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Krillin vs. Tien; End of DBZ
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Topic Started: Dec 9 2006, 04:11 PM (2,746 Views)
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Tien_kikoho
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Jan 3 2008, 10:13 AM
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Who IS the strongest human alive? Many claim that Krillin is, but it seems to me that Tien would be the strongest for several reasons. However, I'll refrain for now so you guys can get your votes in.
I'm actually confused about this particular topic. I think the confusion also arises because of the power inconsistencies that exist in dbz and even in GT. If you go by what is said in the manga then Krillin is stronger. In the manga, Marron is worried about her dad, but Yamcha says to her something along the lines of "Don't worry. Your dad is the strongest man on Earth" then you can see him thinking "Among humans anyway". People often say that Yamcha said this only to comfort marron, but if thats the case then why does he say "among humans anyway" to himself ??
But anyway, at the start of the show, the official power level readings were -
Tien - 250
Krillin - 206
Yamcha - 177
Then during saiyan saga -
Tien : 1,830 (from the Daizenshu)
Krillin : 1,770 (from the Daizenshu)
Yamcha: 1480(from the Daizenshu)
So for Tien the power level increase is 7.32X
For krillin it is 8.59X
Even for Yamcha it is 8.36X
Now here lies my problem..Tien's power level increase is even lower than that of Yamcha which is kinda ridiculous. Any one who has seen the show can conclude that Tien is definitely a more serious fighter than Yamcha.They all received the same training then why such a low figure for Tien ? Either make Tien Pl increase higher or at least keep the same figure for all fighters. There were no indications of Tien slacking off during the training at Kamis place. Infact, he was always one of the most motivated fighters. This is also supported by the info we get from db where Tien is consistently trying to match up to Goku and even in 23rd budokai, he was able to stand up to Goku. He isn't even bothered about Krillin. Its obvious that Tien aims higher whereas the same cannot be said about Krillin. He is not as ambitious.
During 22nd Budokai Tien and Goku were even and they had a power level of 180 as stated by daizenshu. Now after 8 years, at the start of dbz, goku is 416 and tien is 250. So while goku increased his power level by 2.31x tien increased it by 1.39x in the same period.Tien trained at King kais planet for 266 days. Goku trained for 158 days and his power level went from 416 to over 8000..almost 20X increase.If you do some calculations, tien's power level can be estimated around 38,000 after king kais planet.
In the beginning of namek saga, krillins power is stated to be around 1500 and this I believe is his uncorked ki because he was not suppressing any power while fighting freezas henchmen. This is again inconsistent with 1770 figure stated during saiyan saga. Krillin, after the power up he gains from Guru becomes the stronger of the two. Krillin is stated to have a power over 10,000 by this time(13,000 according to the Daizenshu). When Vegeta was at 18000 and he received a zenkai, his power level went up to 24000 i.e. it increased by 1.33 times. Even after the second zenkai, he was in 30000's. So its hard to believe that Krillins power would have gone up beyond 20,000 before he was killed by Frieza considering that Krillins only a human whereas vegeta is a saiyan of highest class. Krillin took a senzu bean(which would have restored his strength and not boosted it) and he was healed by dende once. And there is no evidence of power level going up after someone is brought back with dragonballs. Even if it did happen, I really doubt he went beyond 30,000.
So even at this stage, I think Tien is more powerful than Krillin or at least as powerful as krillin.Once the Androids have arrived, Tien has actually been training almost constantly for the past 4 years. He puts up a good show against cell in 2nd form by stopping him whereas krillin has a skirmish with form 1 cell that goes no where. After the final battle with Cell, Krillin retired from fighting and quit training... Tien didn't. He trained in the mountains for seven years and comes back to save gohan, dende and mr. satan from buu's attack. Even if there is a gap between the two, Tien would have made up and surpassed it.
This is just my opinion though that Tien is stronger, but if you go by what has been stated in manga(what yamcha said) then Krillin is stronger.
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Jan 3 2008, 02:43 PM
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Even in the Cell saga, Tien had cell pinned down with his Tribeam for ages.....really cant see Krillin doing anything on that scale.
Krillin uses his destructo disk and it dosent affect cell one bit, it was as if he didnt even use the technique.
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Jan 3 2008, 07:22 PM
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Tien would own on krillin just for the fact that krillin doesnt take training as seriously as tien does
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Tien would own on krillin just for the fact that krillin doesnt take training as seriously as tien does
Again, you people are failing to realize that Toriyama himself, said Krillin is the strongest human by the end of the DBZ series. GT? Maybe Tien, but I don't really count GT that much since it wasn't made by Toriyama.
