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Iraq War
Topic Started: May 16 2006, 06:06 PM (1,548 Views)
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Yeah, I mean the enviormentalist have done some great stuff over the years but now they're going over bored. The Alaska on shore oil well in the resrve would make as much of a dent as a match book in a football feild. The Arizona one they will not allow because it would distrub wonder of the seesert, where all the patch has is rattlesnakes and helo monsters. Also off shore in California... they'd be out so far that on a clear day with 20/20 vision you MIGHT be able to see them. If we tapped on of these places we wouldn't have to relay on the Middle East as much
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Exactly we wouldn't have to depend on any other countries for Oil, and we could make a profit ourselves with the Oil reserves that we had here. Imagine if we were allowed to get that Oil? Lol gasoline prices would be down to 50 cents again like it was in the old days. I know I am exaggerating, but it wouldn't be 4$ like it is now. It's just crazy.
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That whole Bush is evil thing is stupid. All politicians are evil. Only statesmen are ok. Or in your case chichi stateswomen. And for you a woman president would be great but most of america does not believe so. Hillary is worse than Bush by far.

This is my stance on the war.

9/11 happened and it was a horrible day. Bush decided to fight terrorism so they went after Afghanistan since they caused 9/11. As the war was going on the US got enough intel that said Saddam has WMD's. (Its thanks to Clinton that the Intel was split into different groups) So Bush went to the UN and asked for help. They sent expectors and Saddam allowed them to go in places he allowed. They couldnt' do their full job and search anywhere. That should send up some Flags right there. So what were supposed to do since Saddam refused to let them in, just wait till Afghanistan was done. What kind of message would that be?

So the US went in and kicked some butt and found Saddam who was a horrible horrible man who himself could have been considered a WMD. Since Bush tried getting the UN to help us go into Iraq they had time to move what WMD's they had else where so we found none. It is not the case that Bush went in just because and used WMD's as an excuse.

Don't forget the Senate had the same intel and voted for it so its not just Bush's fault.

Yes Oil is expensive but thats not Bush's fault either. He can't control that companies prices sadly. Thats why Bush is trying to push for alternatives for cars to use new energy we can use instead of Oil.

ANd that dock thing was blown way out of proportion. It was not like they would control the company and replace everyone and allow secret vessels in. They just changed ownership, which for business meant new owner thats it. It was a business deal only.

Bush is not an idiot, he's just a horrible public speaker. Impeaching Bush would mean Dick Cheney as Prez. Who wants that?
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May 24 2006, 01:04 AM
Bush is not an idiot, he's just a horrible public speaker. Impeaching Bush would mean Dick Cheney as Prez. Who wants that?

Yeah that always makes me giggle "impeach Bush" because Cheney would take over.

You also make a very good point (but I didn't want to quote the whole thing :) ). The sad thing is the there are two groups blaming each other for this debackle, the truth is so shrouded in the lies that we probably woun't ever know the fulll extent of the truth or what was the real reason for this mess.
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May 16 2006, 04:06 PM
Bush, I 100% dislike the man. First of all he doesn't want women fighting on the first line of defense which is stupid. I mean if a woman wants to serve her country and fight LET HER. It's like he is saying a man's life is more important that a woman's. That's not the only problem. The gas problems are over the roof! All of the Middle East has always had many problems.

They finally got rights for women over there, which I am totally rooting for, but U.S.A can't fix all their problems. The middle east is taking advantage of the U.S with the oil prices, it's ridiculous. Iraq is getting a stable democratic system, so it's about time U.S got out of there and let them start doing things on their own. As for Iran and North Korea, yeah they are our biggest threats as of now. Iran is already threatening to take out Isreal, which is one of our allies. Isreal is where all the jews are if you are wondering, and well we are friends with the Jews so...if Iran attacks Isreal, well I guess the U.S is going to have to go in there. George Bush needs to go. We need a woman president. A woman wouldn't make it worse then men have. Go Hilary Clinton!

I understand that you're a lady. But you have to understand that men are the stronger, more dominant species. It is traditional for man to be the protector.

Mage, I disagree with you. The United States of America is a different country. It is not their decision to go in to another country and take out a leader. They did not find Weapons of Mass Destruction. Bush messed up, he just is not man enough to admit it. People have pride, I have a great ego. But I am man enough to admit when I'm wrong.
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May 30 2006, 09:38 PM
I understand that you're a lady. But you have to understand that men are the stronger, more dominant species. It is traditional for man to be the protector.

Since when have men and women been of differant species? We're both Homo Sapiens (Sapiens). However I don't want to pick on you for that. However you're only half right, sure men have a higher potenteil for strength, becomeing physically strong comes easier for men than for women. This does NOT mean women can not be as strong as men, they just have to try harder. Much in the same way men can not split their focus as easily as women howver they can if they try hard enough...

So I know this may sound like a odd postion to stand on after what I just said but I do NOT want this debate to devole into a men vs women/sexisism/ whatever debate
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Do you have no brains, or are you just not old enough to know about the male hormone, testosterone? I'm not even going to explain to someone on a godamn website what testosterone is. And even though everybody knows men and women aren't two different species, after all we all are Sapiens. But a lot of people consider male and female different species, not scientifically, of course. Anyways, men have been the protector from the dawn of mankind. Why change? A woman in charge of the U.S. government means the downfall of this country. Look at the country I come from, Bangladesh. The Prime Minister is a lady. She has not improved the country one bit.
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Well Ahmed, I understand your point of veiw. I aslo understand that there really is no point in contunieing our debate within this debate. So I will lay this down so we can get to the topic at hand, the Iraq War.
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They aren't solving any problems in Iraq, the only thing they are doing now is getting soldiers killed for no good reason, I mean what the *****. Iraq is a terrible place to live in at the moment from the sounds of what is going on but our troops aren't doing any good. I would just pull them out now and let them kill each other to be honest.
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I've been against the war since day one. It seems as if Bush changes the reasoning backing his decision to invade Iraq. First it was because he had suspicions of WMD's, then it was because they were harboring terrorists, then it was to liberate the Iraqi citizens, and now it's the front line on the war on terrorism.

The fact is that more Iraqi citizens are dying now than when Sadam was in power. Then you have Dick Cheney who is profiting off the war, making more money than you could imagine.

We're in this war for all the wrong reasons, and it's sad. It's our generations Vietnam. Sure it's not as bad yet, but the more we occupy the country the worse it gets.
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I'm in favor of just letting our troops come home. I mean he got saddama nd its obvious we aren't gonna find any nukes. Hell.. I debate if there really is any and the entire war was simply over oil.

There.. said my piece >.>
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I say keep troops in, If we back down now then we lost!.
TBH wars dont bother me, earth has had millions of wars and it will never stop. theres no point in trying to argue the point.

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I say keep troops in, If we back down now then we lost!.
TBH wars dont bother me, earth has had millions of wars and it will never stop. theres no point in trying to argue the point.

England has troops in Iraq also?

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Well through out this topic i've seem manly negative things about the war. I believe it has some upsides. The US is now safer from terrorist attacks(i'm not saying they can't happen). We've(the US) have stopped quite a few terrorist attacks, saving lives.
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