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| * Tyro | Nov 19 2006, 04:16 AM Post #1 |
 
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So, at long last, it's done. Yes, my very first power levels list. Be harsh, tell me of all mistakes. I've only done (and wanted to do) power levels up to the Freeza arc. Whether it be do to my own laziness or the lack of sense in power levels in the other sagas. Either way, I hope you enjoy my list and use it to it's full extent. Also, hope you enjoy all the titals directly from the Manga. Tyro’s Power Level Listings The Saiyan Saga: The Mysterious Warrior from Space Human Farmer: 5 Raditz: 1,250 Piccolo (w/ weighted clothing): 322 Son Goku (w/ weighted clothing): 334 Son Gohan (confined in spaceship): 710 Piccolo (w/o weighted clothing): 408 Son Goku (w/o weighted clothing): 416 Son Goku (Kamehameha): 924+ Piccolo (complete light of death): 1,330 Son Gohan (enraged): 1,307 Son Gohan (normal): 1 The (final?) Year of Living Dangerously…! Muten Roshi: 139 Kuririn: 206 Yamcha: 177 Tenshinhan: 250 Piccolo (w/ weighted clothing): 329 The Big “Chi”s! Chaozu (full power): 950 Yamcha (full power): 1,440 Tenshinhan (full power): 1,830 Son Gohan: 981 Kuririn: 1,083 Piccolo: 1,220 Cultivars: 1,250 Hope Runs Out Nappa: 3,000 Kuririn (full power): 1,770 Nappa (power-up): 4,000 Piccolo (full power): 2,800 Son Gohan (enraged, using Masenko): 2,800 Silent Rage Son Goku: 5,000 Son Goku (full power): 8,075 Nappa (power-up #2): 6,000 Nappa (full power, and concentrating): 7,700 Son Goku (Kaio-ken): 16,150 Clash of the Saiyans…! Vegeta: 17,000 Vegeta (full power): 18,000 Son Goku (Kaio-ken x3): 24,225 Vegeta (Gyarikku-ho): 36,000 Son Goku (Kaio-ken x3, using Kamehameha): 36,000 Son Goku (Kaio-ken x4, using Kamehameha): 44,075 Vegeta (damaged): 16,200 Vegeta (post-power ball): 12,000 Great Ape Vegeta: 120,000 Vegeta (post-Great Ape): 10,000 One More… the Sphere! Son Gohan (enraged): 5,000 Kuririn (wielding Genki Dama): 9,500 Vegeta (post-Genki Dama): 4,000 Great Ape Son Gohan: 4,000 The Namek Saga: The Welcoming Party! Son Gohan: “About 1,500” Kuririn: “About 1,500” Kiwi: 19,000 Vegeta (full power): 24,000 Young Nemekians: 1,000 Young Nemekians (full power): 3,000 A Killer’s Fear Dodoria: 20,000 Zarbon: 22,000 Zarbon (transformed): 28,000 Vegeta (post-rejuvenation): 31,300 Out of Time!!! Son Gohan (partial Great Elder power-up): 14,000 Kuririn (partial Great Elder power-up): 13,000 Gurd: 6,500 Vegeta (full power): 36,000 Reacoom: 45,000 A Super Saiyan?! Son Goku (suppressed): 5,000 Jheese: 45,000 Butta: 45,000 Captain Ginyu: 60,000 Captain Ginyu (power-up): 85,000 Son Goku (actual base power): 90,000 Son Goku (Kaio-ken): 180,000 Captain Ginyu (full power [never used]): 120,000 Nail, Champion of Namek Nail (full power): 42,000 Freeza: 265,000 Vegeta (post-zenaki): 255,000 Captain Ginyu (in Goku’s body, full power): 23,000 Kuririn (full Great Elder power-up): 24,000 Son Gohan (full Great Elder power-up, and rejuvenated): 30,820 An Unexpected Power-Up Freeza (full power): 530,000 Vegeta (full power): 510,000 Freeza (second form): 1,100,000 Son Gohan (enraged): 1,150,000 Freeza (power-up): 1,250,000 Piccolo: 6,000 Piccolo (post-merging with Nail): 1,330,000 Son Gohan (healed by Dende): 40,000 Freeza (second form, power-up #2): 1,440,000 Piccolo (w/o weighted clothing): 1,600,000 The Second Transformation! Freeza (third form): 2,225,000 Son Gohan (enraged, using full power blast): 2,000,000 Vegeta (healed by Dende): 2,500,000 Freeza (final form [actual form]): 3,000,000 The Ultimate Battle Begins!! Son Goku (rejuvenated): 3,000,000 Son Goku (Kaio-ken x10): 30,000,000 Freeza (50% full power): 72,000,000 Son Goku (Kaio-ken x20): 60,000,000 Son Goku (Kaio-ken x20, using Kamehameha): 70,000,000 Son Goku (weakened): 2,750,000 Son Goku (Genki Dama): 72,000,000 Freeza (50% full power, weakened): 66,000,000 Maximum Desperation Son Goku (Super Saiyan): 137,500,000 Freeza (70% full power, weakened): 92,400,000 Freeza (100% full power, weakened): 132,000,000 (and dropping) Freeza (100% full power, weakened and worn-down): 114,000,000 (and dropping) The Mysterious Youth Trunks (suppressed): 5 |