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Jan 4 2008, 12:34 AM
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Tien would own on krillin just for the fact that krillin doesnt take training as seriously as tien does
Again, you people are failing to realize that Toriyama himself, said Krillin is the strongest human by the end of the DBZ series. GT? Maybe Tien, but I don't really count GT that much since it wasn't made by Toriyama.
No he didnt say that, what, you know him personally do you?
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Tien would own on krillin just for the fact that krillin doesnt take training as seriously as tien does
Again, you people are failing to realize that Toriyama himself, said Krillin is the strongest human by the end of the DBZ series. GT? Maybe Tien, but I don't really count GT that much since it wasn't made by Toriyama.
No he didnt say that, what, you know him personally do you?
No, he was quoted in a Q & A session, and the session and quote were both posted in a DBZ magazine. Just because you don't want to believe he did, or just didn't see it, doesn't mean it didn't happen. Tien is one of my favorite characters, so it's not like I'm just saying that either.
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- Dec 9 2006, 04:11 PM
Who IS the strongest human alive? Many claim that Krillin is, but it seems to me that Tien would be the strongest for several reasons. However, I'll refrain for now so you guys can get your votes in.
I'm actually confused about this particular topic. I think the confusion also arises because of the power inconsistencies that exist in dbz and even in GT. If you go by what is said in the manga then Krillin is stronger. In the manga, Marron is worried about her dad, but Yamcha says to her something along the lines of "Don't worry. Your dad is the strongest man on Earth" then you can see him thinking "Among humans anyway". People often say that Yamcha said this only to comfort marron, but if thats the case then why does he say "among humans anyway" to himself ?? But anyway, at the start of the show, the official power level readings were - Tien - 250 Krillin - 206 Yamcha - 177 Then during saiyan saga - Tien : 1,830 (from the Daizenshu) Krillin : 1,770 (from the Daizenshu) Yamcha: 1480(from the Daizenshu) So for Tien the power level increase is 7.32X For krillin it is 8.59X Even for Yamcha it is 8.36X Now here lies my problem..Tien's power level increase is even lower than that of Yamcha which is kinda ridiculous. Any one who has seen the show can conclude that Tien is definitely a more serious fighter than Yamcha.They all received the same training then why such a low figure for Tien ? Either make Tien Pl increase higher or at least keep the same figure for all fighters. There were no indications of Tien slacking off during the training at Kamis place. Infact, he was always one of the most motivated fighters. This is also supported by the info we get from db where Tien is consistently trying to match up to Goku and even in 23rd budokai, he was able to stand up to Goku. He isn't even bothered about Krillin. Its obvious that Tien aims higher whereas the same cannot be said about Krillin. He is not as ambitious. During 22nd Budokai Tien and Goku were even and they had a power level of 180 as stated by daizenshu. Now after 8 years, at the start of dbz, goku is 416 and tien is 250. So while goku increased his power level by 2.31x tien increased it by 1.39x in the same period.Tien trained at King kais planet for 266 days. Goku trained for 158 days and his power level went from 416 to over 8000..almost 20X increase.If you do some calculations, tien's power level can be estimated around 38,000 after king kais planet. In the beginning of namek saga, krillins power is stated to be around 1500 and this I believe is his uncorked ki because he was not suppressing any power while fighting freezas henchmen. This is again inconsistent with 1770 figure stated during saiyan saga. Krillin, after the power up he gains from Guru becomes the stronger of the two. Krillin is stated to have a power over 10,000 by this time(13,000 according to the Daizenshu). When Vegeta was at 18000 and he received a zenkai, his power level went up to 24000 i.e. it increased by 1.33 times. Even after the second zenkai, he was in 30000's. So its hard to believe that Krillins power would have gone up beyond 20,000 before he was killed by Frieza considering that Krillins only a human whereas vegeta is a saiyan of highest class. Krillin took a senzu bean(which would have restored his strength and not boosted it) and he was healed by dende once. And there is no evidence of power level going up after someone is brought back with dragonballs. Even if it did happen, I really doubt he went beyond 30,000. So even at this stage, I think Tien is more powerful than Krillin or at least as powerful as krillin.Once the Androids have arrived, Tien has actually been training almost constantly for the past 4 years. He puts up a good show against cell in 2nd form by stopping him whereas krillin has a skirmish with form 1 cell that goes no where. After the final battle with Cell, Krillin retired from fighting and quit training... Tien didn't. He trained in the mountains for seven years and comes back to save gohan, dende and mr. satan from buu's attack. Even if there is a gap between the two, Tien would have made up and surpassed it. This is just my opinion though that Tien is stronger, but if you go by what has been stated in manga(what yamcha said) then Krillin is stronger.
