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Abortion; A Woman's Choice or Murder
Tweet Topic Started: Jun 12 2006, 11:57 PM (785 Views)
ssjmkm	Jun 12 2006, 11:57 PM Post #1
Photoshop Noob Posts: 297 Group: Member Member #785 Joined: October 21, 2005	Another hot topic issue is Abortion. As of now the United States has it that the states determine the law for a woman's right to choose. In most other countries it is perfectly legal to get an abortion. My personal belief is that no woman should get an abortion except for rape or incest. Men have virtually no actual say in the matter. Sure discussions are done but the man can not say no and force her to not get an abortion. I dont' see why an abortion even is an issue, its Disgusting. Looking at the child as just a clump of cells is such a horrible way to look at a human life. If your not responible to take care of a child then don't have unprotected sex. if you can't control yourself then give up the child for adoption. With that they should make adoption cheaper and easier to do then what we have now. Abortion really grinds my gears because i just don't understand how a woman can be so obnoxious and say its a choice and that its their right. I'll go this much for it. Murder is a choice and you should be punished for it. If a woman was killed when she was pregnant it would be considered a double homicide. But an abortion isn't homicide. That just doesn't make sense. Any other views or opinions on this subject matter?
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Silver Raditz	Jun 13 2006, 07:54 AM Post #2
A True Saiyan Warrior Posts: 1,116 Group: Member Member #1,356 Joined: April 26, 2006 Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? MSN Explorer	This might sound cold, but do not believe life truely begins when a child takes his first breath. Or should I say our humans life begins when we take our first breath, as every experince from that point on really shapes who we are, in utura yes you become WHAT you will be but it is not the same thing. What and who. When you are born you get a name, but as far as i know still born aren't traditionally given names (in spite of the fact you may have picked one.) So no abrotion isn't murder, you're simpley ending the potentiol of life whihs is not all spakles but it is a better way to put it. So a woman can do as she pleases, if she really wants an abortion she should be able to get one, if she doen't she doesn't... Also i pose a hypthetical question: Which life is more valuible the mother's or the unborn child's, if you could one save one choose?
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Shikamaru	Jun 14 2006, 08:15 PM Post #3
"Geez...how troublesome..." Posts: 609 Group: Member Member #613 Joined: August 14, 2005	i believe it is a woman's right to choose...a foetus has no memory, no conscience yet. the woman however does. if she truely can't take care of the child, then she shouldn't have it. Adoption isn't an easy option. think of the poor kid when it finds out it was given up because its mother didn't want it. nice life. The woman will have to live with the choice of abortion her whole life, which should be a lesson enough for her to be more careful. i'm not saying that abortion should be an easy option over contraception, but accidents do happen.



ssjmkm	Jun 18 2006, 07:04 PM Post #4
Photoshop Noob Posts: 297 Group: Member Member #785 Joined: October 21, 2005	RazerTB to answer your question, i believe the childs life is more important than the mothers. That may sound harshe but isn't it a general belief that the parents would be willing to die for their child to survive. Shouldn't it be the same with this situation. I'm against abortion for a lot of reasons but what really grinds me is when some mothers look at abortion as birth control and dont' care what so ever at their actions. I think thats just plain horrible. Yes the fetus can't feel pain or remember but when was the earliest you remember feeling pain. When you were about a toddler right? I would settle on at least banning late term abortion. That is simple ludacris. Then the fetus/baby can feel pain and they do it in such a horrible way. Too put it simply, its disgusting.
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Pookie	Aug 7 2006, 03:12 AM Post #5
Pookie Powa! Posts: 18,039 Group: Princesa Pookie Member #1,340 Joined: April 21, 2006 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome and Firefox	This all comes down to religion. I ...am a girl and I really would never have an abortion, but a woman should have the the absolute right to choose if she is raped. However.. you know some men complain that they get no say in the matter, well the reason they don't is because they don't have to carry the child for nine months, as well as live with the emotional stresses. I mean it takes two to make a life, but still. Im on the fence with this, because I believe that getting pregnant is a God's gift, but at the same time if your raped, were you really ready. I don't know this is a tough topic for me. I tried lol.



