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Chioutzu
Topic Started: Apr 14 2007, 01:37 AM (2,970 Views)
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Apr 13 2007, 07:37 PM
He's like my favorite character. I think he has a major crush on Tien and doesn't want to tell him. Lol, I know pretty disgusting. He is also very weak.

Lol I used to think that he was his son.... :w00t: .... He's not even half the size of tien.... Haha! :w00t:
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Apr 22 2007, 10:15 AM
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Apr 22 2007, 04:21 AM
Chaozu never fought the Ginyu Force. NEVER.

That's actually not true. He fought Guldo in Kaioh's planet. I guess that's what Warheart was talking about.

Corrupt[ed] was talking about battles on canon terms. Chaozu fighting Gurd on Kaio-sama's was purely non-canon. It's even really bad filler at that. How Ten, Yamcha, and possibly Chaozu jumped up from around 2,000 in power level (tops) to around 45,000 is really ridiculous.
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Indeed.

So I was right, it was a horrible match up.
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Apr 22 2007, 03:28 PM
How Ten, Yamcha, and possibly Chaozu jumped up from around 2,000 in power level (tops) to around 45,000 is really ridiculous.

It's not really that crazy when you think about it. I mean, look at Goku after he finished his training on King Kai's. They went through the exact same lessons he did except they weren't tought Kaio-Ken or how to use the Spirit Bomb. Besides that, it was the amount of gravity they were forced to train under that helped raise their power level. That and the fact that they were with King Kai for quite awhile, so it's understandable how their power levels could have increased so high.
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Goku had trained with Kaio-sama for 158 days to reach a power level of over 8,000. By the time the Ginyu Special Forces got there Chaozu, Ten, and Yamcha had about six days of training. (I'm assuming the Ginyu Special Forces arrived the same day they died, right?)

Piccolo seemed to get to over 3,000 in that short time, but that's not a hugely, remarkable increase for him when you consider what his power level possibly was before he trained with Kaio-sama. (IMO around 2,200 - 2,400). That'd place everyone lower than him.
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It takes a mere second for treasure to turn to trash.

Goku is a saiyan, and the strongest character in the show, and reached only 8,000 in 158 days.

They were only there for about a week, and Chiaotzu is one of the weakest (only after Master Roshi)

So, it is.
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Pineapple
Apr 22 2007, 10:15 AM
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Apr 22 2007, 04:21 AM
Chaozu never fought the Ginyu Force. NEVER.

That's actually not true. He fought Guldo in Kaioh's planet. I guess that's what Warheart was talking about.

Corrupt[ed] was talking about battles on canon terms. Chaozu fighting Gurd on Kaio-sama's was purely non-canon. It's even really bad filler at that. How Ten, Yamcha, and possibly Chaozu jumped up from around 2,000 in power level (tops) to around 45,000 is really ridiculous.

Still, he fought him. Making sense or not he fought and defeated Guldo. Yamcha and Tien also fought and defeated the rest of the Ginyu Force. That's what happens on the anime, that's part of the story.

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No, it's not. It never happened. It never could happen. Chiaotzu was never as strong as Gurd in ALL of DBZ. He could never defeat Gurd. If it didn't happen in the manga, it is NOT part of the storyline.
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lol That's bull. Akira approved of the anime, which means he approves of fans taking parts of the anime into the storyline. Talking about manga vs anime is pointless.
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,Apr 27 2007, 03:55 AM] No, it's not. It never happened. It never could happen. Chiaotzu was never as strong as Gurd in ALL of DBZ. He could never defeat Gurd. If it didn't happen in the manga, it is NOT part of the storyline.

I've only got three things to say to you:

Episode 78 - Keep the Chance Alive
Episode 79 - Power of the Spirit
Episode 80 - Transformed at Last

If you still think that it is not part of the show's story, you're either blind or slow.

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It takes a mere second for treasure to turn to trash.

I don't take liking of you insulting me when I am clearly right. Chaozu never fought Gurd in the Manga, and he could never win. Nuff said.
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I understand the idea of filler episodes and I know the difference between canon and non-canon, which by the way, Dragonball GT was the only part of the Dragonball Franchise that was non-canon.

I just have to ask though, what's the big deal? So it didn't happen in the manga. Who really cares? What's wrong with something extra being added in an Anime? Do you honestly have to have the exact same events take place exactly the way they did in the Manga?

I'm not saying that Super Hero movies are canon, but as an example, you probably don't watch live action Super Hero movies at all if this is your thinking.

Point being, whether it happened in the Manga or not, doesn't matter. If Akira Toriyama did it, it was cannon. Period.

Also, to quote a friend, "It's entertainment. If you didn't like it, leave the conversation please and let those of us that do like it continue our discussion."
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Akira Toriyama didn't make the filler segments in the anime. If he did, there would be no point in having both an anime and manga. Toei productions added those extra segments of pictures.

The main point is, it contradicts the story. Therefore avoiding it takes away those contradictions.

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In the context of a fictional universe, the canon comprises those novels, stories, films, etc., that are considered to be genuine or officially sanctioned, and those events, characters, settings, etc., that are considered to have existence within the fictional universe. In order for a setting to appear cohesive, especially in fictions that contain multiple parts, both creators and audiences sometimes find it useful to define what has and has not "actually happened" in that universe. Items that are considered canon usually come from the original source or author of the fictional universe, while non-canon material comes from adaptations, spin-offs or unofficial items, often in different media. Fan fiction is usually an example of non-canonical fiction.

The use of "canon" to describe the degree to which a work adheres to the standards of its fictional world.
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Here's a good question, if Akira Toryiama didn't make the filler episodes in the Anime, then who did?
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Apr 28 2007, 12:44 AM
Toei productions added those extra segments of pictures.


Edit: Also note that I didn't say you couldn't talk about the filler with Chaozu in it. I said Corrupt[ed] was talking about a Canon version of the series when he said Chaozu never fought the Ginyu Special Forces. Then I said I didn’t like the filler because it was very contradictory. Feel free to talk about whatever.
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