Hah! Excellent post! I couldn't have said it better myself. Tien would win at ANY point in the series, especially the end of the series as Kuririn slacks off in his training for many, many years, but, Tien keeps training.
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,Jan 5 2008, 01:15 AM] - Tien_kikoho
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- Dec 9 2006, 04:11 PM
Who IS the strongest human alive? Many claim that Krillin is, but it seems to me that Tien would be the strongest for several reasons. However, I'll refrain for now so you guys can get your votes in.
I'm actually confused about this particular topic. I think the confusion also arises because of the power inconsistencies that exist in dbz and even in GT. If you go by what is said in the manga then Krillin is stronger. In the manga, Marron is worried about her dad, but Yamcha says to her something along the lines of "Don't worry. Your dad is the strongest man on Earth" then you can see him thinking "Among humans anyway". People often say that Yamcha said this only to comfort marron, but if thats the case then why does he say "among humans anyway" to himself ?? But anyway, at the start of the show, the official power level readings were - Tien - 250 Krillin - 206 Yamcha - 177 Then during saiyan saga - Tien : 1,830 (from the Daizenshu) Krillin : 1,770 (from the Daizenshu) Yamcha: 1480(from the Daizenshu) So for Tien the power level increase is 7.32X For krillin it is 8.59X Even for Yamcha it is 8.36X Now here lies my problem..Tien's power level increase is even lower than that of Yamcha which is kinda ridiculous. Any one who has seen the show can conclude that Tien is definitely a more serious fighter than Yamcha.They all received the same training then why such a low figure for Tien ? Either make Tien Pl increase higher or at least keep the same figure for all fighters. There were no indications of Tien slacking off during the training at Kamis place. Infact, he was always one of the most motivated fighters. This is also supported by the info we get from db where Tien is consistently trying to match up to Goku and even in 23rd budokai, he was able to stand up to Goku. He isn't even bothered about Krillin. Its obvious that Tien aims higher whereas the same cannot be said about Krillin. He is not as ambitious. During 22nd Budokai Tien and Goku were even and they had a power level of 180 as stated by daizenshu. Now after 8 years, at the start of dbz, goku is 416 and tien is 250. So while goku increased his power level by 2.31x tien increased it by 1.39x in the same period.Tien trained at King kais planet for 266 days. Goku trained for 158 days and his power level went from 416 to over 8000..almost 20X increase.If you do some calculations, tien's power level can be estimated around 38,000 after king kais planet. In the beginning of namek saga, krillins power is stated to be around 1500 and this I believe is his uncorked ki because he was not suppressing any power while fighting freezas henchmen. This is again inconsistent with 1770 figure stated during saiyan saga. Krillin, after the power up he gains from Guru becomes the stronger of the two. Krillin is stated to have a power over 10,000 by this time(13,000 according to the Daizenshu). When Vegeta was at 18000 and he received a zenkai, his power level went up to 24000 i.e. it increased by 1.33 times. Even after the second zenkai, he was in 30000's. So its hard to believe that Krillins power would have gone up beyond 20,000 before he was killed by Frieza considering that Krillins only a human whereas vegeta is a saiyan of highest class. Krillin took a senzu bean(which would have restored his strength and not boosted it) and he was healed by dende once. And there is no evidence of power level going up after someone is brought back with dragonballs. Even if it did happen, I really doubt he went beyond 30,000. So even at this stage, I think Tien is more powerful than Krillin or at least as powerful as krillin.Once the Androids have arrived, Tien has actually been training almost constantly for the past 4 years. He puts up a good show against cell in 2nd form by stopping him whereas krillin has a skirmish with form 1 cell that goes no where. After the final battle with Cell, Krillin retired from fighting and quit training... Tien didn't. He trained in the mountains for seven years and comes back to save gohan, dende and mr. satan from buu's attack. Even if there is a gap between the two, Tien would have made up and surpassed it. This is just my opinion though that Tien is stronger, but if you go by what has been stated in manga(what yamcha said) then Krillin is stronger.
Hah! Excellent post! I couldn't have said it better myself. Tien would win at ANY point in the series, especially the end of the series as Kuririn slacks off in his training for many, many years, but, Tien keeps training.
For the third time, Toriyama said himself that Krillin was the strongest human aside from Uub. Tien is one of my favorite characters, so no I'm not making it up.
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Jan 5 2008, 01:00 PM
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,Jan 5 2008, 01:15 AM] - Tien_kikoho
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- Dec 9 2006, 04:11 PM
Who IS the strongest human alive? Many claim that Krillin is, but it seems to me that Tien would be the strongest for several reasons. However, I'll refrain for now so you guys can get your votes in.