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| Sam | Nov 19 2006, 05:06 AM Post #2 |
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Go go Tyro Go Go! *Cheerleader girls on front line with pom pom's* Lol, no problems except. Are you blind? Tenshinhan cannot be stronger than Piccolo in the Saiyan Saga AND by that much, how did he go from much weaker than Piccolo to far ahead due to a little training? |
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| * Tyro | Nov 19 2006, 05:09 AM Post #3 |
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I assume you mean the Tenshinhan who single handedly out -stripped a Cultiver, who, if you remember, was stated equal to Raditz ("over 1,200"). And he did it in two hits. He easily bests Piccolo (from the beginning of Z) by the Saiyan Saga. Also note it says Tenshinhan is at full power. |
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Nov 20 2006, 03:56 AM Post #4 |
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Wow Goku goes from 90,000 base power to 3,000,000 after the rejuvination chamber? Thats more than 30 times as much power how the hell??? I know a saiyan gets stronger after getting hurt then recovering but isnt that a little bit much? I guess Raditz should be power level 35,000 if he got put in a rejuvination chamber and lived after piccolo used the tri beam cannon. I guess Toriyama had to do it to make the story flow though. |
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| * Tyro | Nov 20 2006, 11:42 PM Post #5 |
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Um... Yeah, that's what happened. |
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Nov 21 2006, 02:51 AM Post #6 |
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EDIT: This post I wrote when I was tired and I screwed up what I wanted to get across. Eh if a super saiyans power usually increases by 50 fold then just have a saiyan get badly injured and then go into a rejuvination chamber. There you go. The saiyan is now stronger than super saiyan without going into the form. |
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| * Tyro | Nov 21 2006, 03:14 AM Post #7 |
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Vegeta: "It's true you know... I've surpassed the limits of the Saiyan race...And I'm still getting stronger. And I'm just beginning to catch on myself that this is more than an ordinary increase. In other words... ...I'm getting closer and closer... ...to becoming a Super Saiyan!" Freeza (second form): "I have so much power now... I may not be able to control it... If any instrument could read my strength... It would surpass a million..." Goku (after leaving the rejuvenation chamber): "...! The power...!! It's like it's welling from inside me...!! I thought I'd reached my limit before... But this... This makes even me shudder... And it feels... so good... Especially coming now!" Vegeta (prior to becoming SSj): "We Saiyans can't be reduced to numbers." Those should clear some things up. |
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| Params7 | Nov 21 2006, 04:15 PM Post #8 |
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Explain this to me (not a problem with your list Tyro, just how Toriyama wrote this part) Goku trains with Kami and Mr.Popo for 3 years (Tambourine attacks Krillen at the ceremony of the 22nd Budokai, not long after Goku kills King Piccolo and starts training with Kami), he gains enough power to barely hang on with Piccolo Jr. Yamcha, Tien and Krillen train with Kame and Mr.Popo for 3 months or so (could be a year as well, someone help me here), but they go from being weaker than 23rd Budokai Goku to being strong enough to kill Raditz? Or is this just me?? |
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| * Tyro | Nov 21 2006, 08:46 PM Post #9 |
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Firstly I wouldn't really say Goku could "barely hang on" with Piccolo Jr., as much as saying Goku dropped his guard thus giving Piccolo the time needed to cause damage to Goku. Secondly the time we know for sure that everyone trained with Kami-sama was six months. Possibly more. And I believe my post on another forum explain this well:
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Nov 22 2006, 12:07 AM Post #10 |
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I messed up on my last post. I meant to say: A saiyan's power usually increases by 50 fold when a saiyan turns super saiyan. Goku's power increased 33.33 fold after the rejuvination chamber. If Goku got injured badly twice and then went into the rejuvination chamber twice, he would get stronger than going super saiyan. Rejuvenated Goku is at 3,000,000 power level and super saiyan Goku is at 137,500,000. Thats pretty close to 50x, but remember Goku was fighting Frieza for a while so he got worn out. He was probably at power level 2,750,000 before he went super saiyan. 137,500,000/50=2,750,000. So I would say 50x power for a super saiyan is pretty accurate and I would say you are right on the money with 137,500,000. My point was never to say anything you stated was wrong; my point was to say that Akira Toriyama made recovering from being badly injured pretty close to going super saiyan. That kind of makes super saiyan not that special if you can just keep getting stronger and recovering from near fatal blows or being very badly hurt. Goku's base level, not kaioken level is 90,000. His body gets badly hurt so he recovers in the rejuvination chamber. His power goes up to 3,000,000 just from that. Remember his base power is 3,000,000 not his kaioken power after the rejuvination chamber. Don't you think Akira Toriyama went a little overboard with everyone's power levels a little bit or do you think it was neccesary to make a good story? Going from 90,000 to 3,000,000 is a 33.33 times increase in power. If he got a near fatal blow or badly injured again then got healed in the rejuvination chamber his power would have probably got another 33.33 times increase going from 3,000,000 to 99,990,000. If he did this one more time then he would have increased his base power to 3,332,666,700. Does that sound ridiculous that being injured badly three times then going into a rejuvination chamber will increase Goku's power from 90,000 to 3,332,666,700 using a 33.33 times increase per badly injured/rejuvination chamber for Goku? Well 90,000 to 3,000,000 is also a 33.33 times increase in power and that sounds ridiculous. Just do the process two more times. It may also not be based on a 33.33 times increase it could be based on increasing one's power level by around 2,910,000. But then again Vegeta never recovered by nearly that much from being badly injured then recovering. He went from less than 24,000 base power to 31,300 (only around 1.3x not nearly 33.3x) after rejuvination so either Vegeta's genetics are horrible and just don't go up as fast as Goku's or Akira Toriyama cheated Goku's power up so much to make the story flow that calculating numbers doesn't even matter because there are no steady increases like by 1.3x, but rather cheating Goku's power up to 33.33x to make the storyline flow. Summary: ---Vegeta badly injured then put into rejuvination chamber = 1.3x increase in power ---Goku badly injured then put into rejuvination chamber = 33.33x increase in power ---Akira Toriyama must have did this to make the storyline flow because it would have took a very long time to increase Goku's power to the 3,000,000 range so why not just cheat it up by 33.33x power instead of just small increments like 1.3x. Conclusion: It is ridiculous how Akira Toriyama gave Goku a 33.33 times increase for just recovering when that is pretty close to a 50 times increase when you go super saiyan. It is ridiculous how Goku increased his power by 33.33 times recovering in rejuvination chamber when Vegeta only increased his power by 1.3 times while in a rejuvination chamber. A saiyan can keep getting badly injured and recover consistently; Vegeta went in the rejuvination chamber twice and his power increased both times by around 6000 or 1.3 times power each time. My point is Akira Toriyama is never consistent with how much stronger one can get from doing something from the DB days to the DBZ days, probably to make the story flow better. |
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| * Tyro | Nov 22 2006, 01:28 AM Post #11 |