Silver Raditz	Aug 7 2006, 03:19 AM Post #6
A True Saiyan Warrior Posts: 1,116 Group: Member Member #1,356 Joined: April 26, 2006 Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? MSN Explorer	ssjmkm Jun 18 2006, 07:04 PM I would settle on at least banning late term abortion. That is simple ludacris. Then the fetus/baby can feel pain and they do it in such a horrible way. Too put it simply, its disgusting. There I agree with you, after the third tirmester it should not be done (unless it's life or death)
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~~Blaze~~	Aug 10 2006, 08:25 AM Post #7
Saiyan Legend Posts: 4,247 Group: Banned Member #307 Joined: March 24, 2005	***** abortion if it wasnt for abortion I would have had a little brother or sister right now. Why abortion? Why not send the baby to an adoption home or foster home? And WHY, is is the woman's choice? Just because she gave birth doesnt mean she can have the option, the man helped create it. The man gives the child it's good traits.



Pookie	Aug 25 2006, 12:23 AM Post #8
Pookie Powa! Posts: 18,039 Group: Princesa Pookie Member #1,340 Joined: April 21, 2006 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome and Firefox	Good traits? The only thing the man decides in creating a baby, is the gender as well as half of his chromosones. Everything else is done by the woman (forming the baby, feeding the baby, nurashing the baby, carrying the baby, giving life to the baby, the list goes on and on, etc.) As far as abortion goes, I'm stuck in the middle with it. If a woman is raped why should she have to carry a baby she didn't want in the first place? A woman has to go through the emotional stress of pregnancy, for 9 months, as well as taking care of it, carrying it, then giving birth, and raising it. That is why they get more choice in the matter. Now, I'm not saying abortion should be allowed for all things. Some women need to tough it up if they get pregnant and they didn't plan it. Giving for Adoption, I mean that can really mess up a kid's head though if you think about it. That kid will probably most likely think "Why didn't my mom want me...wasn't I good enough..why was I even born" Abortion for me goes both ways, I'm against killing any life form and the way they do it is awful/cruel, but at the same time if a young girl/woman gets pregnant by being raped..why should she have to go through that emotional stress when she didn't intend it. You can't think of abortion with a narrow minded view, you have to look at all situations. I think if a woman gets pregnant by her boyfriend or her husband and she decides that she wants to abort the baby, then I think that the man should have some say in the matter. However, if it is done by a man who she doesn't know or isn't with, then he absolutely shouldn't have any say whatsoever.



ssjmkm	Aug 25 2006, 04:12 AM Post #9
Photoshop Noob Posts: 297 Group: Member Member #785 Joined: October 21, 2005	Looking at all situations ok, but about 1% of abortions are because of rape or incest. So though added up it may be a few thousand, its not the biggest percentage. If a woman gets raped, then she should go to the doctors and get that morning after pill thing. I think if you do that, its ok. But if you wait too long then your stuck with the baby. And what would prevent a woman from getting an abortion if she lies to the doctor and says she was raped? You can't agrue with her, and waiting too long isn't right either. But definetly late term abortion, theres like no excuse for that. They say if the mother's life is in danger, but how often has that happened?
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Sam	Aug 25 2006, 11:20 AM Post #10
It takes a mere second for treasure to turn to trash. Posts: 24,391 Group: Community Admin Member #415 Joined: April 21, 2005 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragonball/Z/Super, Hellsing Ultimate, Naruto/Shippuden, Death Note, Hunter x Hunter, FMA:B What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Dragonball/Z/Super, Naruto/Shippuden, One Piece, Hellsing, Death Note	It's the woman's choice. Abortion should stay perfectly legal forever. But my right or wrong? Wrong. Why kill it? You could adopt it and still easily keep in contact with the child and/or leave a note so these thoughts don't rummage in his/her head all their lives. Late term is definitely a no no. Island? Good traits? Anything nto you is wrong correct? I mean... You've descriminated on age (personal experience) You've descriminated on skin color. You've descriminated on religions. (Hm, wrong word. Like, emo or goth etc.) Now you're sexist. Anything NOT you're "perfection" isn't ok? I'm adding rules to this section.
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Kid_Buu	Sep 13 2006, 03:01 PM Post #11
KID BUU Posts: 1,441 Group: Member Member #1,316 Joined: April 10, 2006	Honestly When it is first connected to the uteran wall it starts to breathe when you think of it. It can't bereathe in water so it gets its air rom the mother so it is breatheing and anything that breathes to me and can eat and grow is a liveing thing. No matter what an abortion is wrong. It is a hommicide no matter what the circumstance. Everyone has a right to live and God made that child come into existance no matter the circumstance. If you don't want a kid don't have sex. If you were raped give it up for adoption if you don't want it. Don't take a potential life away becasue to me it seems like ppl are tryig to play god and thinking they have the right to choose who lives or dies in this world. That is also why the death penalty to me is wrong but that is another topic. That to me fits in abortion for some strange reason. It is like sentenceing the baby to death when it is not doing anything wrong but growing and being born. If that is something wrong we all are guilty and mabye we all sohuld die but it isn't. Just think if every parent never wanted to have children and you were the one to be abortioned. I am totally agianst this topic. I belive in women haveing the right tochose but not about this. This is not a human right to decide if a baby should live or die. no human being has the right.