I'm actually confused about this particular topic. I think the confusion also arises because of the power inconsistencies that exist in dbz and even in GT. If you go by what is said in the manga then Krillin is stronger. In the manga, Marron is worried about her dad, but Yamcha says to her something along the lines of "Don't worry. Your dad is the strongest man on Earth" then you can see him thinking "Among humans anyway". People often say that Yamcha said this only to comfort marron, but if thats the case then why does he say "among humans anyway" to himself ?? But anyway, at the start of the show, the official power level readings were - Tien - 250 Krillin - 206 Yamcha - 177 Then during saiyan saga - Tien : 1,830 (from the Daizenshu) Krillin : 1,770 (from the Daizenshu) Yamcha: 1480(from the Daizenshu) So for Tien the power level increase is 7.32X For krillin it is 8.59X Even for Yamcha it is 8.36X Now here lies my problem..Tien's power level increase is even lower than that of Yamcha which is kinda ridiculous. Any one who has seen the show can conclude that Tien is definitely a more serious fighter than Yamcha.They all received the same training then why such a low figure for Tien ? Either make Tien Pl increase higher or at least keep the same figure for all fighters. There were no indications of Tien slacking off during the training at Kamis place. Infact, he was always one of the most motivated fighters. This is also supported by the info we get from db where Tien is consistently trying to match up to Goku and even in 23rd budokai, he was able to stand up to Goku. He isn't even bothered about Krillin. Its obvious that Tien aims higher whereas the same cannot be said about Krillin. He is not as ambitious. During 22nd Budokai Tien and Goku were even and they had a power level of 180 as stated by daizenshu. Now after 8 years, at the start of dbz, goku is 416 and tien is 250. So while goku increased his power level by 2.31x tien increased it by 1.39x in the same period.Tien trained at King kais planet for 266 days. Goku trained for 158 days and his power level went from 416 to over 8000..almost 20X increase.If you do some calculations, tien's power level can be estimated around 38,000 after king kais planet. In the beginning of namek saga, krillins power is stated to be around 1500 and this I believe is his uncorked ki because he was not suppressing any power while fighting freezas henchmen. This is again inconsistent with 1770 figure stated during saiyan saga. Krillin, after the power up he gains from Guru becomes the stronger of the two. Krillin is stated to have a power over 10,000 by this time(13,000 according to the Daizenshu). When Vegeta was at 18000 and he received a zenkai, his power level went up to 24000 i.e. it increased by 1.33 times. Even after the second zenkai, he was in 30000's. So its hard to believe that Krillins power would have gone up beyond 20,000 before he was killed by Frieza considering that Krillins only a human whereas vegeta is a saiyan of highest class. Krillin took a senzu bean(which would have restored his strength and not boosted it) and he was healed by dende once. And there is no evidence of power level going up after someone is brought back with dragonballs. Even if it did happen, I really doubt he went beyond 30,000. So even at this stage, I think Tien is more powerful than Krillin or at least as powerful as krillin.Once the Androids have arrived, Tien has actually been training almost constantly for the past 4 years. He puts up a good show against cell in 2nd form by stopping him whereas krillin has a skirmish with form 1 cell that goes no where. After the final battle with Cell, Krillin retired from fighting and quit training... Tien didn't. He trained in the mountains for seven years and comes back to save gohan, dende and mr. satan from buu's attack. Even if there is a gap between the two, Tien would have made up and surpassed it. This is just my opinion though that Tien is stronger, but if you go by what has been stated in manga(what yamcha said) then Krillin is stronger.
Hah! Excellent post! I couldn't have said it better myself. Tien would win at ANY point in the series, especially the end of the series as Kuririn slacks off in his training for many, many years, but, Tien keeps training.
Yes Corupted, I agree with you that its logical and more realistic to believe that Tien was stronger than Krillin but if go by what has been said on the manga , during the course of the World Tournament in the Buu Saga by Yamcha then we have to agree that Krillin was stronger. Toriyama basically used Yamcha to state this canonical fact on this scene. I consider it to be a flaw in DBZ just like the many other flaws which exist and have been pointed out from time to time. Its no secret that Toriyama had lost almost all interest in the series long before that point and was only writing it to fulfill his contractual obligation.
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- Dec 9 2006, 04:11 PM
Who IS the strongest human alive? Many claim that Krillin is, but it seems to me that Tien would be the strongest for several reasons. However, I'll refrain for now so you guys can get your votes in.
