell if he didn't have a lot of power left in reserve? Here's another few panels: "HANG ON, GOHAN!!! HANG ON!!!! YOU HAVEN'T USED ALL YOUR POWER YET!!! LET IT RIP!!!" - Goku "I'm... doing my best!!! I... can't do anymore..." - Gohan "You're holding back!! Trying not to destroy the planet!!! Let go!!! The Dragonballs can fix it!!!" - Goku "GOODBYE!!!!" - Cell (gets hit in face with ki ball) Cell looks up at Vegeta, the only Z-Fighter that came to help (in the Anime all the fighters come, when in reality, they cannot come near since the force of the blast would blow them away, only Vegeta helped). "NOW!!!!" - Goku "WAAAAAAH!!!!!" - Gohan (eyes get huge as the Kamehameha thickens hugely and Cell is consumed by the blast and killed). That tells you how much power Gohan has left, honestly, even in movie 10, Broly is equal to any trained SSj2 but I think Gohan is an exception because he can get extremely powerful when he gets angry, it'd be a great fight but all in all I think Gohan would win. |
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Jan 9 2008, 07:58 PM Post #26 |
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Well I was talking about the Anime, I thought we all were, my bad. I assumed that on the versus we'd only be using TV references because I think people would rather see these fights on TV rather than in some stupid book. You're right that Gohan can get angry, but I don't think that would give him the edge, simply because his SSJ2 is when he already is angry. After that, we never really see him get more powerful when angry after already turning into a SSJ2, because that's his limit. And in movie 10, judging by the outfit Gohan was wearing (and the fact that Videl could fly without any problems, and that Gohan already knew about Trunks and Goten being SSJ's), he had already been training for the tournament. So while I obviously know he still wasn't as strong as he was in the Cell Games, he was a trained SSJ2, yet it took him and 3 SSJ's to beat Broly, and I'm 100% sure that the 3 SSJ's were enough to make up the difference between the power of Teen Gohan and Adult Gohan, so that's why I think Broly would win. |
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| Sam | Jan 9 2008, 08:05 PM Post #27 |
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Wow, that has to be the most arrogant, annoying statement ever said on this forum. Good job. The manga is where it all started, I won't start with you, you don't know art, I have a lot of things to say to you right now but the rules don't allow my comments ^_^. |
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| gripton | Jan 9 2008, 09:50 PM Post #28 |
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Well I agree that the manga counts and is the true source to look at when possible. Anime filler and the movies always seem to be a little off and slightly retarded so I'll agree with the official source. That's kind of cool though how Vegeta is the only one to help, in the anime he looks like an idiot for quite a while standing there as the other weak guys attack. I still don't know if I'm ready to concede that Gohan would win though. I think it's too close to give a conclusive answer. The fact that Broly's true power is really unknown and the fact that not powered up he did what he did with such ease is keeping him in the game for me. Also Gohanisthebest123's statement about the fact that Gohan must have been training helps the Broly argument even more(even though he's probably still a ways below his teen years). When people think of that Gohan it's usually coupled witht hte fact that he's a weak useless version of his younger self. At least we can assume he'd been training to some extent. I sitll think Broly has so much power to dip into that we can't be sure. As far as Gohan getting mad and more powerful, he probabyl could but I doubt he'd be able to power up a lot more since he's already SSJ2. Not to mention who knows what would happen if Broly was losing and got mad like that, all we have ever really seen him doing is laughing and attacking. |
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Jan 9 2008, 10:33 PM Post #29 |
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It's no more arrogant than your post is ignorant, because I never said the Manga doesn't count. I just said I thought we were talking specificially about the Anime. I have the entire Manga collection, so no one knows more than I do that it matters more than the Anime. I was just talking strickly about the Anime, since I thought that's what we were discussing. |
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| * Light | Jan 9 2008, 10:40 PM Post #30 |
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in the versus section both anime and manga extracts are you used, but the manga would be considered more important in a debate this is a hard debate, there are sufficiently good points for both sides, but Gohan would be my victor, for the simple reason he beat Cell at half chi, and i can't see Broly beating Ultra perfect Cell with half chi |
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