Epsilonite	Sep 13 2006, 11:28 PM Post #12
Title Pending Posts: 362 Group: Member Member #1,665 Joined: August 27, 2006	Abortion can stay perfectly legal as long as the embryo/fetus doesn't feel any pain, or the mother's health is in jeopardy. Besides, what is the point of refusing abortion if it will just end up killing both the mother and the embryo? The thing is, people are against abortion mainly because of religious and moral beliefs. People often blindly connect it to stem cell reseach, when in fact stem cell research actually only requires stem cells for research, not the entire embryo itself. Even if stem cell research was made illegal just because people believe (ignorantly) that it will result in a mass ebryonic genocide, the research will continue in other countries, leaving the US behind in dust in medical advances. For those of you that say embryos and fetuses aren't alive: Scientific Definition of Life A Conventional Definition of Life While there is no universal agreement on the definition of life, scientists generally accept that the biological manifestation of life exhibits the following phenomena: 1. Organization - Living things are composed of one or more cells, which are the basic units of life. 2. Metabolism - Metabolism produces energy by converting nonliving material into cellular components (synthesis) and decomposing organic matter (catalysis). Living things require energy to maintain internal organization (homeostasis) and to produce the other phenomena associated with life. 3. Growth - Growth results from a higher rate of synthesis than catalysis. A growing organism increases in size in all of its parts, rather than simply accumulating matter. The particular species begins to multiply and expand as the evolution continues to flourish. 4. Adaptation - Adaptation is the accommodation of a living organism to its environment. It is fundamental to the process of evolution and is determined by the organism's heredity as well as the composition of metabolized substances, and external factors present. 5. Response to stimuli - A response can take many forms, from the contraction of a unicellular organism when touched to complex reactions involving all the senses of higher animals. A response is often expressed by motion: the leaves of a plant turning toward the sun or an animal chasing its prey. 6. Reproduction - The division of one cell to form two new cells is reproduction. Usually the term is applied to the production of a new individual (either asexually, from a single parent organism, or sexually, from at least two differing parent organisms), although strictly speaking it also describes the production of new cells in the process of growth. As you can see, this would mean that spem and egg cells are considered alive.[/color]



Kid_Buu	Sep 14 2006, 12:15 AM Post #13
KID BUU Posts: 1,441 Group: Member Member #1,316 Joined: April 10, 2006	Even though I am religious I am not only going by that because it is in the constitution that you are not aloud to commit homicide. I am mostly going on what is right nd wrong. Before anyone says or asks if I am perfect I am not and I know that. I know I am not the judge but yet I am baseing what I say here in this topic by what the law says.



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