I'm actually confused about this particular topic. I think the confusion also arises because of the power inconsistencies that exist in dbz and even in GT. If you go by what is said in the manga then Krillin is stronger. In the manga, Marron is worried about her dad, but Yamcha says to her something along the lines of "Don't worry. Your dad is the strongest man on Earth" then you can see him thinking "Among humans anyway". People often say that Yamcha said this only to comfort marron, but if thats the case then why does he say "among humans anyway" to himself ?? But anyway, at the start of the show, the official power level readings were - Tien - 250 Krillin - 206 Yamcha - 177 Then during saiyan saga - Tien : 1,830 (from the Daizenshu) Krillin : 1,770 (from the Daizenshu) Yamcha: 1480(from the Daizenshu) So for Tien the power level increase is 7.32X For krillin it is 8.59X Even for Yamcha it is 8.36X Now here lies my problem..Tien's power level increase is even lower than that of Yamcha which is kinda ridiculous. Any one who has seen the show can conclude that Tien is definitely a more serious fighter than Yamcha.They all received the same training then why such a low figure for Tien ? Either make Tien Pl increase higher or at least keep the same figure for all fighters. There were no indications of Tien slacking off during the training at Kamis place. Infact, he was always one of the most motivated fighters. This is also supported by the info we get from db where Tien is consistently trying to match up to Goku and even in 23rd budokai, he was able to stand up to Goku. He isn't even bothered about Krillin. Its obvious that Tien aims higher whereas the same cannot be said about Krillin. He is not as ambitious. During 22nd Budokai Tien and Goku were even and they had a power level of 180 as stated by daizenshu. Now after 8 years, at the start of dbz, goku is 416 and tien is 250. So while goku increased his power level by 2.31x tien increased it by 1.39x in the same period.Tien trained at King kais planet for 266 days. Goku trained for 158 days and his power level went from 416 to over 8000..almost 20X increase.If you do some calculations, tien's power level can be estimated around 38,000 after king kais planet. In the beginning of namek saga, krillins power is stated to be around 1500 and this I believe is his uncorked ki because he was not suppressing any power while fighting freezas henchmen. This is again inconsistent with 1770 figure stated during saiyan saga. Krillin, after the power up he gains from Guru becomes the stronger of the two. Krillin is stated to have a power over 10,000 by this time(13,000 according to the Daizenshu). When Vegeta was at 18000 and he received a zenkai, his power level went up to 24000 i.e. it increased by 1.33 times. Even after the second zenkai, he was in 30000's. So its hard to believe that Krillins power would have gone up beyond 20,000 before he was killed by Frieza considering that Krillins only a human whereas vegeta is a saiyan of highest class. Krillin took a senzu bean(which would have restored his strength and not boosted it) and he was healed by dende once. And there is no evidence of power level going up after someone is brought back with dragonballs. Even if it did happen, I really doubt he went beyond 30,000. So even at this stage, I think Tien is more powerful than Krillin or at least as powerful as krillin.Once the Androids have arrived, Tien has actually been training almost constantly for the past 4 years. He puts up a good show against cell in 2nd form by stopping him whereas krillin has a skirmish with form 1 cell that goes no where. After the final battle with Cell, Krillin retired from fighting and quit training... Tien didn't. He trained in the mountains for seven years and comes back to save gohan, dende and mr. satan from buu's attack. Even if there is a gap between the two, Tien would have made up and surpassed it. This is just my opinion though that Tien is stronger, but if you go by what has been stated in manga(what yamcha said) then Krillin is stronger.
Hah! Excellent post! I couldn't have said it better myself. Tien would win at ANY point in the series, especially the end of the series as Kuririn slacks off in his training for many, many years, but, Tien keeps training.
Yes Corupted, I agree with you that its logical and more realistic to believe that Tien was stronger than Krillin but if go by what has been said on the manga , during the course of the World Tournament in the Buu Saga by Yamcha then we have to agree that Krillin was stronger. Toriyama basically used Yamcha to state this canonical fact on this scene. I consider it to be a flaw in DBZ just like the many other flaws which exist and have been pointed out from time to time. Its no secret that Toriyama had lost almost all interest in the series long before that point and was only writing it to fulfill his contractual obligation.
Either way, Toriyama is the guy who decides who is stronger than who. And since he decided Krillin is stronger than Tien, that's the fact. I'm a huge Tien fan as I'm sure you are as well, but I'm not silly enough to argue against a plain fact with simple opinions.
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- Dec 9 2006, 04:11 PM
Who IS the strongest human alive? Many claim that Krillin is, but it seems to me that Tien would be the strongest for several reasons. However, I'll refrain for now so you guys can get your votes in.
