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| Captain Warheart | Apr 28 2007, 05:09 AM Post #31 |
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Wow, anyway, getting back to the topic of the character. I think Chiaotzu had the potential to be a very cool character if he was given the screen time. Since he followed Tien eveywhere, even on his training missions, you would think that he would be a pretty powerful fighter as well. He could have been extra help in the Cell Saga if Tien would have allowed him to come along. It's cool to be able to use a character like him in Tenkaichi 2 and take down the bigger badder guys like Majin Buu or the Ozaru's so just imagine how cool it'd be to see him kicking butt in the Anime to. lol |
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| Strawberry | Apr 28 2007, 04:53 PM Post #32 |
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Akira approved every scene that was filled into the original story. He also had his own idea on how he wanted the anime to be and he helped the producers in order to give them the direction he had in mind. And you can obviously think that Chiaotzu could never defeat Guldo, but the fact is that he did, and that was approved by Akira (every little scene was approved by him). So hell yes, Chiaotzu defeated Guldo in the anime, that's part of the story, and yes, it is canon! Making sense or not, that's what happened. And Corrupt[ed] I didn't mean to insult you, that's not something I want to waste my time doing. But if there's something you can't deny is the story, the anime's story, because that's what happened, liking it or not. |
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| * Tyro | Apr 28 2007, 08:27 PM Post #33 |
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Again, if that were true about him approving all these things that weren't in the manga, there would be no reason to have a shortened version of the things he already approved. The series was in manga format and the anime was based off of it, but with filler. I don't go into a comic book forum and claim the new Superman movie is canon, because it's based off of the original source: the comics. Akira Toriyama had ideas for certain characters in filler and ideas for movies, Pikkon for one, but that by no means that they automatically fit into the canon universe. Pikkon ends up never being shown even though Akira Toriyama thought of him. You can't claim something is canon just because it's there. The Pikkon example would fit into a lower realm of canon. In the author's notes/drawings considering we never see him at all. You might as well consider GT canon considering Akira Toriyama approved of its making, but by no means offered hardly anything more than what the SSj4 transformation should most likely look like. As seen here: http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j71/Tyro...h/thescan22.jpg |
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| Sam | Apr 29 2007, 06:45 AM Post #34 |
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Indeed. Akira Toriyama did NOT approve of every scene. He didn't. This is like saying that Chaozu went to Namek because in the DBZ Budokai Tenkaichi 2 game showed he was there. Tyro and I have read the entire DBZ Manga, you have no proof Akira Toriyama approved of every little anime scene, he did not. You base everything you have been saying off of the Anime, I'm willing to bet you haven't read more than a few pages of the Manga, if any. Calling the Anime "as correct" as the Manga is like calling chocolate a pile of dog crap because they look somewhat the same. My proof: However, due to the popularity of the series, the anime still continued with Dragon Ball GT. Toriyama was still involved in the project by supervising it as before, although in a limited way.[3] What you are saying, Pineapple, I'm willing to bet you are simply pulling out of your *****, and you will probably say 'no' to this, even though you probably did. It's silly to say the anime is the same as the manga, if you compared Tyro's extremely comprehensive Power line data on the Saiyan Saga through the Freeza Saga, you would see it is not only impossible, but downright stupid to consider Chaozu a worthy adversary to GURD (not "Guldo" or other names like "Krillin", again, filler names, Mr. Toriyama did not approve of these names, they were NOT his first names, his first names were Kuririn and Gurd, and Freeza is not spelled Frieza) and silly. |
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| DSXIII | Apr 29 2007, 07:44 AM Post #35 |
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I'm a dbz fan and all, but I think you all need to take time and realize that dbz in itself is impossible. So arguing comics vs anime for a storyline that's meant to be interpreted differently by different people is not only pointless, but downright stupid. |
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| Silver Raditz | Apr 29 2007, 03:33 PM Post #36 |
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Argueing anie vs. manga is a bit odd. I've read the manga (well...90% of them) and watched the show, heck I've even seen most of the movies. I know very well that most people have only ever seen the anime of a show, and for those people the show with all it's fillers is cannon it's the DBZ-verse, the Naruto-verse, or whatever. Heck, I know the cannon somewhat (No, I can't qoute of hand nor can I remember everything that's manga or anime it all got mixxed up a long time ago) and some of the filler I actautly like and some I don't and some I just forget about (like this Chatzu thing with Gludo/ Gurd I didn't even remember) but for the most part I accept the filler as part of the story because for the most part it just adds to it. I've never known an anime to take a scence out competely or even partly... oh yes names are chaged but that's no biggy. I mean I don't know how you pronounce "Kuririn" but I sure know "Krillin" Oh and nitpicking on names is a bit immature, I mean some people spell Vegeta "Vejeta" or "Bejeta" I always let that slide even though sometimes I have to think "Who's Bejeta?". |
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| Strawberry | Apr 29 2007, 05:53 PM Post #37 |
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I'm sorry to say but... wrong. I read the manga when you probably didn't even know how to read properly I have all 42 editions here. And you never heard me saying that the anime was as correct as the manga, not even the manga is 100% correct as you probably noticed, don't try to take words out of my mouth that I haven't said.And yes, it is known as a fact that Akira did get involved with all DBZ anime and approved every scene that was filled into the original story. If you don't believe me, e-mail the TOEI productions or anyone you want and all you're going to get is a "duh" in your face. And no, I don't think DBGT is canon, because all Akira did was approve its creation and eventually some designs here and there, he was not involved with the story itself like he was during the process of making the anime. And as I said, you can either think it makes sense or not, but the fact is... Chiaotzu defeated Guldo, that's part of the anime's story. You watch the anime and that IS what happens, that's all I've been saying and there's no way you can deny it, sorry little boy. And I know the original names, I do not need you to tell me what they sound like. |
