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Topic Started: Jul 31 2007, 11:42 PM (876 Views)
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In DBZ, Goku is assumed to be the greatest fighter in the universe, and fights off numerous villains. One interesting thing I thought about but never got around to mentioning here, was that he never actually beats any major villain in DBZ by himself. Here's what I mean:

Frieza - Goku beat Frieza into a pulp, and he would've died if it weren't for the fact that King Cold ressurected him and made him even stronger. However, when Frieza returns and threatens Earth, Trunks is the one that stops him and finally lays Frieza to rest.

Cell - The most obvious. Goku thought he would've beaten Cell by teleporting him away, but when Cell regenerated and teleported back to Earth, Gohan was the one that used his SS2 powers to beat him.

Garlic Jr. - Goku isn't even present in this entire saga, and Piccolo is the one that ultimately has to stand up to him.

Majin Buu - While Goku had numerous openings where he could've beaten Buu, he refused in hopes that somebody else would be able to step in and do the honors. That never happened, and ultimately Buu gets even too strong for Goku as Kid Buu. Goku uses the energy of the Earthlings to destroy Buu, his own energy used only as the match that lit the fuse for the Spirit Bomb.

So, do you think the creators of DBZ did this on purpose? Made it so, while Goku seemed invincible, he never actually defeated an enemy by himself? This may have been discussed before, but I wanted to bring it up myself.
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As what you said its all truth, but that does not mean Goku is any weaker than they say.

As for Freeza when he was on earth, he himself said he was about to telepor to earth and kill Frieza, but because he sensed Trunks he didn't. Proove that goku would have beaten Frieza was that he stopped Trunk's attacks with one finger.

With Cell he wanted Gohan to have the chance, sure he thought he would beat cell by teleporting him, but it didn't work because cell could regenarate.

As for Buu, He could have killed fat Buu, but wanted Goten and Trunks to have the glory. When he fought Kid Buu he put up a pretty good fight.

Goku as a matter of fact never killed anyone all by himself. He always wants to give another chance - Recoome and Burter he got them down but Vegeta was the one to kill them. But yeah what you say is true and was most likely done on purpose.

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As for Freeza when he was on earth, he himself said he was about to telepor to earth and kill Frieza, but because he sensed Trunks he didn't.  Proove that goku would have beaten Frieza was that he stopped Trunk's attacks with one finger.


Goku actually did kill Cyborg Freeza in the original timeline.

Goku stated Trunks wasn't going out when he was testing Goku with his sword.

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With Cell he wanted Gohan to have the chance, sure he thought he would beat cell by teleporting him, but it didn't work because cell could regenarate.


I'm not so sure he wanted Gohan to have the chance to win the battle, or if it was just plain and simple that Goku couldn't have won the battle. But I'd have to read up on that part. It's a little grey in that area.

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Goku as a matter of fact never killed anyone all by himself.  He always wants to give another chance  -  Recoome and Burter he got them down but Vegeta was the one to kill them.  But yeah what you say is true and was most likely done on purpose.


Goku killed people in Dragonball all by himself.

A Pterodactyl, possibly the giant bear warrior, possibly some RRA soldiers, he thought he killed Taopaipai, Agent Black, Sgt. Metallic, the "Jiggler", octopus, Tambourine, Piccolo Daimao...and I think that's all for Dragonball.

In Dragonball, Goku thought he killed Freeza, he did in the other timeline, Yakon...that's all, I believe.
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As for Freeza when he was on earth, he himself said he was about to telepor to earth and kill Frieza, but because he sensed Trunks he didn't.  Proove that goku would have beaten Frieza was that he stopped Trunk's attacks with one finger.


Goku actually did kill Cyborg Freeza in the original timeline.

Goku stated Trunks wasn't going out when he was testing Goku with his sword.

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With Cell he wanted Gohan to have the chance, sure he thought he would beat cell by teleporting him, but it didn't work because cell could regenarate.


I'm not so sure he wanted Gohan to have the chance to win the battle, or if it was just plain and simple that Goku couldn't have won the battle. But I'd have to read up on that part. It's a little grey in that area.

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Goku as a matter of fact never killed anyone all by himself.  He always wants to give another chance  -  Recoome and Burter he got them down but Vegeta was the one to kill them.  But yeah what you say is true and was most likely done on purpose.


Goku killed people in Dragonball all by himself.

A Pterodactyl, possibly the giant bear warrior, possibly some RRA soldiers, he thought he killed Taopaipai, Agent Black, Sgt. Metallic, the "Jiggler", octopus, Tambourine, Piccolo Daimao...and I think that's all for Dragonball.

In Dragonball, Goku thought he killed Freeza, he did in the other timeline, Yakon...that's all, I believe.

I was actually meaning towards DBZ I wasn't quite going back to DB

For the cell one you're right, I'll have a look back.


As for the Trunks thing, even though he wasn't going all out, he still was trying, and Goku stopped it with just one finger, so I'm only going to assume, that he was stronger than Trunks was at that part.

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Goku put some kind of "aura" around his finger beforehand. Whatever that did. Toughen it up? Yet another thing not really answered.
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Goku put some kind of "aura" around his finger beforehand. Whatever that did. Toughen it up? Yet another thing not really answered.

true, I guess Dragonball leaves a lot of unanswered things lol

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@ yankees: I'm not claiming Goku was weaker than he was made out to be, quite the contrary. I simply wanted to point out that he didn't defeat all those enemies when it's all said an done. He could've, but didn't.
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@ yankees: I'm not claiming Goku was weaker than he was made out to be, quite the contrary. I simply wanted to point out that he didn't defeat all those enemies when it's all said an done. He could've, but didn't.

Oh I know you weren't. Sorry it's just the way I sometimes talk makes it seem I'm saying stuff when Im not meaning that way, sorry if it seemed that way.

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No apologies necessary. ;)
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I think they did do that on purpose so people wouldn't look at Goku as like a god, more like a protective guy. And usually when you watch a movie or show you're supposed to learn a lesson at the end of all of it, and if Goku just fought all of them by himself what's the lesson there? So I think it was more to show the audience that teamwork solves things or whatever. I'm no good at saying stuff like that.
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Goku also killed Bebi. And Super 17. Along with the 5 shadow dragons in GT. (Omega and Nova don't count)


Did he not also kill some of the movie villans? Like Janemba. If fusing counts
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I was mainly talking about Z. Yes, I know he kills all the main enemies in GT, as well as most in the movies.
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If Goku had won most if not all the battles on his own, I think it would be little the characters even more. Z was a bit dissappointing in that respect. I mean Tien saying " I don't think I'd be a worthy opponent" in the Cell games was a huge downer for me. I mean I'm not a major Tien Fan, but just to see that, this is what he thought of himself was really dissappointing, considering just how skillful Tien is as a warrior, and what he use to be and his warrior mentality. If Goku ended up doing it all on his own, I would've been even more dissappointed.
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you should'nt worry about all those little details. its only a cartoon remember so it would even be possible for krillen to beat goku with his big toe if the writers wanted him to do so,lmao :p
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you should'nt worry about all those little details. its only a cartoon remember so it would even be possible for krillen to beat goku with his big toe if the writers wanted him to do so,lmao :p

We did relise that but were going by how the story was actually writton and not how they could have wrote it.
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