I'm actually confused about this particular topic. I think the confusion also arises because of the power inconsistencies that exist in dbz and even in GT. If you go by what is said in the manga then Krillin is stronger. In the manga, Marron is worried about her dad, but Yamcha says to her something along the lines of "Don't worry. Your dad is the strongest man on Earth" then you can see him thinking "Among humans anyway". People often say that Yamcha said this only to comfort marron, but if thats the case then why does he say "among humans anyway" to himself ?? But anyway, at the start of the show, the official power level readings were - Tien - 250 Krillin - 206 Yamcha - 177 Then during saiyan saga - Tien : 1,830 (from the Daizenshu) Krillin : 1,770 (from the Daizenshu) Yamcha: 1480(from the Daizenshu) So for Tien the power level increase is 7.32X For krillin it is 8.59X Even for Yamcha it is 8.36X Now here lies my problem..Tien's power level increase is even lower than that of Yamcha which is kinda ridiculous. Any one who has seen the show can conclude that Tien is definitely a more serious fighter than Yamcha.They all received the same training then why such a low figure for Tien ? Either make Tien Pl increase higher or at least keep the same figure for all fighters. There were no indications of Tien slacking off during the training at Kamis place. Infact, he was always one of the most motivated fighters. This is also supported by the info we get from db where Tien is consistently trying to match up to Goku and even in 23rd budokai, he was able to stand up to Goku. He isn't even bothered about Krillin. Its obvious that Tien aims higher whereas the same cannot be said about Krillin. He is not as ambitious. During 22nd Budokai Tien and Goku were even and they had a power level of 180 as stated by daizenshu. Now after 8 years, at the start of dbz, goku is 416 and tien is 250. So while goku increased his power level by 2.31x tien increased it by 1.39x in the same period.Tien trained at King kais planet for 266 days. Goku trained for 158 days and his power level went from 416 to over 8000..almost 20X increase.If you do some calculations, tien's power level can be estimated around 38,000 after king kais planet. In the beginning of namek saga, krillins power is stated to be around 1500 and this I believe is his uncorked ki because he was not suppressing any power while fighting freezas henchmen. This is again inconsistent with 1770 figure stated during saiyan saga. Krillin, after the power up he gains from Guru becomes the stronger of the two. Krillin is stated to have a power over 10,000 by this time(13,000 according to the Daizenshu). When Vegeta was at 18000 and he received a zenkai, his power level went up to 24000 i.e. it increased by 1.33 times. Even after the second zenkai, he was in 30000's. So its hard to believe that Krillins power would have gone up beyond 20,000 before he was killed by Frieza considering that Krillins only a human whereas vegeta is a saiyan of highest class. Krillin took a senzu bean(which would have restored his strength and not boosted it) and he was healed by dende once. And there is no evidence of power level going up after someone is brought back with dragonballs. Even if it did happen, I really doubt he went beyond 30,000. So even at this stage, I think Tien is more powerful than Krillin or at least as powerful as krillin.Once the Androids have arrived, Tien has actually been training almost constantly for the past 4 years. He puts up a good show against cell in 2nd form by stopping him whereas krillin has a skirmish with form 1 cell that goes no where. After the final battle with Cell, Krillin retired from fighting and quit training... Tien didn't. He trained in the mountains for seven years and comes back to save gohan, dende and mr. satan from buu's attack. Even if there is a gap between the two, Tien would have made up and surpassed it. This is just my opinion though that Tien is stronger, but if you go by what has been stated in manga(what yamcha said) then Krillin is stronger.
Hah! Excellent post! I couldn't have said it better myself. Tien would win at ANY point in the series, especially the end of the series as Kuririn slacks off in his training for many, many years, but, Tien keeps training.
Yes Corupted, I agree with you that its logical and more realistic to believe that Tien was stronger than Krillin but if go by what has been said on the manga , during the course of the World Tournament in the Buu Saga by Yamcha then we have to agree that Krillin was stronger. Toriyama basically used Yamcha to state this canonical fact on this scene. I consider it to be a flaw in DBZ just like the many other flaws which exist and have been pointed out from time to time. Its no secret that Toriyama had lost almost all interest in the series long before that point and was only writing it to fulfill his contractual obligation.
Either way, Toriyama is the guy who decides who is stronger than who. And since he decided Krillin is stronger than Tien, that's the fact. I'm a huge Tien fan as I'm sure you are as well, but I'm not silly enough to argue against a plain fact with simple opinions.
this is true. We have to accept what he directly/indirectly said as canonical fact.
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Even in the Cell saga, Tien had cell pinned down with his Tribeam for ages.....really cant see Krillin doing anything on that scale.
Krillin uses his destructo disk and it dosent affect cell one bit, it was as if he didnt even use the technique.