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| * Tyro | Apr 30 2007, 01:18 AM Post #38 |
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The manga came before the anime. Therefore it is the original canon source. There can't be two things both considered canon if one shows something differently. Behold: http://www.daizex.com/guides/newbie/ |
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| Strawberry | Apr 30 2007, 01:08 PM Post #39 |
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Ok, so let's not consider it canon. It doesn't really matter, all I've been saying is that Chiaotzu defeated Guldo in the anime's story. And Akira did approve those scenes. Peace out and let's discuss the character from now on. |
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| Sam | Apr 30 2007, 01:10 PM Post #40 |
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Chaozu never defeated Gurd. It's filler, it's fake it's NONSENSE. You don't consider it in the logical way you consider it in the "Little Anime Filler Way", I don't see how you have all of the books and read them, reading the DBZ manga made me change how I pronounced the names and how I viewed the DBZ universe. But, frankly, we already established a solution, and you base everything off of filler. Also, I was born when you were 4. I doubt you were reading DBZ Manga at 5, 6 or 7 Pineapple. That's probably an insult on my age, just like the end of your post, your last posts you've insulted me, I haven't done anything back. Frankly, this isn't Chi Chi's AMV topic where I did something remotely offensive to merit some sort of backtalk, I did nothing here, and I will warn you if you do it again. We already settled the dispute on page 1 or the beginning of page 2, but you brought it back. Either you don't read or you like to cause problems. Maybe both. I don't know. But it's one of the two. Just because you have to have a snotty attitude doesn't give you the right to treat other people badly. You are obviously acting out of past anger since you and Chi Chi have exchanged problems with each other about me like a net of webs and seem to always be backing each other up and always be posting in the same topics. I haven't said one insulting thing here, I've doubted your judgment, but, thats not offensive, it's called DEBATE. I doubt you can't handle a DEBATE, and if you can't, then it's self explanatory, so you are obviously acting out of past feud, even though I am not. That's pretty immature. You also continue to focus on my age since you are aware I'm pretty sensitive about that (well, Blaze got his computer broken into and hacked, forum destroyed, and I also got mad at somebody else I forget who and caused a pretty big fight, and then there was Balrog who I fought with too) even though we only have a 4 year difference in age. But with your attitude the way it is now I'm not surprised, and another evidence piece here is you completely focus on MY posts and not Tyro's. You never pay attention to things that contradicts your opinion, which is usually in Tyro's post. I haven't seen you say anything to Tyro! And you've ignored key parts of my posts. Good job! How about we get back onto talking about Chaozu (I'll change the topic title, it's quite the spelling mistake, but his name is a bit complex?), like we were until you either felt the need to be very rude and get off topic once again or you felt like not reading or both. Edit: It turns out Captain Warheart felt the need to break this up at the very beginning of THIS page. My bad. |
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| Strawberry | Apr 30 2007, 01:32 PM Post #41 |
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I've only expressed my opinion. I don't really care about the names, I find the anime names much better actually, but that's not important here at all. And nah, peace, I never really wanted to insult you, that would be a totally waste of time and energy. Also, don't bring Chichi to this topic since she hasn't posted anything here and there's no reason for mentioning her name. I've been reading everything Tyro posted and I have already said that you have the right to think Chiaotzu could never defeat Guldo, and you can obviously think it is completely non sense. All I've been saying is that, liking it or not, Chiaotzu DID DEFEAT Guldo in the anime's story, that's something you just CAN'T deny since that's what happens on the episodes that I already mentioned. Tyro simply didn't try to deny that, he was just sharing his opinion on how it is contradictory and how the original story from the manga doesn't have that scene. And I knew that because I've got all the mangas, so I just confirmed that it is not implied in the manga, but that's what happens in the series, and Akira did approve all extra scenes. That's all. And if you think I was "very rude", don't ever want to get in a real argument or you'll probably end up crying like a baby. There was really no big deal here, and now HELL YES, let's talk about Chiaotzu if there's still something to say. |
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| Sam | Apr 30 2007, 01:38 PM Post #42 |
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"End up crying like a baby?" Uh, no, I've been in tons of "Real arguments" you don't know about my life. I really hate it when people imply that. I wasn't denying it didn't happen in the ANIME'S story because obviously they made it happen by animating it, but, I deny it make any sense or even be considered apart of die-hard facts if need be. Leave this topic open for any discussion that should take place, otherwise, PM me if you want to talk further. |
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| br00tal | Jun 28 2007, 05:34 AM Post #43 |
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For those of you who didn't know, and it appears to be most fans here, Chaotzu is a king of sorts and Tien is his body guard. It was said sometime in Dragonball, I don't remember when, but it's also in one of Toriyama's guides that was released to the public. Personally, I think Chaotzu has the potential to be a cool character but he is just too lame. He could atleast have some comic relief. |
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| * Tyro | Jun 28 2007, 05:40 AM Post #44 |
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That was in a Dragonball movie called Mystical Adventure. |
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I have all 42 editions here. And you never heard me saying that the anime was as correct as the manga, not even the manga is 100% correct as you probably noticed, don't try to take words out of my mouth that I haven't said.

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