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It is my belief that zankais get bigger as you approach the SSj level. Goku, while traveling to Namek, received many a zenkai along with his training and that let him reach the power of 90,000. That is where the quote from Vegeta comes in. He received two great zenakis. One pushing him to (by my calculations) 2,500,000. I believe here he could have reached the SSj level, but never could due to him not having a "pure heart." Which Vegeta later says was pure. "Pure rage." Which I believe became pure rage once he couldn't reach SSj. Much like the anime, but whatever. As for your conclusions, they're right. By Akira making Freeza as strong as he was he needed a way to make a 90,000 Son Goku "over 1,000,000." Hence the zenkai. That's the "out of the box" explanation. However, if you're looking for an "in the box" explanation, I believe mine works well. |
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| Params7 | Nov 23 2006, 03:31 PM Post #12 |
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Popo trained Goku for 3 yrs, in which Goku did grow stronger than Kami himself. Kami and Popo train the humans for 6 months only + 6 months training of their own and they get a god-like boost from being weaker than 23 Budokai Goku to being strong enough to kill Raditz. This is a plot-hole or PIS no matter which way you look at it. Goku's a saiyan, so that would naturally help him grasp any training much better than any human, and plus this is Goku, he would give not a 100 but a 101% to his training. The only supporting reason here is that Kami did not supervise Goku's training but did humans (for a very short time to that) but the end result being the same - Goku and the humans surpassed him. |
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| * Tyro | Nov 23 2006, 03:46 PM Post #13 |
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Actually the Saiyans arrived somewhere in the ten month period. Everyone trained at Kami-sama's for at least six months and four on Earth. Now here is something I see which doesn't explain anything at all. Why do so many people claim, because Goku is a Saiyan, he could take training better than someone. The onlything special about a Saiyan is their love toward battle, and their healing abilities which, in the end, make them stronger. Nothing stated such about then "taking to training more effectively." And read the first quote of mine where I replyed to your post. Kami-sama left the majority of Goku's training up to Mr. Popo. He had some part in it, but it's clear he never examined Goku that often. Let's not forget, Yajirobe surpassed Kami-sama in the same amount of time everyone else did. That is why it was the training they underwent that made them stronger. |
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Nov 24 2006, 05:46 AM Post #14 |
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Saiyans have an inborn sense of fighting that is almost like a sixth sense (King Kai). This must include their sense to train well that will make them better fighters. When Master Roshi trained Goku in DB, he couldn't do much math, but the fighting training he picked up like it was nothing. Master Roshi took 50 years to learn the kamehameha and Goku learned it after simply watching Master Roshi do it. A saiyan probably also has super human hormones that makes them train and fight harder (e.g. high testosterone). |
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| * Tyro | Nov 24 2006, 05:52 AM Post #15 |
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Yes, Vegeta stated they have natural fighting abilities, and Goku stated that during big battles (Vegeta, in this case), he is excited, but do these things mean they train harder? No. It's who wants it more. Son Goku: "On this planet we know that even the lowest-born can outdo the elite if they work hard enough." Kuririn also pulling it off on the spot, Yamcha mastered it in three years, Tenshinhan did it on the spot, Majin Boo did it on the spot, Chibi Boo did it on the spot... Not stated. |
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