Tien held down Cell in his Second Stage, Krillin was trying to use the Destructo Disk on Cell in his Perfect Stage, a form that Vegeta couldn't even match up to. I don't think it's fair to compare them in that respect.
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,Jan 5 2008, 01:15 AM] - Tien_kikoho
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- Dec 9 2006, 04:11 PM
Who IS the strongest human alive? Many claim that Krillin is, but it seems to me that Tien would be the strongest for several reasons. However, I'll refrain for now so you guys can get your votes in.
I'm actually confused about this particular topic. I think the confusion also arises because of the power inconsistencies that exist in dbz and even in GT. If you go by what is said in the manga then Krillin is stronger. In the manga, Marron is worried about her dad, but Yamcha says to her something along the lines of "Don't worry. Your dad is the strongest man on Earth" then you can see him thinking "Among humans anyway". People often say that Yamcha said this only to comfort marron, but if thats the case then why does he say "among humans anyway" to himself ?? But anyway, at the start of the show, the official power level readings were - Tien - 250 Krillin - 206 Yamcha - 177 Then during saiyan saga - Tien : 1,830 (from the Daizenshu) Krillin : 1,770 (from the Daizenshu) Yamcha: 1480(from the Daizenshu) So for Tien the power level increase is 7.32X For krillin it is 8.59X Even for Yamcha it is 8.36X Now here lies my problem..Tien's power level increase is even lower than that of Yamcha which is kinda ridiculous. Any one who has seen the show can conclude that Tien is definitely a more serious fighter than Yamcha.They all received the same training then why such a low figure for Tien ? Either make Tien Pl increase higher or at least keep the same figure for all fighters. There were no indications of Tien slacking off during the training at Kamis place. Infact, he was always one of the most motivated fighters. This is also supported by the info we get from db where Tien is consistently trying to match up to Goku and even in 23rd budokai, he was able to stand up to Goku. He isn't even bothered about Krillin. Its obvious that Tien aims higher whereas the same cannot be said about Krillin. He is not as ambitious. During 22nd Budokai Tien and Goku were even and they had a power level of 180 as stated by daizenshu. Now after 8 years, at the start of dbz, goku is 416 and tien is 250. So while goku increased his power level by 2.31x tien increased it by 1.39x in the same period.Tien trained at King kais planet for 266 days. Goku trained for 158 days and his power level went from 416 to over 8000..almost 20X increase.If you do some calculations, tien's power level can be estimated around 38,000 after king kais planet. In the beginning of namek saga, krillins power is stated to be around 1500 and this I believe is his uncorked ki because he was not suppressing any power while fighting freezas henchmen. This is again inconsistent with 1770 figure stated during saiyan saga. Krillin, after the power up he gains from Guru becomes the stronger of the two. Krillin is stated to have a power over 10,000 by this time(13,000 according to the Daizenshu). When Vegeta was at 18000 and he received a zenkai, his power level went up to 24000 i.e. it increased by 1.33 times. Even after the second zenkai, he was in 30000's. So its hard to believe that Krillins power would have gone up beyond 20,000 before he was killed by Frieza considering that Krillins only a human whereas vegeta is a saiyan of highest class. Krillin took a senzu bean(which would have restored his strength and not boosted it) and he was healed by dende once. And there is no evidence of power level going up after someone is brought back with dragonballs. Even if it did happen, I really doubt he went beyond 30,000. So even at this stage, I think Tien is more powerful than Krillin or at least as powerful as krillin.Once the Androids have arrived, Tien has actually been training almost constantly for the past 4 years. He puts up a good show against cell in 2nd form by stopping him whereas krillin has a skirmish with form 1 cell that goes no where. After the final battle with Cell, Krillin retired from fighting and quit training... Tien didn't. He trained in the mountains for seven years and comes back to save gohan, dende and mr. satan from buu's attack. Even if there is a gap between the two, Tien would have made up and surpassed it. This is just my opinion though that Tien is stronger, but if you go by what has been stated in manga(what yamcha said) then Krillin is stronger.
Hah! Excellent post! I couldn't have said it better myself. Tien would win at ANY point in the series, especially the end of the series as Kuririn slacks off in his training for many, many years, but, Tien keeps training.
For the third time, Toriyama said himself that Krillin was the strongest human aside from Uub. Tien is one of my favorite characters, so no I'm not making it up.
Toriyama said that? Where?
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,Jan 5 2008, 01:15 AM] - Tien_kikoho
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- Dec 9 2006, 04:11 PM
Who IS the strongest human alive? Many claim that Krillin is, but it seems to me that Tien would be the strongest for several reasons. However, I'll refrain for now so you guys can get your votes in.
I'm actually confused about this particular topic. I think the confusion also arises because of the power inconsistencies that exist in dbz and even in GT. If you go by what is said in the manga then Krillin is stronger. In the manga, Marron is worried about her dad, but Yamcha says to her something along the lines of "Don't worry. Your dad is the strongest man on Earth" then you can see him thinking "Among humans anyway". People often say that Yamcha said this only to comfort marron, but if thats the case then why does he say "among humans anyway" to himself ?? But anyway, at the start of the show, the official power level readings were - Tien - 250 Krillin - 206 Yamcha - 177 Then during saiyan saga - Tien : 1,830 (from the Daizenshu) Krillin : 1,770 (from the Daizenshu) Yamcha: 1480(from the Daizenshu) So for Tien the power level increase is 7.32X For krillin it is 8.59X Even for Yamcha it is 8.36X Now here lies my problem..Tien's power level increase is even lower than that of Yamcha which is kinda ridiculous. Any one who has seen the show can conclude that Tien is definitely a more serious fighter than Yamcha.They all received the same training then why such a low figure for Tien ? Either make Tien Pl increase higher or at least keep the same figure for all fighters. There were no indications of Tien slacking off during the training at Kamis place. Infact, he was always one of the most motivated fighters. This is also supported by the info we get from db where Tien is consistently trying to match up to Goku and even in 23rd budokai, he was able to stand up to Goku. He isn't even bothered about Krillin. Its obvious that Tien aims higher whereas the same cannot be said about Krillin. He is not as ambitious. During 22nd Budokai Tien and Goku were even and they had a power level of 180 as stated by daizenshu. Now after 8 years, at the start of dbz, goku is 416 and tien is 250. So while goku increased his power level by 2.31x tien increased it by 1.39x in the same period.Tien trained at King kais planet for 266 days. Goku trained for 158 days and his power level went from 416 to over 8000..almost 20X increase.If you do some calculations, tien's power level can be estimated around 38,000 after king kais planet. In the beginning of namek saga, krillins power is stated to be around 1500 and this I believe is his uncorked ki because he was not suppressing any power while fighting freezas henchmen. This is again inconsistent with 1770 figure stated during saiyan saga. Krillin, after the power up he gains from Guru becomes the stronger of the two. Krillin is stated to have a power over 10,000 by this time(13,000 according to the Daizenshu). When Vegeta was at 18000 and he received a zenkai, his power level went up to 24000 i.e. it increased by 1.33 times. Even after the second zenkai, he was in 30000's. So its hard to believe that Krillins power would have gone up beyond 20,000 before he was killed by Frieza considering that Krillins only a human whereas vegeta is a saiyan of highest class. Krillin took a senzu bean(which would have restored his strength and not boosted it) and he was healed by dende once. And there is no evidence of power level going up after someone is brought back with dragonballs. Even if it did happen, I really doubt he went beyond 30,000. So even at this stage, I think Tien is more powerful than Krillin or at least as powerful as krillin.Once the Androids have arrived, Tien has actually been training almost constantly for the past 4 years. He puts up a good show against cell in 2nd form by stopping him whereas krillin has a skirmish with form 1 cell that goes no where. After the final battle with Cell, Krillin retired from fighting and quit training... Tien didn't. He trained in the mountains for seven years and comes back to save gohan, dende and mr. satan from buu's attack. Even if there is a gap between the two, Tien would have made up and surpassed it. This is just my opinion though that Tien is stronger, but if you go by what has been stated in manga(what yamcha said) then Krillin is stronger.
Hah! Excellent post! I couldn't have said it better myself. Tien would win at ANY point in the series, especially the end of the series as Kuririn slacks off in his training for many, many years, but, Tien keeps training.
For the third time, Toriyama said himself that Krillin was the strongest human aside from Uub. Tien is one of my favorite characters, so no I'm not making it up.
Toriyama said that? Where?
He was featured in a Q & A session several years ago in a Anime/DBZ magazine that I still happen to have. I was kind of upset when I found out Krillin was the strongest human aside from Uub, because I've always been a big fan of Tien, but at the same time I'm not about to argue the point of the guy who created DBZ.
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Jan 6 2008, 02:17 PM
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After the final battle with Cell, Krillin retired from fighting and quit training... Tien didn't. He trained in the mountains for seven years and comes back to save gohan, dende and mr. satan from buu's attack. Even if there is a gap between the two, Tien would have made up and surpassed it.
This is one of the most decisive reasons why Tien is stronger, in my opinion.
Tien has always been a much more focused and dedicated warrior, his intentions were always to become a great martial artist, while Krillin first started by wanting to impress and catch women's attention.
I'd give a few more reasons but your post summed up everything I was going to say and more.
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